Metal Gear Solid (1987 - present)

Agent007391

I think Big Boss's and Solid Snake's stories are done. I'd like a game based around The Boss, but that seems less likely than the other two. No, if MGS5 isn't a Raiden-based game (like Rising), then maybe we'll see the rise of a new character, in the time after MGS4, where the world is different.

WillardWhyte

I can envision a game about The Boss, who takes on a new Mentor (snake), and maybe the duo goes on some missions, and we can see how much Snake really admired her back then and how the two worked so well together.

Ahh one can only hope for such a game.

Agent007391

The Boss would be the mentor, by the way. She'd be taking on a disciple. And maybe that would work, but I can never truly envision games in this series, simply because anything I try to envision is based on pre-existing characters, and events mentioned in the games. Like maybe Rising with have a section where Raiden saves Sunny from the Patriots facility she was held in (I read somewhere that it was Area 51... not sure about that one), but I can't envision it outside of what it would look like as a cutscene.

WillardWhyte

yeah sorry mis typed it.

Agent007391

mistyped what? I didn't see anything you mistyped.

WillardWhyte

about the mentor, I know Snake was her apprentice. I think I was just so caught up in the whole thing that I typed it wrong.

Agent007391

Oh. Most recent thing you did in Peace Walker?

WillardWhyte

Yeah, I was listening to those t apes of from EVA, and the tapes regarding The Boss. I take breaks and defeat one of the boss battles get some extra switchboards now and then.

Agent007391

Have you finished off Peace Walker Battle 3 yet?

WillardWhyte

no, I still need computer components and the top half of ZEKE. I wonder if there is a quicker way to build this thing.

Agent007391

Did you get Chrysalis' railgun and radome? Those are needed as well.

WillardWhyte

Yeah I got those

Agent007391

Well how many memory boards do you still need? Have you been in the ZEKE construction menu?

WillardWhyte

seems like there are alot of empty spots that still need to be filled. Man, I have replayed the pupa/chrysilis battles like 5 times each but still don't have enough memory. I am gaining body parts though. Still need the head but have 3/5 though.

Agent007391

Have you worked on Cocoon any? That fight is probably easier than both. There's one spot up by a building that you can use for cover at any point in the fight.

WillardWhyte

I will give it a try.

Agent007391

It helps. You should get as many memory boards as possible. Also, go the ZEKE construction menu to put the parts on ZEKE.

Agent007391

Okay, who else just saw the greatly impressive Metal Gear Rising (note: no Solid this time) trailer on the Spike VGAs? I previously had no faith in either this game or Ninja Raiden's ability to be a good protagonist, and now I retract both. I haven't been this excited since I saw the first Peace Walker trailer over two years ago.

shadowonthesun

Doesn't look like a METAL GEAR game at all. The emphasis on the games has always been stealth. RISING looks like it's all about hacking people to pieces.

Agent007391

Yeah, but how does a cyborg ninja sneak around anyway? His damn gears would be making noise behind every corner. This is also in keeping with his portrayal in MGS4, where he hacks Gekko's to pieces (an action he repeats in the trailer).

shadowonthesun

Yes, but it changes the core gameplay mechanic. The appeal of METAL GEAR SOLID lies in using stealth to infiltrate the enemy stronghold. Sure, you can run-and-gun your way through the entire game, but it is so much more satisfying to sneak in without alerting a single guard. RISING REVENGEANCE (stupid name, by the way) forsakes that in the name of hack-and-slash gameplay that I would expect to find in something like DEVIL MAY CRY. It might be consistent with the tone of the character, but it's a radical departure from the series, and I cannot help but think that RISING REVENGEANCE will ultimately prove to be a wholly unnecessary and entirely indulgent game.

Also, I disagree with the notion that Raiden could pick up a RAY and throw it into the air with such ease - especially considering that Gray Fox was squished by REX in the first game in the SOLID series.

WillardWhyte

I love the tag line of the trailer Return of the Ripper....haha Jack The Ripper


Well if you notice the title has no Solid in it, so I take it that meaning of this game will be completely different than the others, hence the no stealth and infiltration aspect. As Solid should only refer to the characters of Snake (Solid) or Naked Snake (Big Boss).

Raiden's suit is completely different than Gray Fox's suit from way back. That's not to say he could pick up a Ray but still, the characters and suits are completely different and so are the characteristics.

I was always under the assumption that this game would shed some light on how Raiden became this ninja and maybe how he rescued Sunny, and met up with Big Mama (EVA). But judging from the trailer, I can't confirm any of that.

Oh yeah the graphics are stunning, so that's a plus, but the new GTA game looks good too but that's not saying much. Only time will tell if either game is worth it.

0BradyM0Bondfanatic7

shadowonthesun wrote:

Doesn't look like a METAL GEAR game at all. The emphasis on the games has always been stealth. RISING looks like it's all about hacking people to pieces.

I completely agree @shadowonthesun. As I sat there and watched I though what the heck is this?! It was too amped up and instead of teasing poured a drink on our slaps and ruined our nice dress shirt with the splatter. It didn't look like a Metal Gear game AT ALL. Just another game, nothing special.

Agent007391

WillardWhyte wrote:

As Solid should only refer to the characters of Snake (Solid) or Naked Snake (Big Boss).

"Solid" In Metal Gear Solid meant more than one thing: One, Solid Snake; Two, the game was in 3D instead of 2D.

Also, I disagree with the notion that it doesn't look like a Metal Gear game. The look of the series is as much in the world of the series as the gameplay, and this has the world of Metal Gear splashed all over it. From the PMCs to the Gekkos to the RAY itself (though why it had a giant sword, I'll never understand even when I pick the game up and play it)

I do agree that "Revengance" is stupid, but thankfully that's just the tag like "Tactical Espionage Action", and it sounds way better than "Lightning Bolt Action".

thelivingroyale

WillardWhyte wrote:

Gotcha, I have actually been playing Left For Dead 2, lol

love that game, whats better than running around killing zombies :)

thelivingroyale

I've never played the metal gear games but everybody tells me how cinematic and good they are so I might get a copy of the latest one if I have enough cash

Agent007391

thelivingroyale wrote:

WillardWhyte wrote:

Gotcha, I have actually been playing Left For Dead 2, lol

love that game, whats better than running around killing zombies :)

Running around and killing zombies with hundreds of different weapons, including ones that you combine out of two other weapons.

Oh yeah, Dead Rising 2.

Agent007391

Say, back on the subject of Metal Gear, anybody with access to all of the canon games, have you ever played them in chronological order? I've done this once or twice, and am about to do it again, and was just wondering if I'm alone, here.

doubleoego

I did it but these days I tend not bother with peace walker, PO and MGS4. MGS3, MGS1 and MGS2 does the job for me.

Agent007391

What's wrong with Peace Walker, MPO and MGS4? Or, for that matter, MG1 & 2? (Just asking, because you didn't mention those two.)