Quantum of Solace Appreciation Thread- We Found a Better Place to Meet

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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    chrisisall wrote:
    The best thing about Quantum of Solace is Daniel Craig.

    His tireless efforts during this film's shoot were nothing less than amazing.

    Yes, and on EVERY level.


  • The final two scenes redeem the entire film. Watch it again.[/quote]

    EXACTLY! The music and setting blended really well. It felt like we were waiting with Bond for Yusef. Even the closeup to the door was cool. Tension builds SIT DOWN!!!
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Quantum07 wrote:
    I really enjoy QoS, and it's in my top 10 but I do think that QoS is Craig's weakest. The only thing it has better than SF IMO is the bond girls. I LOVE both Camille and Fields. SF was lacking in the bond girl department.
    It's hard for me to count M or Moneypenny as bond girls
    How about the lovely Severine? Not your cup of tea?
    The final two scenes redeem the entire film. Watch it again.

    EXACTLY! The music and setting blended really well. It felt like we were waiting with Bond for Yusef. Even the closeup to the door was cool. Tension builds SIT DOWN!!!
    I love these scenes where Bond's sitting in a dim-lit room waiting for someone to arrive. My mind goes right back to that scene in DN where Bond plugs Professor Dent.
  • Yes. It also exemplifies DC's creepiness factor whereas his Bond is a flawed assassin and dangerous. SF and CR had such scenes. So if PB's got the pain face, RM's got the cocked brows, DC has this acting ability and dark room ambushes.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Yeah, that scene at the end of QoS is a little throwback to CR. The difference is that in CR he leaves with blood on his hands, while at the end of QoS he exits without more deaths on his conscience and a full circle maturation to the agent 007 we all know and love.
  • I think he threw Vesper's necklace into the snow not just to show M that he ia genuinely moving on from V but that it also represented Yusef which to him is rather sickening. The whole scene in the cold snow with M was symbolic of the cold world and that Bond only had his boss, his confidante to obey, no more angst.
  • Yeah, that scene at the end of QoS is a little throwback to CR. The difference is that in CR he leaves with blood on his hands, while at the end of QoS he exits without more deaths on his conscience and a full circle maturation to the agent 007 we all know and love.

    This is obviously shown with the surprise that M and many viewers will find when Bond doesn't kill Yusef. Do you ever wonder what Yusef is doing right now?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Yeah, that scene at the end of QoS is a little throwback to CR. The difference is that in CR he leaves with blood on his hands, while at the end of QoS he exits without more deaths on his conscience and a full circle maturation to the agent 007 we all know and love.

    This is obviously shown with the surprise that M and many viewers will find when Bond doesn't kill Yusef. Do you ever wonder what Yusef is doing right now?

    He is in police custody, ratting out agents, likely.
  • Yeah, that scene at the end of QoS is a little throwback to CR. The difference is that in CR he leaves with blood on his hands, while at the end of QoS he exits without more deaths on his conscience and a full circle maturation to the agent 007 we all know and love.

    This is obviously shown with the surprise that M and many viewers will find when Bond doesn't kill Yusef. Do you ever wonder what Yusef is doing right now?

    He is in police custody, ratting out agents, likely.

    I mean afterwards...like during the events of SF. Hope he's not at the beach like Bond.
  • RC7RC7
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    Do you ever wonder what Yusef is doing right now?

    6 feet under.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    RC7 wrote:
    Do you ever wonder what Yusef is doing right now?

    6 feet under.

    Yeah, I actually agree with this. If he ratted out some of Quantum (who knows, he may have) then he would make their hitlist. As soon as he got out of custody he would be killed (you saw what they did to Greene).

    I would love to see him back in Bond 24 or 25, though. Maybe Bond needs leads on Quantum only he can give and they have to work together for once. Think about Bond being forced to rely on the man who led to the woman he loved being mixed up in the mess that led to her suicide?
  • RC7 wrote:
    Do you ever wonder what Yusef is doing right now?

    6 feet under.

    Yeah, I actually agree with this. If he ratted out some of Quantum (who knows, he may have) then he would make their hitlist. As soon as he got out of custody he would be killed (you saw what they did to Greene).

    I would love to see him back in Bond 24 or 25, though. MaybOooooh e Bond needs leads on Quantum only he can give and they have to work together for once. Think about Bond being forced to rely on the man who led to the woman he loved being mixed up in the mess that led to her suicide?

    Oh boy! Imagine the tension and inner turmoil from this situation alone! I'm sure John Logan, and Daniel Craig can master this and make an oscar out of such a film!
  • edited January 2013 Posts: 1,310
    RC7 wrote:
    Do you ever wonder what Yusef is doing right now?

    6 feet under.

    Yeah, I actually agree with this. If he ratted out some of Quantum (who knows, he may have) then he would make their hitlist. As soon as he got out of custody he would be killed (you saw what they did to Greene).

    I would love to see him back in Bond 24 or 25, though. Maybe Bond needs leads on Quantum only he can give and they have to work together for once. Think about Bond being forced to rely on the man who led to the woman he loved being mixed up in the mess that led to her suicide?
    As much as I don't want the Vesper storyline (or any major mentions of it) to come back, I admit that this idea is a very interesting one.
  • I loved Quantum of Solace! I loved how we got to see Bond show emotion, and see him mourn over the loss of someone he truly loved. I loved Vesper, so seeing the character's death in Casino Royale killed me, but I love how in Quantum, Bond was determined to get revenge on the people who basically got her killed. Honestly, I don't know how this movie receives so much hate! <3
  • This is a real script idea that could work. Where's Logan?
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I loved Quantum of Solace! I loved how we got to see Bond show emotion, and see him mourn over the loss of someone he truly loved. I loved Vesper, so seeing the character's death in Casino Royale killed me, but I love how in Quantum, Bond was determined to get revenge on the people who basically got her killed. Honestly, I don't know how this movie receives so much hate! <3

    He's not out for revenge ("I never left"). He's out to figure out if Vesper betrayed him. Camille is the one out for revenge.

    For a vengeful Bond, see LTK.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    echo wrote:
    I loved Quantum of Solace! I loved how we got to see Bond show emotion, and see him mourn over the loss of someone he truly loved. I loved Vesper, so seeing the character's death in Casino Royale killed me, but I love how in Quantum, Bond was determined to get revenge on the people who basically got her killed. Honestly, I don't know how this movie receives so much hate! <3

    He's not out for revenge ("I never left"). He's out to figure out if Vesper betrayed him. Camille is the one out for revenge.

    For a vengeful Bond, see LTK.

    Yeah, the point of the film was that M and everyone in the British government assumed Bond had snapped, while all the time he did everything for Queen and country in service of his mission. He still felt hurt from Vesper, but that pain never made him do something he would regret or would shame or betray his country the entire film. And then at the end he has an enlightening moment: "I don't think the dead care about vengeance."

    Bond knows Vesper wouldn't want him to risk his life or position by killing for her (as a form of revenge), and so he spares Yusef, now with the knowledge that the death of a hundred men, a thousand men, could never bring Vesper back to him. Bond's maturity has grown so very much since the rookie he was in CR, and it is truly a marvel to see. This same progression continues into Skyfall, where he is even more competent, brave, sacrificing and loyal. A very poetic Bond film, QoS, and one of the biggest reasons why I love it so much.
  • Absolutely, and as I think many of us can agree and as I have said many times before, this maturity should not be taken into OTTness or creating volcano lairs to get down to business with Quantum or any other villain.

  • I love QOS. the problem for me is still wanting to know how he flipped that boat
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    I love QoS. I love the South American locatons and that gorgeous art direction. In the city its all blacks and whites - in the desert its all browns and yellows.

    A much underrated film.
  • SJK91 wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    Do you ever wonder what Yusef is doing right now?

    6 feet under.

    Yeah, I actually agree with this. If he ratted out some of Quantum (who knows, he may have) then he would make their hitlist. As soon as he got out of custody he would be killed (you saw what they did to Greene).

    I would love to see him back in Bond 24 or 25, though. Maybe Bond needs leads on Quantum only he can give and they have to work together for once. Think about Bond being forced to rely on the man who led to the woman he loved being mixed up in the mess that led to her suicide?
    As much as I don't want the Vesper storyline (or any major mentions of it) to come back, I admit that this idea is a very interesting one.

    I too think that this could work, but it doesn't have to be a large part of a film. I'd love to see a single, short scene where Bond visits Yusef in prison to ask him a couple of questions. Perhaps we see the toll that this has taken on Yusef. Perhaps he's missing a hand or has been blinded in an "accident" in the prison that was arranged by other prisoners inside who have ties to Quantum. This would be a great way of showing very quickly that he has been living through years of hell because of his choices in life, and lives every moment of every day in terror of what will happen to him next. Especially if he has an injury or disability (especially blindness) that renders him unable to defend himself properly. So he knows that it's just a matter of time before something even worse happens to him - so as a desperate Hail Mary so starts giving up even more information to MI6.

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    They could also reuse Yusef this way: They release him (in a fake escape?) so Quantum can get to him, thus revealing themselves.

    But that is another topic.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    I love QOS. the problem for me is still wanting to know how he flipped that boat
    Exactly. I asked this once before, and got no reply. Can anyone clarify?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    QBranch wrote:
    I love QOS. the problem for me is still wanting to know how he flipped that boat
    Exactly. I asked this once before, and got no reply. Can anyone clarify?

    From what I recall (it bemuses me too at times), Camille has just been hit by the enemy boat coming over the back end of the boat Bond is using to escape. Bond is almost hit too, and the enemy boat is literally almost completely on top of theirs. Bond takes an anchor in the boat, puts it in the enemy boat, and the rope attached to the anchor tightens up either from the enemy boat pulling back or Bond tugging it, and the anchor pops the boat the enemies are in, sending it flying. That's what I make of it. You can view the moment here starting at 2:09 on YouTube:


    The whole film is actually on there if you are so inclined to watch it again, though it is a low definition picture quality with a small viewing screen.
  • SJK91 wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    Do you ever wonder what Yusef is doing right now?

    6 feet under.

    Yeah, I actually agree with this. If he ratted out some of Quantum (who knows, he may have) then he would make their hitlist. As soon as he got out of custody he would be killed (you saw what they did to Greene).

    I would love to see him back in Bond 24 or 25, though. Maybe Bond needs leads on Quantum only he can give and they have to work together for once. Think about Bond being forced to rely on the man who led to the woman he loved being mixed up in the mess that led to her suicide?
    As much as I don't want the Vesper storyline (or any major mentions of it) to come back, I admit that this idea is a very interesting one.

    I too think that this could work, but it doesn't have to be a large part of a film. I'd love to see a single, short scene where Bond visits Yusef in prison to ask him a couple of questions. Perhaps we see the toll that this has taken on Yusef. Perhaps he's missing a hand or has been blinded in an "accident" in the prison that was arranged by other prisoners inside who have ties to Quantum. This would be a great way of showing very quickly that he has been living through years of hell because of his choices in life, and lives every moment of every day in terror of what will happen to him next. Especially if he has an injury or disability (especially blindness) that renders him unable to defend himself properly. So he knows that it's just a matter of time before something even worse happens to him - so as a desperate Hail Mary so starts giving up even more information to MI6.

    This could work. Imagine the buildup with the music to sum up how Bond feels with internal turmoil and a cold demeanor to act detached.
  • QBranch wrote:
    I love QOS. the problem for me is still wanting to know how he flipped that boat
    Exactly. I asked this once before, and got no reply. Can anyone clarify?

    From what I recall (it bemuses me too at times), Camille has just been hit by the enemy boat coming over the back end of the boat Bond is using to escape. Bond is almost hit too, and the enemy boat is literally almost completely on top of theirs. Bond takes an anchor in the boat, puts it in the enemy boat, and the rope attached to the anchor tightens up either from the enemy boat pulling back or Bond tugging it, and the anchor pops the boat the enemies are in, sending it flying. That's what I make of it.

    Agreed. The enemy boat is stuck on top of Bond's for a moment, and he puts the grappling hook in theirs. As the enemy boat slips off, the rope tightens. As the enemy boat is a light inflatable boat it gets flipped by the force while Bond's heavy boat remains stable. You never see the rope break (from what I recall) but I assume that it does due to the stress of the boat flipping.

    The boat chase was the most over-edited of all the scenes in QoS IMHO. It's a shame because there are some great shots and moments, they just get lost in the Cuisinart editing. For all the praise that the cinematography in SF is getting I think that QoS has some of the series' most beautiful shots and composition as well.
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    QBranch wrote:
    How about the lovely Severine? Not your cup of tea?

    I LOVED Severine too... All 10 minutes of screen time she had.
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    The boat chase was the most over-edited of all the scenes in QoS IMHO. It's a shame because there are some great shots and moments, they just get lost in the Cuisinart editing. For all the praise that the cinematography in SF is getting I think that QoS has some of the series' most beautiful shots and composition as well.

    From what I have read the carchase at the beginning did involve a third car which was edited out to create the feeling a speed. So over-edited could apply here as well.

    Still most action sequences seem to be copied from The Bourne supremacy and lack the urgency and editing skills applied to that movie.

  • Quantum07 wrote:
    QBranch wrote:
    How about the lovely Severine? Not your cup of tea?

    I LOVED Severine too... All 10 minutes of screen time she had.

    Too me this was a good thing - it made her death all the more shocking and unexpected. Would I love for her to be in the film more? Yes. But it's even better to be watching something as formulaic as a Bond film and actually be surprised.
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    Quantum07 wrote:
    QBranch wrote:
    How about the lovely Severine? Not your cup of tea?

    I LOVED Severine too... All 10 minutes of screen time she had.

    Too me this was a good thing - it made her death all the more shocking and unexpected. Would I love for her to be in the film more? Yes. But it's even better to be watching something as formulaic as a Bond film and actually be surprised.

    I agree. I think Severine made quite an impact in her brief appearance, but I feel like overall, QoS was stronger in the Bond Girls department
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