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  • RC7RC7
    edited January 2016 Posts: 10,512
    I'm one of the minority who likes the ending, for several reasons. I like the fact it subverts expectations to have the villain's base destroyed with relative ease. I also like the visuals back in London, the vacant MI6, Bond atop the ledge outside M's office, the cross-cutting between MI6 and the CNS, even the score is better here and the little reference to the DAF novel with Bond shooting down the helicopter is cute. I even like the gallery scene, as Bond stalks his way through the old MI6. Yeah, it's a tad hokey, but I've always liked that in my Bond films and it is particularly bizarre, unsettling and otherworldly. There's a nightmarish aesthetic throughout this whole denouement. It's all pretty unique and sticks in my mind. For those reasons I'm not convinced I'd have preferred the route one notion of padding out the lair scenes, building to a large scale firefight, which we've seen plenty of times before.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    edited January 2016 Posts: 4,116
    RC7 wrote: »
    I'm one of the minority who likes the ending, for several reasons. I like the fact it subverts expectations to have the villain's base destroyed with relative ease. I also like the visuals back in London, the vacant MI6, Bond atop the ledge outside M's office, the cross-cutting between MI6 and the CNS, even the score is better here and the little reference to the DAF novel with Bond shooting down the helicopter is cute. I even like the gallery scene, as Bond stalks his way through the old MI6. Yeah, it's a tad hokey, but I've always liked that in my Bond films and it is particularly bizarre, unsettling and otherworldly. There's a nightmarish aesthetic throughout this whole denouement. It's all pretty unique and sticks in my mind. For those reasons I'm not convinced I'd have preferred the route one notion of padding out the lair scenes, building to a large scale firefight, which we've seen plenty of times before.

    I agree. Maybe could have done more with the helicopter boat sequence.. but IMO the London climax felt fresh not necessarily a rehash of old.

    Now the whole driving off into the sunset with Madeleine was puzzling to me. The great albatross for B25.
  • tanaka123tanaka123
    Posts: 4,325
    Spectre is a good Bond film.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,403
    Perhaps I wasn't keen on Bond being captured, masked and then escaping and ripping off the mask. Seems like it was almost taken out of the RN ending.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    Perhaps I wasn't keen on Bond being captured, masked and then escaping and ripping off the mask. Seems like it was almost taken out of the RN ending.
    Same. It just... didn't sit well with me and was felt forced.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,588
    RC7 wrote: »
    I'm one of the minority who likes the ending, for several reasons. I like the fact it subverts expectations to have the villain's base destroyed with relative ease. I also like the visuals back in London, the vacant MI6, Bond atop the ledge outside M's office, the cross-cutting between MI6 and the CNS, even the score is better here and the little reference to the DAF novel with Bond shooting down the helicopter is cute. I even like the gallery scene, as Bond stalks his way through the old MI6. Yeah, it's a tad hokey, but I've always liked that in my Bond films and it is particularly bizarre, unsettling and otherworldly. There's a nightmarish aesthetic throughout this whole denouement. It's all pretty unique and sticks in my mind. For those reasons I'm not convinced I'd have preferred the route one notion of padding out the lair scenes, building to a large scale firefight, which we've seen plenty of times before.
    I love the ending as well.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    Perhaps I wasn't keen on Bond being captured, masked and then escaping and ripping off the mask. Seems like it was almost taken out of the RN ending.

    Ok I see that and yea both films even almost looked the same at the ending. But I can't fault SP since both films were in production at almost the same time or at least close enough in time.

    I enjoyed RN but sometimes I wish I had seen SP first. That's not a jab at SP by the way.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,403
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    Perhaps I wasn't keen on Bond being captured, masked and then escaping and ripping off the mask. Seems like it was almost taken out of the RN ending.

    Ok I see that and yea both films even almost looked the same at the ending. But I can't fault SP since both films were in production at almost the same time or at least close enough in time.

    I enjoyed RN but sometimes I wish I had seen SP first. That's not a jab at SP by the way.

    Oh of course. Remember RN got pushed ahead to summer. Otherwise, would we be asking the question did RN copy SP instead of the other way around. The whole being captured part just didn't fit in a Bond film. Not to mention it only lasted what like two minutes? Definitely something that probably could have been eliminated.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    RN as in Rogue Nation?

    Took me sometime to figure out.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    Perhaps I wasn't keen on Bond being captured, masked and then escaping and ripping off the mask. Seems like it was almost taken out of the RN ending.

    Ok I see that and yea both films even almost looked the same at the ending. But I can't fault SP since both films were in production at almost the same time or at least close enough in time.

    I enjoyed RN but sometimes I wish I had seen SP first. That's not a jab at SP by the way.

    Oh of course. Remember RN got pushed ahead to summer. Otherwise, would we be asking the question did RN copy SP instead of the other way around. The whole being captured part just didn't fit in a Bond film. Not to mention it only lasted what like two minutes? Definitely something that probably could have been eliminated.

    So you're not a fan of the laser table scene in GF then?
  • tanaka123tanaka123
    Posts: 4,325
    Sorry my memory must be eluding me, I've only seen Spectre once. When/how did Bond get masked and rip it off?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Sorry my memory must be eluding me, I've only seen Spectre once. When/how did Bond get masked and rip it off?
    The vehicle Bond and M were in was hit by a Spectre henchman truck when they were on their way to apprehend Denbigh. The goons capture Bond but M slips away. They bring 007 in front of the old MI-6 building with the intention of escorting him inside, and suddenly Bond breaks free, disables them and unmasks himself, as well as breaking the plastic ties attached to his wrists.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    RN as in Rogue Nation?

    Took me sometime to figure out.

    Yes :) ..for the longest I thought everyone was comparing Bond to a nurse.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,403
    RC7 wrote: »
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    Perhaps I wasn't keen on Bond being captured, masked and then escaping and ripping off the mask. Seems like it was almost taken out of the RN ending.

    Ok I see that and yea both films even almost looked the same at the ending. But I can't fault SP since both films were in production at almost the same time or at least close enough in time.

    I enjoyed RN but sometimes I wish I had seen SP first. That's not a jab at SP by the way.

    Oh of course. Remember RN got pushed ahead to summer. Otherwise, would we be asking the question did RN copy SP instead of the other way around. The whole being captured part just didn't fit in a Bond film. Not to mention it only lasted what like two minutes? Definitely something that probably could have been eliminated.

    So you're not a fan of the laser table scene in GF then?

    I absolutely love the GF scene. However, the scene in SP wasn't as tense as almost having your nuts zapped to shreds. Perhaps I should re-judge that sequence once home video is released.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    RN as in Rogue Nation?

    Took me sometime to figure out.

    Yes :) ..for the longest I thought everyone was comparing Bond to a nurse.
    =))

    Baffled me too by that!
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Sorry my memory must be eluding me, I've only seen Spectre once. When/how did Bond get masked and rip it off?
    The vehicle Bond and M were in was hit by a Spectre henchman truck when they were on their way to apprehend Denbigh. The goons capture Bond but M slips away. They bring 007 in front of the old MI-6 building with the intention of escorting him inside, and suddenly Bond breaks free, disables them and unmasks himself, as well as breaking the plastic ties attached to his wrists.

    Yes it's one of the cooler moves on the part of Bond. I personally am glad it's there.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,403
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Sorry my memory must be eluding me, I've only seen Spectre once. When/how did Bond get masked and rip it off?

    Bond is in a car with Tanner, Q and M if I remember. They are blindsided by SP goons, Bond is captured, masked and thrown into the back of a van. Then they get out of the van and Bond disables the goons, breaks free of the zip ties, removes the masks. Then I believe he looks up at the old MI6 building.

    Anyone feel free to correct me if im wrong.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    Perhaps I wasn't keen on Bond being captured, masked and then escaping and ripping off the mask. Seems like it was almost taken out of the RN ending.

    Ok I see that and yea both films even almost looked the same at the ending. But I can't fault SP since both films were in production at almost the same time or at least close enough in time.

    I enjoyed RN but sometimes I wish I had seen SP first. That's not a jab at SP by the way.

    Oh of course. Remember RN got pushed ahead to summer. Otherwise, would we be asking the question did RN copy SP instead of the other way around. The whole being captured part just didn't fit in a Bond film. Not to mention it only lasted what like two minutes? Definitely something that probably could have been eliminated.

    So you're not a fan of the laser table scene in GF then?

    I absolutely love the GF scene. However, the scene in SP wasn't as tense as almost having your nuts zapped to shreds. Perhaps I should re-judge that sequence once home video is released.

    I was just addressing the comment you made about "The whole being captured part just didn't fit in a Bond film". His capture is not disimilar to the GF scene with the goons running him off the road.
  • tanaka123tanaka123
    Posts: 4,325
    RC7 wrote: »
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    Perhaps I wasn't keen on Bond being captured, masked and then escaping and ripping off the mask. Seems like it was almost taken out of the RN ending.

    Ok I see that and yea both films even almost looked the same at the ending. But I can't fault SP since both films were in production at almost the same time or at least close enough in time.

    I enjoyed RN but sometimes I wish I had seen SP first. That's not a jab at SP by the way.

    Oh of course. Remember RN got pushed ahead to summer. Otherwise, would we be asking the question did RN copy SP instead of the other way around. The whole being captured part just didn't fit in a Bond film. Not to mention it only lasted what like two minutes? Definitely something that probably could have been eliminated.

    So you're not a fan of the laser table scene in GF then?

    I absolutely love the GF scene. However, the scene in SP wasn't as tense as almost having your nuts zapped to shreds. Perhaps I should re-judge that sequence once home video is released.

    I was just addressing the comment you made about "The whole being captured part just didn't fit in a Bond film". His capture is not disimilar to the GF scene with the goons running him off the road.

    He also gets captured in Casino Royale, both book and film.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,403
    RC7 wrote: »
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    Perhaps I wasn't keen on Bond being captured, masked and then escaping and ripping off the mask. Seems like it was almost taken out of the RN ending.

    Ok I see that and yea both films even almost looked the same at the ending. But I can't fault SP since both films were in production at almost the same time or at least close enough in time.

    I enjoyed RN but sometimes I wish I had seen SP first. That's not a jab at SP by the way.

    Oh of course. Remember RN got pushed ahead to summer. Otherwise, would we be asking the question did RN copy SP instead of the other way around. The whole being captured part just didn't fit in a Bond film. Not to mention it only lasted what like two minutes? Definitely something that probably could have been eliminated.

    So you're not a fan of the laser table scene in GF then?

    I absolutely love the GF scene. However, the scene in SP wasn't as tense as almost having your nuts zapped to shreds. Perhaps I should re-judge that sequence once home video is released.

    I was just addressing the comment you made about "The whole being captured part just didn't fit in a Bond film". His capture is not disimilar to the GF scene with the goons running him off the road.

    Yeah I probably should have rephrased that because he seems like he is captured in most of the films.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    Perhaps I wasn't keen on Bond being captured, masked and then escaping and ripping off the mask. Seems like it was almost taken out of the RN ending.

    Ok I see that and yea both films even almost looked the same at the ending. But I can't fault SP since both films were in production at almost the same time or at least close enough in time.

    I enjoyed RN but sometimes I wish I had seen SP first. That's not a jab at SP by the way.

    Oh of course. Remember RN got pushed ahead to summer. Otherwise, would we be asking the question did RN copy SP instead of the other way around. The whole being captured part just didn't fit in a Bond film. Not to mention it only lasted what like two minutes? Definitely something that probably could have been eliminated.

    So you're not a fan of the laser table scene in GF then?

    I absolutely love the GF scene. However, the scene in SP wasn't as tense as almost having your nuts zapped to shreds. Perhaps I should re-judge that sequence once home video is released.

    I was just addressing the comment you made about "The whole being captured part just didn't fit in a Bond film". His capture is not disimilar to the GF scene with the goons running him off the road.

    He also gets captured in Casino Royale, both book and film.

    There are multiple instances, 'Whisper, take him to the farm', 'Chloryl Hydrate!'... etc. Just found the notion of him being captured 'not fitting in a Bond film' odd.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,403
    It wasn't my intention. There are many instances in which I like the capture/escape sequences. GE/CR being my personal favourites. Perhaps I just didn't like the SP capture scene, in which I absolutely loved the film in general. Sits at #3 for me.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
    Posts: 1,003
    Off topic, but check out my fan script for my idea of a SPECTRE sequel.

    Not sure if there will be one but I am coming up with my own fan story of what I would want it to be like.

    http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/14300/never-dream-of-dying-fan-script
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 14,816
    Murdock wrote: »
    Bond didn't have any demons in Spectre, he was a man on a mission. Blofeld, now he had some demons. :))

    Blofeld IS a demon.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 14,816
    jake24 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    I'm one of the minority who likes the ending, for several reasons. I like the fact it subverts expectations to have the villain's base destroyed with relative ease. I also like the visuals back in London, the vacant MI6, Bond atop the ledge outside M's office, the cross-cutting between MI6 and the CNS, even the score is better here and the little reference to the DAF novel with Bond shooting down the helicopter is cute. I even like the gallery scene, as Bond stalks his way through the old MI6. Yeah, it's a tad hokey, but I've always liked that in my Bond films and it is particularly bizarre, unsettling and otherworldly. There's a nightmarish aesthetic throughout this whole denouement. It's all pretty unique and sticks in my mind. For those reasons I'm not convinced I'd have preferred the route one notion of padding out the lair scenes, building to a large scale firefight, which we've seen plenty of times before.
    I love the ending as well.

    Make that three.
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
    Posts: 754
    I'm in the camp that the ending was forced, overblown and hokey. If they had gone the RN route and made it smaller scale, suspenseful with Bond going after C (who was perhaps now aided by Hinx, but not Blofeld) and make it a simpler ending it would make the film so much better.
  • The_ReaperThe_Reaper
    Posts: 1,092
    No, the ending was great. It had depth and tension, and it all came together nicely, just like a good ending should.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,588
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    No, the ending was great. It had depth and tension, and it all came together nicely, just like a good ending should.
    Not to mention that Newman's score shines here.
  • Ed83Ed83
    Posts: 1,181
    Bond is captured in Octopussy, AVTAK, and TLD as well. Getting captured is very common in the series.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,259
    Ed83 wrote: »
    Bond is captured in Octopussy, AVTAK, and TLD as well. Getting captured is very common in the series.

    For sure. I'd like to see the next one avoid that.
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