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    About CG, maybe I'm the only one to worry that the damaging "We can do anything with CGI" atittude is contaminating a franchise historically known for real stunts, real locations, impressive models, but well...

    This isn't 2002, and the Bond movie that will be released later this year isn't called Die Another Day... This latest TV spot promises a movie that is incredibly light on CGI.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Give her another chance? Or what, what's your alternative?
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    About CG, maybe I'm the only one to worry that the damaging "We can do anything with CGI" atittude is contaminating a franchise historically known for real stunts, real locations, impressive models, but well...

    This isn't 2002, and the Bond movie that will be released later this year isn't called Die Another Day... This latest TV spot promises a movie that is incredibly light on CGI.

    Precisely Panchito. I'll remind everyone:
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  • SkyfallCraigSkyfallCraig Rome, Italy
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    Also, I know (from the actor) they just shot the fight in the helicopter in studio. Sure there will be some CG, but don't worry about it, they are good and they know how to do it
  • edited June 2015 Posts: 2,015
    Chris Corbould just said there will be lots of effects added in post-production in SPECTRE. Ignore it if and claim "it will be incredibly light" on CG if you want, but don't write if as if you were obviously right... Waltz is shooting this movie with dots on his face.

    It reminds me when the same persons claimed I was insane to write there were some problems with Logan :)
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    Chris Corbould just said there will be lots of effects added in post-production in SPECTRE. Ignore it if and claim "it will be incredibly light" on CG if you want, but don't write if as if you were obviously right... Waltz is shooting this movie with dots on his face.

    It reminds me when the same persons claimed I was insane to write there were some problems with Logan :)

    Yeah but obviously it won't be as much as other blockbusters which tend to CGI entire cities for instance....more like Nolan, CG only when needed.
  • SF CGIed an entire "dead" city...

    Anyway, a less polemical question : is it common for TV spots in the USA not to give a date for the movies ?
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    Chris Corbould just said there will be lots of effects added in post-production in SPECTRE. Ignore it if and claim "it will be incredibly light" on CG if you want, but don't write if as if you were obviously right... Waltz is shooting this movie with dots on his face.

    It reminds me when the same persons claimed I was insane to write there were some problems with Logan :)

    The dots on Waltz's face have nothing to do with practical stuntwork, nor does the addition of CG rain in post-production. So far I'm seeing nothing but real, practical stunts in SPECTRE, which to me is what's most important. I could care less if they use CG for other things like rain or
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  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    About CG, maybe I'm the only one to worry that the damaging "We can do anything with CGI" atittude is contaminating a franchise historically known for real stunts, real locations, impressive models, but well...

    i am all for the same thing - if the stunt can be done practically in the camera, it comes off 100x better, because the stunt was actually done, and you can appreciate it more... but CGI in today's day and age is unavoidable, and it gives filmmakers a lot more control when it comes to effects, more than what they used to have... it's a nice thing to have if you're using it to enhance a shot or stunt - but it shouldn't be relied upon heavily (like DAD did)... but Bond has always used special effects, the models/miniatures/rear screen projection was the CGI of those days.. CGI gets unjustly frowned upon, because it's viewed as "cheating the audience", I don't fully agree with that - while some CGI can be loud and obnoxious, I think it has it's place, and without it where would films like Jurassic Park and Lord Of The Rings be without it?.. those films would've looked completely different.. just my opinion..
    SF CGIed an entire "dead" city...

    well, to be fair, it was half a dead city they CGI'd (unless you are also talking about the wide shot of the approach to the island - in which case they took shots of the actual island + a little CGI and composited into the shot of the boat).... but they built most of it on the Pinewood backlot - at least the area in which the actors were in, then just CGI'd the surrounding landscape and/or buildings in the background (and thats because they couldn't use the actual island itself, because it was deemed too dangerous) - it's not like they Phantom Menaced the entire city and the actors walking around a whole blue screen stage lol..
    And still only "November", and not the "6th of November", is it common in the US to have no date in the trailers ?

    in the US, it is typical to see just the month of release shown when we are still this far away (because anything can change).. once we get into September and October, the official date will appear.
  • Posts: 4,619
    Chris Corbould just said there will be lots of effects added in post-production in SPECTRE. Ignore it if and claim "it will be incredibly light" on CG if you want, but don't write if as if you were obviously right... Waltz is shooting this movie with dots on his face.

    What big budget movies in the past 5-10 years, other than the Mission Impossible films and the movies directed by Christopher Nolan had as little CGI as Skyfall did or as Spectre will have? Again, Spectre will be incredibly light on CGI.. and now I will add "for a movie of its size". Obviously it will have much more VFX shots than a small independent drama...
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    About CG, maybe I'm the only one to worry that the damaging "We can do anything with CGI" atittude is contaminating a franchise historically known for real stunts, real locations, impressive models, but well...

    This isn't 2002, and the Bond movie that will be released later this year isn't called Die Another Day... This latest TV spot promises a movie that is incredibly light on CGI.
    CGI is always added in post-production, so we don't know that yet, since principal photography is still underway.
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    Zekidk wrote: »
    CGI is always added in post-production, so we don't know that yet, since principal photography is still underway.

    We have seen the trailer and dozens of set photos, some of us have read the script, we know that Mendes dislikes CGI (he expressed during an interview that he would never do something like the Komodo dragon ever again).
  • Zekidk wrote: »
    CGI is always added in post-production, so we don't know that yet, since principal photography is still underway.

    We have seen the trailer and dozens of set photos, some of us have read the script, we know that Mendes dislikes CGI (he expressed during an interview that he would never do something like the Komodo dragon ever again).

    He also once said the thought of doing another Bond movie made him "physically ill." To be honest, I take a lot of what he says with a healthy grain of salt.
  • ThomasCrown76ThomasCrown76 Augusta, ks
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    Some of you might as well be complaining about what the weather will be like in November. Just. Wait
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    I believe the only reason why Waltz has white dots on his face, is, that they don't want the public to see how he will look like on screen.

    I'm sure, they could easily do all this with make up.
    But then everybody now would know what his face will look like in the movie.

    I think it's just a "watch out for the paparazzi"-safety-reason.
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    SF CGIed an entire "dead" city...

    Anyway, a less polemical question : is it common for TV spots in the USA not to give a date for the movies ?

    Nope.

    Hashima Island, also called Gunkanjima meaning Battleship Island, is Japan’s ultimate industrial ruins ghost town and was used in Skyfall. It was the creepy island used as Silva's base. No doubt they built sets for the dialogue scenes, but "SF didn't CGI and entire "dead" city."

    http://www.pri.org/stories/2012-11-23/history-hashima-island-bond-film-skyfall

    http://www.lovethesepics.com/2013/01/abandoned-hashima-city-island-inspiration-for-james-bond-movie-skyfall/


  • smitty wrote: »
    SF CGIed an entire "dead" city...

    Anyway, a less polemical question : is it common for TV spots in the USA not to give a date for the movies ?

    Nope.

    Hashima Island, also called Gunkanjima meaning Battleship Island, is Japan’s ultimate industrial ruins ghost town and was used in Skyfall. It was the creepy island used as Silva's base. No doubt they built sets for the dialogue scenes, but "SF didn't CGI and entire "dead" city."

    http://www.pri.org/stories/2012-11-23/history-hashima-island-bond-film-skyfall

    http://www.lovethesepics.com/2013/01/abandoned-hashima-city-island-inspiration-for-james-bond-movie-skyfall/


    They didn't actually use Hashima Island. They built a small set at Pinewood based off of Hashima, and then extended it using CGI.
  • Posts: 725
    I think they filmed and used scenic long views of the actual dead city in the film. They obviously shot the initial Silva intro scene in the long hall and the courtyard scenes at Pinewood as those sets were all easily recreated. Why build the island itself for their external long shots when the island already existed and was the actual inspiration for creating Silva's base. Deakins did plenty of on site location shooting in China too without the actors on location. Their close up scenes were all recreated at Pinewood.
  • smitty wrote: »
    I think they filmed and used scenic long views of the actual dead city in the film. They obviously shot the initial Silva intro scene in the long hall and the courtyard scenes at Pinewood as those sets were all easily recreated. Why build the island itself for their external long shots when the island already existed and was the actual inspiration for creating Silva's base. Deakins did plenty of on site location shooting in China too without the actors on location. Their close up scenes were all recreated at Pinewood.

    Deakins did no filming in China. That was all second unit. The first unit (which included Deakins) never went to China.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    smitty wrote: »
    I think they filmed and used scenic long views of the actual dead city in the film. They obviously shot the initial Silva intro scene in the long hall and the courtyard scenes at Pinewood as those sets were all easily recreated. Why build the island itself for their external long shots when the island already existed and was the actual inspiration for creating Silva's base. Deakins did plenty of on site location shooting in China too without the actors on location. Their close up scenes were all recreated at Pinewood.

    i remember listening to the Mendes commentary on Skyfall, and he said they wanted to film on the island, but it wasn't safe enough.. so they recreated pieces of the island (the street and courtyard) on the Pinewood backlot and used CGI to extend the backgrounds.
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    I stand corrected. I only remember the dialogue scenes on the island which were obviously done at Pinewood. I think, but am not at all sure, there were some film used taken from the air, but I haven't seen the film in more than 2 years and can't remember what and if long views were included of the actual island. I think the island shots from the air were real, and not created by CGI as I thought I read that they did do filming of it to capture the scenery. Maybe someone who has seen SF recently will remember what island views may have been actually been in the film. I think it is a tourist attraction these days.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    smitty wrote: »
    I stand corrected. I only remember the dialogue scenes on the island which were obviously done at Pinewood. I think, but am not at all sure, there were some film used taken from the air, but I haven't seen the film in more than 2 years and can't remember what and if long views were included of the actual island. I think the island shots from the air were real, and not created by CGI as I thought I read that they did do filming of it to capture the scenery. Maybe someone who has seen SF recently will remember what island views may have been actually been in the film. I think it is a tourist attraction these days.

    yeah, the wide establishing shots showing the whole island (as the boat approached), that was the actual island just composited into the shot - and the last shot showing the helicopters hovering over the island, that was the real island, with just CGI helicopters.
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    Casino Royale had 500 CGI shots - which may surprise some of people when they read this. Except for the obvious - the airport sequence with the new airliner - CGI is mostly used to touch up shots like removing the third crane in the Madagascar sequence, things like that.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    ^^^ this
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    I've said it before and I'll continue to say it: as long as the majority of the stunts themselves are done practically, I'm happy. I don't care if they use CGI to take out wires and cranes, or to put someone's face over someone else's, or to add rain. I just want honest-to-God stunts.
  • HASEROT wrote: »
    yeah, the wide establishing shots showing the whole island (as the boat approached), that was the actual island just composited into the shot - and the last shot showing the helicopters hovering over the island, that was the real island, with just CGI helicopters.

    If I say "No" because I definitely looked at it once the DVD was out (to confirm the strong full CGI feeling I had in the theater), would you trust me ? Or do I really need to show frames from the movie compared to the images from the real location (hint : the real location is not a town as massive as in SF, and nature started to come back in the dozens of years since people left) ?

    Most probably the team there 'just' took photos for some environment mapping to recreate the feeling of the place while doing it in full CG. Just like when they probably shot environment mapping of Rome on the cars in SP according to the images we saw, to probably recreate the Rome feeling with CG in some close-up shots/interior car scenes in studio.


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    Why does CGI even matter if it produces the same results (which at this point it mostly doesn't). Bad CGI is the problem.
  • It give too many people the feeling you can do anything you want. Hence bad CGI because too much is expected of the CGI. Compare Hobbit and LOTR...
    Also, CGI on a face brings out the problem of the uncanny valley.
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    So I re-read some of the leaked script & the one thing I've been wondering is when does this film take place? Is it set directly after Skyfall or is it set in present day? The script makes it seem like the movie is set directly after Skyfall, so I'm just curious if we're a few years in the past or currently in 2015.
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