The David Arnold Appreciation Thread.

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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    The world needs as big an air freshener as possible after the chap lets go. There’s going to be a vast amount of air pollution once that disc arrives. :D
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited December 2018 Posts: 16,340
    I finally got my copy of La La Land's TWINE and this is a fabulous expansion. A must have all Bond music collectors. The new music is a feast for the ears. A brilliant expansion. It's got all the cues I've been wanting on it. I can't recommend it enough. :-bd

    EDIT: Also compared to La La Land's Die Another Day expansion, their work for TWINE is far superior. It manages to include both film and album versions of tracks in the film while their expansion for DAD mainly only had album versions of tracks. Both are great to have but their work on TWINE far exceeds what they did last year. Here's to more successful Bond expansions in the future.
  • mattjoesmattjoes DAY OF THE BROSNAN
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    Very nice. Eagerly waiting for my copy. In the meantime, I chose not to listen to the samples, or in fact, any already available music from the film, to make the upcoming experience feel as fresh as possible.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    Very nice. Eagerly waiting for my copy. In the meantime, I chose not to listen to the samples, or in fact, any already available music from the film, to make the upcoming experience feel as fresh as possible.

    That's how I went into it. It was a delight.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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  • mattjoesmattjoes DAY OF THE BROSNAN
    edited December 2018 Posts: 6,928
    The expanded TWINE album arrived here on Wednesday, but only yesterday I got a chance to sit down and listen to it with the necessary attention. Random notes... sort of a Bond...comments while you listen:

    - I enjoyed hearing more renditions of TWINE throughout the score. In the liner notes (which are terrific, by the way), David Arnold says John Barry advised him to always "play the theme, play the theme, play the theme", and he followed his advice. So TWINE is indeed heard in several cues, though it must be said while Barry would've played the entire piece from beginning to end, Arnold uses it as a leitmotif that often segues into different material, or acts as the first part of a recurring musical phrase. The part he uses most prominently is of course the first three notes of the theme (also heard in the chorus).

    - It just dawned on me that much of Arnold's romantic, softer material is reminiscent of Christopher Young's work. Anybody else hear the resemblance? Elektra's theme is a good example.

    - During this listen of the score, I enjoyed the ethnic touches more than usual. They are quite colorful and add charm to the score.

    - Casino Jazz is terrific. The sax melody is enchanting, as are the playful vibraphone, piano and drums. The four-note idea played on vibraphone that appears toward the end is also great.

    - Great to have the separate elements of the gunbarrel music. I enjoyed listening to that cool synth bass by itself.

    - The Orbis Non Sufficit piece is quite different from the film version. The latter is not just an edit of the former; it has some exclusive material. The film version has a better structure, I feel, though I greatly enjoy the album version all the same.

    - I presume the formerly absent Bond theme statements which have been added to Going Down - The Bunker and Caviar Factory were recorded separately from the main cues and added afterwards to underline the respective moments in the film. Anyway, it's good to hear them.

    - Interestingly and on a related note, over at the Film Score Monthly forums, Neil S. Bulk, who produced the new release, says tracks 2 and 3 (Show Me the Money and Come in 007, Your Time Is Up) originally were two separate pieces that were crossfaded together for the film. That explains their being separate tracks in the original album.

    Looking forward to, hopefully, a new release of TND, and other scores down the line. I was under the impression the TWINE masters had been provided by David Arnold himself (like it was the case with DAD IIRC), but actually they came from MGM, which is good.
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
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    I would have bought the TWINE expanded album in an instant, were it available to purchase on digital and not only as a CD. I don't get the reasoning behind the format choice. Even vinyl seems more common today. Shame.
  • edited January 2019 Posts: 17,488
    I would have bought the TWINE expanded album in an instant, were it available to purchase on digital and not only as a CD. I don't get the reasoning behind the format choice. Even vinyl seems more common today. Shame.

    I'm in the same boat, but mostly due to lack of space. I've been throwing away the jewel cases for most of my CD collection recently – putting the CD's into plastic sleeves that fits the album artwork and booklets. I do have room for a few more vinyl releases though, and the TWINE expanded score would be a great one to own on vinyl and/or digital download.
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    I guess the reasoning may be that they want a limited release only. Most soundtrack labels are still releasing on CD ahead of other formats.

    Easy enough to get the CD and rip it to digital.
  • edited January 2019 Posts: 17,488
    vzok wrote: »
    I guess the reasoning may be that they want a limited release only. Most soundtrack labels are still releasing on CD ahead of other formats.

    Easy enough to get the CD and rip it to digital.

    That's a good point. I do have a few limited releases that were available on CD, vinyl and digital download – although the latter was only included within the CD and vinyl releases as a download link, and not a standalone purchase.

    That would be a great purchase option for this release as well.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,136
    mattjoes wrote: »
    The expanded TWINE album arrived here on Wednesday, but only yesterday I got a chance to sit down and listen to it with the necessary attention. Random notes... sort of a Bond...comments while you listen:

    - I enjoyed hearing more renditions of TWINE throughout the score. In the liner notes (which are terrific, by the way), David Arnold says John Barry advised him to always "play the theme, play the theme, play the theme", and he followed his advice. So TWINE is indeed heard in several cues, though it must be said while Barry would've played the entire piece from beginning to end, Arnold uses it as a leitmotif that often segues into different material, or acts as the first part of a recurring musical phrase. The part he uses most prominently is of course the first three notes of the theme (also heard in the chorus).

    - It just dawned on me that much of Arnold's romantic, softer material is reminiscent of Christopher Young's work. Anybody else hear the resemblance? Elektra's theme is a good example.

    - During this listen of the score, I enjoyed the ethnic touches more than usual. They are quite colorful and add charm to the score.

    - Casino Jazz is terrific. The sax melody is enchanting, as are the playful vibraphone, piano and drums. The four-note idea played on vibraphone that appears toward the end is also great.

    - Great to have the separate elements of the gunbarrel music. I enjoyed listening to that cool synth bass by itself.

    - The Orbis Non Sufficit piece is quite different from the film version. The latter is not just an edit of the former; it has some exclusive material. The film version has a better structure, I feel, though I greatly enjoy the album version all the same.

    - I presume the formerly absent Bond theme statements which have been added to Going Down - The Bunker and Caviar Factory were recorded separately from the main cues and added afterwards to underline the respective moments in the film. Anyway, it's good to hear them.

    - Interestingly and on a related note, over at the Film Score Monthly forums, Neil S. Bulk, who produced the new release, says tracks 2 and 3 (Show Me the Money and Come in 007, Your Time Is Up) originally were two separate pieces that were crossfaded together for the film. That explains their being separate tracks in the original album.

    Looking forward to, hopefully, a new release of TND, and other scores down the line. I was under the impression the TWINE masters had been provided by David Arnold himself (like it was the case with DAD IIRC), but actually they came from MGM, which is good.

    Mine arrived last week, too. I have been enjoying it a lot. The missing pieces of music aren't earth-shattering, but they're nice to have and make the album a nice full experience. I always imagine a much more intense, visceral finale when listening to the Submarine tracks. Far better music than the respective scenes deserved.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    I ordered the expanded TWINE last Monday and I’m still waiting for it. How long did you chaps have to wait before it was delivered?
  • AgentJamesBond007AgentJamesBond007 Vesper’s grave
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    The two men at the top of my list for scoring Bond 25 are doing a show together! David Arnold and Michael Giacchino will be having a show together in October.

    https://www.royalalberthall.com/tickets/events/2019/settling-the-score/
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    @AgentJamesBond007 perhaps a collaboration for Bond 25.

    Still hoping for Newman again though #fingerscrossed #highlyunlikely
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    The two men at the top of my list for scoring Bond 25 are doing a show together! David Arnold and Michael Giacchino will be having a show together in October.

    https://www.royalalberthall.com/tickets/events/2019/settling-the-score/

    Two great choices.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    That annoying 'has-been' David Arnold has just been nominated for two Emmy Awards for his music for Good Omens. Congratulations to him on a fantastic score!


  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Congratulations indeed! I'm going to have to seek out the score and give it a listen. :-bd
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    Well done David Arnold! =D>
  • mattjoesmattjoes DAY OF THE BROSNAN
    edited July 2019 Posts: 6,928
    "No Bond until later next year (hopefully) ...the new film is the top priority now for all involved."

    From a comment made by La La Land Records at the FSM boards on July 23rd (link: https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?pageID=440&forumID=1&threadID=67395&archive=0)

    Shame, though at least the possibility of further releases appears to be good enough.

    (Posted here for those of us who hoping for TND later this year!)
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    Disappointing to see that. Hopefully next year they will release 2 to make up for it.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    I made a video where I showcased all the instances of You Know My Name and Another Way to Die being woven into the score of Quantum of Solace. May @MakeshiftPython enjoy that! :D

    I must admit I was wrong about Inside Man referencing YKNM, as I actually got confused with Dead Don't Care About Vengeance, since the latter does indeed reprise the melody of Inside Man.
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
    edited July 2019 Posts: 4,411
    @Walecs thanks for your work. Very interesting. Wasn't aware of these connections.
  • The movie soundtrack, in general, has been dead for a while. QoS was one of few examples of a detailed soundtrack as the overly-simplistic styles brought about by Hans Zimmer and such.

    SF was controversial, while the title song may have started out with strong emotion to make DC cry, the song was not sung well in its lackluster live performance at the awards ceremony that DC didn't even attend, despite rumors that the song was was done in one take. It wasn't included on the SF soundtrack, plus the song was under-lyric-ed.

    Any word as to whether DA will be back for Bond 25 yet?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    @dramaticscenesofQOS
    You must not have been following the news, friend. :) Dan Romer, who scored Beasts of No Nation for Fukunaga, is going to score B25. DA seems nowhere near the Bond series these days.

    I used to love Arnold when I was in my early teens. His loud and "spectacular" scores for Stargate, ID4 and Godzilla entertained the hell out of me. I was naturally very pleased when DA was hired to compose TND. Then I started appreciating more subtle film music, and Arnold fell off my boat. Starting with TWINE, I turned very critical of Arnold, finding his music messy, often too "shouty" and not "smooth" enough. Whilst I enjoyed several parts of the TWINE and DAD scores, they had large sections that I found less than good. But things got better. I discovered other stuff done by Arnold, like 2000's Shaft, a score I enjoyed right away. And when CR came out, I was quite frankly impressed by Arnold's mature approach. QOS, in fact, though perhaps his most minimalistic Bond score, is also my favourite of his. And with those wonderful "complete score" releases of recent times, TND, TWINE and DAD have now gone through a phase of reappraisal in this house. So I guess I went from adoration to mixed feelings to appreciation, but I never experienced the absolute loathing that I know some did when Arnold was still with the Bonds. Those of you who weren't around in those days may not know this, but there was a lot--and I mean A LOT--of hatred for Arnold on our forum a good dozen years ago.
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    @dramaticscenesofQOS
    You must not have been following the news, friend. :) Dan Romer, who scored Beasts of No Nation for Fukunaga, is going to score B25. DA seems nowhere near the Bond series these days.

    I used to love Arnold when I was in my early teens. His loud and "spectacular" scores for Stargate, ID4 and Godzilla entertained the hell out of me. I was naturally very pleased when DA was hired to compose TND. Then I started appreciating more subtle film music, and Arnold fell off my boat. Starting with TWINE, I turned very critical of Arnold, finding his music messy, often too "shouty" and not "smooth" enough. Whilst I enjoyed several parts of the TWINE and DAD scores, they had large sections that I found less than good. But things got better. I discovered other stuff done by Arnold, like 2000's Shaft, a score I enjoyed right away. And when CR came out, I was quite frankly impressed by Arnold's mature approach. QOS, in fact, though perhaps his most minimalistic Bond score, is also my favourite of his. And with those wonderful "complete score" releases of recent times, TND, TWINE and DAD have now gone through a phase of reappraisal in this house. So I guess I went from adoration to mixed feelings to appreciation, but I never experienced the absolute loathing that I know some did when Arnold was still with the Bonds. Those of you who weren't around in those days may not know this, but there was a lot--and I mean A LOT--of hatred for Arnold on our forum a good dozen years ago.

    I really like Arnold's Bond scores, but was hoping for some fresh blood around Skyfall. HIs scores can get a bit samey. There's a particular musical cue that turns up in TWINE, DAD and CR and may even have been the same piece used in the last series of Sherlock.
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    @dramaticscenesofQOS
    You must not have been following the news, friend. :) Dan Romer, who scored Beasts of No Nation for Fukunaga, is going to score B25. DA seems nowhere near the Bond series these days.

    I used to love Arnold when I was in my early teens. His loud and "spectacular" scores for Stargate, ID4 and Godzilla entertained the hell out of me. I was naturally very pleased when DA was hired to compose TND. Then I started appreciating more subtle film music, and Arnold fell off my boat. Starting with TWINE, I turned very critical of Arnold, finding his music messy, often too "shouty" and not "smooth" enough. Whilst I enjoyed several parts of the TWINE and DAD scores, they had large sections that I found less than good. But things got better. I discovered other stuff done by Arnold, like 2000's Shaft, a score I enjoyed right away. And when CR came out, I was quite frankly impressed by Arnold's mature approach. QOS, in fact, though perhaps his most minimalistic Bond score, is also my favourite of his. And with those wonderful "complete score" releases of recent times, TND, TWINE and DAD have now gone through a phase of reappraisal in this house. So I guess I went from adoration to mixed feelings to appreciation, but I never experienced the absolute loathing that I know some did when Arnold was still with the Bonds. Those of you who weren't around in those days may not know this, but there was a lot--and I mean A LOT--of hatred for Arnold on our forum a good dozen years ago.

    I really like Arnold's Bond scores, but was hoping for some fresh blood around Skyfall. HIs scores can get a bit samey. There's a particular musical cue that turns up in TWINE, DAD and CR and may even have been the same piece used in the last series of Sherlock.
    Just curious which music cue this is?

    Composers tend to have a certain sound to most of their work. You can always spot a John Barry score or an Ennio Morricone one or a Hans Zimmer one. So they often reuse a certain cue which is their trademark.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Walecs wrote: »


    I made a video where I showcased all the instances of You Know My Name and Another Way to Die being woven into the score of Quantum of Solace. May @MakeshiftPython enjoy that! :D

    I must admit I was wrong about Inside Man referencing YKNM, as I actually got confused with Dead Don't Care About Vengeance, since the latter does indeed reprise the melody of Inside Man.

    Hmmm, a lot of those examples for AWTD may be stretching it. That said, for a long time I thought "Field Trip" was the only nod, but I can definitely hear it in "Greene and Camille" where you highlighted.

    On a similar subject, I always thought I heard Adele's song during the PTS, specifically at 2:30.

  • mattjoesmattjoes DAY OF THE BROSNAN
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    Here's something interesting. The Beethoven music in TND wasn't re-recorded for the film. It was sourced from a previous recording.

    Film audio:


    Original recording:


    (Concerto For Piano And Orchestra Nr. 5 In E-Flat Major, Op. 73, "Emperor" - Adagio un poco mosso · Ludwig van Beethoven · Anton Dikov · Sofia Philharmonic Orchestra · Emil Tabakov)

    It's the same, isn't it? I only found out because I recently did a trailer for TND that used the piece, and a few days later, some YouTube algorithm identified the music and added the information at the bottom of the description. I actually had assumed incorrectly that the music had been re-recorded for the film.

    Of course, in other Bond films, non-original music has been re-recorded for the films, or at least adapted in some way. For MR, the Magnificent Seven theme was re-arranged and re-recorded. However, the Strauss polka and Romeo and Juliet might have been tracked music. In TSWLM, the Chopin music that plays when Bond meets Stromberg seems to have a unique orchestral arrangement. Another classical piece earlier in the film begins with a synth flourish. The Lawrence of Arabia music was also re-recorded. Marvin Hamlisch had already worked in reusing Scott Joplin rags for The Sting, so in my opinion, it's likely, though not certain, that he re-recorded all these pieces again.
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