Superman: The Man of Tomorrow

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  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited September 19 Posts: 4,679
    peter wrote: »
    @MaxCasino I'm hoping you can verify something for me: a friend who is in production swears to me that Superman's dog, Krypto will be explored in this new film.

    He swears he's not kidding.

    Last time I looked at the date it's not April 1st.

    As far as you know, realizing you have nothing to do with this production, but you seem to be one of the most well researched, and actively interested Superman fan I have access to... Is this true?

    If more than one source is saying it. It does sound like it is @peter and I'm happy about it. It's proof that they are trying something new (even if Lex is the main villain again). However, this movie's freshness is a feeling is that I didn't have during the MOS production. Other than darkness, MOS didn't do much new stuff. And I actually like MOS more than most. I better still hide from Zack Snyder's cult base. That's why I wrote what I did on Where Does Bond Go After Craig thread. Although, I don't think us Bond fans are as bad as they are.

    I've actually written a few Superman/Supergirl screenplay stories of my own. Mostly bringing in new villains from his rogues gallery. I'm hoping that Brainiac will be appearing in the movie. It's time for some change.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,511
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    @MaxCasino I'm hoping you can verify something for me: a friend who is in production swears to me that Superman's dog, Krypto will be explored in this new film.

    He swears he's not kidding.

    Last time I looked at the date it's not April 1st.

    As far as you know, realizing you have nothing to do with this production, but you seem to be one of the most well researched, and actively interested Superman fan I have access to... Is this true?

    If more than one source is saying it. It does sound like it is @peter and I'm happy about it. It's proof that they are trying something new (even if Lex is the main villain again). However, this movie's freshness is a feeling is that I didn't have during the MOS production. Other than darkness, MOS didn't do much new stuff. And I actually like MOS more than most. I better still hide from Zack Snyder's cult base. That's why I wrote what I did on Where Does Bond Go After Craig thread. Although, I don't think us Bond fans are as bad as they are.

    I've actually written a few Superman/Supergirl screenplay stories of my own. Mostly bringing in new villains from his rogues gallery. I'm hoping that Brainiac will be appearing in the movie. It's time for some change.

    Thanks for replying, @MaxCasino !

    A couple more questions for you:

    I don't know anything about Superman's dog. What is his role? Is this a dog with super powers? I'm completely ignorant of where the dog fits into Superman's mythology, and I've been curious to how they will depict it in a live action film?
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,679
    peter wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    @MaxCasino I'm hoping you can verify something for me: a friend who is in production swears to me that Superman's dog, Krypto will be explored in this new film.

    He swears he's not kidding.

    Last time I looked at the date it's not April 1st.

    As far as you know, realizing you have nothing to do with this production, but you seem to be one of the most well researched, and actively interested Superman fan I have access to... Is this true?

    If more than one source is saying it. It does sound like it is @peter and I'm happy about it. It's proof that they are trying something new (even if Lex is the main villain again). However, this movie's freshness is a feeling is that I didn't have during the MOS production. Other than darkness, MOS didn't do much new stuff. And I actually like MOS more than most. I better still hide from Zack Snyder's cult base. That's why I wrote what I did on Where Does Bond Go After Craig thread. Although, I don't think us Bond fans are as bad as they are.

    I've actually written a few Superman/Supergirl screenplay stories of my own. Mostly bringing in new villains from his rogues gallery. I'm hoping that Brainiac will be appearing in the movie. It's time for some change.

    Thanks for replying, @MaxCasino !

    A couple more questions for you:

    I don't know anything about Superman's dog. What is his role? Is this a dog with super powers? I'm completely ignorant of where the dog fits into Superman's mythology, and I've been curious to how they will depict it in a live action film?

    Always happy to help a fellow fan @peter in more fandoms than just Superman and Bond! As for Krypto I don't know much about him. Other than that he is a dog with the same powers as Superman/Supergirl. He also regularly guards the Fortress of Solitude. That's all I really know about him. This should help you a bit.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krypto
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,511
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    @MaxCasino I'm hoping you can verify something for me: a friend who is in production swears to me that Superman's dog, Krypto will be explored in this new film.

    He swears he's not kidding.

    Last time I looked at the date it's not April 1st.

    As far as you know, realizing you have nothing to do with this production, but you seem to be one of the most well researched, and actively interested Superman fan I have access to... Is this true?

    If more than one source is saying it. It does sound like it is @peter and I'm happy about it. It's proof that they are trying something new (even if Lex is the main villain again). However, this movie's freshness is a feeling is that I didn't have during the MOS production. Other than darkness, MOS didn't do much new stuff. And I actually like MOS more than most. I better still hide from Zack Snyder's cult base. That's why I wrote what I did on Where Does Bond Go After Craig thread. Although, I don't think us Bond fans are as bad as they are.

    I've actually written a few Superman/Supergirl screenplay stories of my own. Mostly bringing in new villains from his rogues gallery. I'm hoping that Brainiac will be appearing in the movie. It's time for some change.

    Thanks for replying, @MaxCasino !

    A couple more questions for you:

    I don't know anything about Superman's dog. What is his role? Is this a dog with super powers? I'm completely ignorant of where the dog fits into Superman's mythology, and I've been curious to how they will depict it in a live action film?

    Always happy to help a fellow fan @peter in more fandoms than just Superman and Bond! As for Krypto I don't know much about him. Other than that he is a dog with the same powers as Superman/Supergirl. He also regularly guards the Fortress of Solitude. That's all I really know about him. This should help you a bit.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krypto

    Thanks again, @MaxCasino ... I'm gonna have a look at the link now.

    I'm interested to see his they can make this work.
  • Posts: 838
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    @MaxCasino I'm hoping you can verify something for me: a friend who is in production swears to me that Superman's dog, Krypto will be explored in this new film.

    He swears he's not kidding.

    Last time I looked at the date it's not April 1st.

    As far as you know, realizing you have nothing to do with this production, but you seem to be one of the most well researched, and actively interested Superman fan I have access to... Is this true?

    If more than one source is saying it. It does sound like it is @peter and I'm happy about it. It's proof that they are trying something new (even if Lex is the main villain again). However, this movie's freshness is a feeling is that I didn't have during the MOS production. Other than darkness, MOS didn't do much new stuff. And I actually like MOS more than most. I better still hide from Zack Snyder's cult base. That's why I wrote what I did on Where Does Bond Go After Craig thread. Although, I don't think us Bond fans are as bad as they are.

    I've actually written a few Superman/Supergirl screenplay stories of my own. Mostly bringing in new villains from his rogues gallery. I'm hoping that Brainiac will be appearing in the movie. It's time for some change.

    Thanks for replying, @MaxCasino !

    A couple more questions for you:

    I don't know anything about Superman's dog. What is his role? Is this a dog with super powers? I'm completely ignorant of where the dog fits into Superman's mythology, and I've been curious to how they will depict it in a live action film?

    Always happy to help a fellow fan @peter in more fandoms than just Superman and Bond! As for Krypto I don't know much about him. Other than that he is a dog with the same powers as Superman/Supergirl. He also regularly guards the Fortress of Solitude. That's all I really know about him. This should help you a bit.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krypto

    Also love a good Superman chat!

    Covering this up just in case.

    I managed a brief set visit last spring in Cleveland right as Gunn was beginning the location shoot for Metropolis, and I can say there was certainly...evidence...in the set designs and dressings that would suggest Krypto is in the film.

    Some photos from shooting that appeared later seemed to verify as much, based on how one of the actors was (theoretically) interacting with a (likely) CGI creation. And at the exact same location I referred to above...
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 19 Posts: 16,558
    It's even on the wiki page that the dog will be in the film, so it's obviously a rumour which is out there.
    I reckon it could work, no reason Superman shouldn't have a dog I guess. It's not like it's an inherently more silly idea than Superman himself, and kind of suits his wholesome boy-scout character.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,511
    AgentM72 wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    @MaxCasino I'm hoping you can verify something for me: a friend who is in production swears to me that Superman's dog, Krypto will be explored in this new film.

    He swears he's not kidding.

    Last time I looked at the date it's not April 1st.

    As far as you know, realizing you have nothing to do with this production, but you seem to be one of the most well researched, and actively interested Superman fan I have access to... Is this true?

    If more than one source is saying it. It does sound like it is @peter and I'm happy about it. It's proof that they are trying something new (even if Lex is the main villain again). However, this movie's freshness is a feeling is that I didn't have during the MOS production. Other than darkness, MOS didn't do much new stuff. And I actually like MOS more than most. I better still hide from Zack Snyder's cult base. That's why I wrote what I did on Where Does Bond Go After Craig thread. Although, I don't think us Bond fans are as bad as they are.

    I've actually written a few Superman/Supergirl screenplay stories of my own. Mostly bringing in new villains from his rogues gallery. I'm hoping that Brainiac will be appearing in the movie. It's time for some change.

    Thanks for replying, @MaxCasino !

    A couple more questions for you:

    I don't know anything about Superman's dog. What is his role? Is this a dog with super powers? I'm completely ignorant of where the dog fits into Superman's mythology, and I've been curious to how they will depict it in a live action film?

    Always happy to help a fellow fan @peter in more fandoms than just Superman and Bond! As for Krypto I don't know much about him. Other than that he is a dog with the same powers as Superman/Supergirl. He also regularly guards the Fortress of Solitude. That's all I really know about him. This should help you a bit.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krypto

    Also love a good Superman chat!

    Covering this up just in case.

    I managed a brief set visit last spring in Cleveland right as Gunn was beginning the location shoot for Metropolis, and I can say there was certainly...evidence...in the set designs and dressings that would suggest Krypto is in the film.

    Some photos from shooting that appeared later seemed to verify as much, based on how one of the actors was (theoretically) interacting with a (likely) CGI creation. And at the exact same location I referred to above...

    You were kind enough to show me these pics (and they were awesome!!)— did we discuss Krypto?

    I’m just reading the wiki page now and see they do say he’s going to make an appearance in the upcoming film ! I have to admit that when I first heard about this, I made an ugly frown. A WTF frown, lol.

    But I guess it’s not more outlandish than Superman… I suppose? I agree that Superman having a dog lends to his boy-scout type character. I just have trouble wrapping my head around a dog that can fly, or, if he has all of SM’s powers, shooting heat vision from his eyes.

    Thanks again for the wiki link @MaxCasino , and thanks again @AgentM72 for the intel! Those were amazing pics, you crafty, old spy, you!!
  • Posts: 838
    peter wrote: »
    AgentM72 wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    @MaxCasino I'm hoping you can verify something for me: a friend who is in production swears to me that Superman's dog, Krypto will be explored in this new film.

    He swears he's not kidding.

    Last time I looked at the date it's not April 1st.

    As far as you know, realizing you have nothing to do with this production, but you seem to be one of the most well researched, and actively interested Superman fan I have access to... Is this true?

    If more than one source is saying it. It does sound like it is @peter and I'm happy about it. It's proof that they are trying something new (even if Lex is the main villain again). However, this movie's freshness is a feeling is that I didn't have during the MOS production. Other than darkness, MOS didn't do much new stuff. And I actually like MOS more than most. I better still hide from Zack Snyder's cult base. That's why I wrote what I did on Where Does Bond Go After Craig thread. Although, I don't think us Bond fans are as bad as they are.

    I've actually written a few Superman/Supergirl screenplay stories of my own. Mostly bringing in new villains from his rogues gallery. I'm hoping that Brainiac will be appearing in the movie. It's time for some change.

    Thanks for replying, @MaxCasino !

    A couple more questions for you:

    I don't know anything about Superman's dog. What is his role? Is this a dog with super powers? I'm completely ignorant of where the dog fits into Superman's mythology, and I've been curious to how they will depict it in a live action film?

    Always happy to help a fellow fan @peter in more fandoms than just Superman and Bond! As for Krypto I don't know much about him. Other than that he is a dog with the same powers as Superman/Supergirl. He also regularly guards the Fortress of Solitude. That's all I really know about him. This should help you a bit.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krypto

    Also love a good Superman chat!

    Covering this up just in case.

    I managed a brief set visit last spring in Cleveland right as Gunn was beginning the location shoot for Metropolis, and I can say there was certainly...evidence...in the set designs and dressings that would suggest Krypto is in the film.

    Some photos from shooting that appeared later seemed to verify as much, based on how one of the actors was (theoretically) interacting with a (likely) CGI creation. And at the exact same location I referred to above...

    You were kind enough to show me these pics (and they were awesome!!)— did we discuss Krypto?

    I’m just reading the wiki page now and see they do say he’s going to make an appearance in the upcoming film ! I have to admit that when I first heard about this, I made an ugly frown. A WTF frown, lol.

    But I guess it’s not more outlandish than Superman… I suppose? I agree that Superman having a dog lends to his boy-scout type character. I just have trouble wrapping my head around a dog that can fly, or, if he has all of SM’s powers, shooting heat vision from his eyes.

    Thanks again for the wiki link @MaxCasino , and thanks again @AgentM72 for the intel! Those were amazing pics, you crafty, old spy, you!!

    Haha, many thanks @peter -- and no, we did not discuss Krypto!

    I'll admit, my first reaction to the idea was similar. Just couldn't see how the superpup might work realistically in a film. But now I'm halfway through Peacemaker and seeing how Gunn treats the title character's sidekick Eagly gives me some hope. (I still can't believe Eagly is a real thing, honestly. But he's VICIOUS.)
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,679
    AgentM72 wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    AgentM72 wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    @MaxCasino I'm hoping you can verify something for me: a friend who is in production swears to me that Superman's dog, Krypto will be explored in this new film.

    He swears he's not kidding.

    Last time I looked at the date it's not April 1st.

    As far as you know, realizing you have nothing to do with this production, but you seem to be one of the most well researched, and actively interested Superman fan I have access to... Is this true?

    If more than one source is saying it. It does sound like it is @peter and I'm happy about it. It's proof that they are trying something new (even if Lex is the main villain again). However, this movie's freshness is a feeling is that I didn't have during the MOS production. Other than darkness, MOS didn't do much new stuff. And I actually like MOS more than most. I better still hide from Zack Snyder's cult base. That's why I wrote what I did on Where Does Bond Go After Craig thread. Although, I don't think us Bond fans are as bad as they are.

    I've actually written a few Superman/Supergirl screenplay stories of my own. Mostly bringing in new villains from his rogues gallery. I'm hoping that Brainiac will be appearing in the movie. It's time for some change.

    Thanks for replying, @MaxCasino !

    A couple more questions for you:

    I don't know anything about Superman's dog. What is his role? Is this a dog with super powers? I'm completely ignorant of where the dog fits into Superman's mythology, and I've been curious to how they will depict it in a live action film?

    Always happy to help a fellow fan @peter in more fandoms than just Superman and Bond! As for Krypto I don't know much about him. Other than that he is a dog with the same powers as Superman/Supergirl. He also regularly guards the Fortress of Solitude. That's all I really know about him. This should help you a bit.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krypto

    Also love a good Superman chat!

    Covering this up just in case.

    I managed a brief set visit last spring in Cleveland right as Gunn was beginning the location shoot for Metropolis, and I can say there was certainly...evidence...in the set designs and dressings that would suggest Krypto is in the film.

    Some photos from shooting that appeared later seemed to verify as much, based on how one of the actors was (theoretically) interacting with a (likely) CGI creation. And at the exact same location I referred to above...

    You were kind enough to show me these pics (and they were awesome!!)— did we discuss Krypto?

    I’m just reading the wiki page now and see they do say he’s going to make an appearance in the upcoming film ! I have to admit that when I first heard about this, I made an ugly frown. A WTF frown, lol.

    But I guess it’s not more outlandish than Superman… I suppose? I agree that Superman having a dog lends to his boy-scout type character. I just have trouble wrapping my head around a dog that can fly, or, if he has all of SM’s powers, shooting heat vision from his eyes.

    Thanks again for the wiki link @MaxCasino , and thanks again @AgentM72 for the intel! Those were amazing pics, you crafty, old spy, you!!

    Haha, many thanks @peter -- and no, we did not discuss Krypto!

    I'll admit, my first reaction to the idea was similar. Just couldn't see how the superpup might work realistically in a film. But now I'm halfway through Peacemaker and seeing how Gunn treats the title character's sidekick Eagly gives me some hope. (I still can't believe Eagly is a real thing, honestly. But he's VICIOUS.)

    Always happy to discuss Superman @peter and @AgentM72 he is one of my creative influences. I just hope this film works, as there is a lot riding on it. In particular, Superman's cinematic reputation!
  • Posts: 838
    We're certainly due for a terrific and uplifting Superman movie.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,199
    From what I understand, the approach that Gunn is taking with this new iteration of DC cinematic universe is that it’ll very much be its own unique world like in the comics. This is sort of the opposite of what Nolan and Snyder did, where they tried depicting superheroes existing in our own real world where CNN exists with its real life anchors talking about Superman on live TV. This is probably a way to be able to allow filmmakers to use the more seemingly outlandish elements in the comics in a way that’s earnest. So having something like Krypto exist in this universe basically tells you they’re pulling all the stops. Perhaps we’ll even get an actual teenage Robin to fight crime with Batman.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,558
    As long as there's not multiple universes, I can deal with that. I still think that Burton's Batman was probably the best screen incarnation of him so far, because he lived in a heightened reality. I just don't think that Batman makes much sense being taken seriously in a real world setting, because he's kind of inherently ridiculous. With the Nolan films, because they were set in our world, part of me was always thinking 'this guy is seriously mentally ill', which you don't have when you're being more fantastical about it. Doing the same with Superman would work for me.
  • edited September 20 Posts: 1,416
    mtm wrote: »
    As long as there's not multiple universes, I can deal with that. I still think that Burton's Batman was probably the best screen incarnation of him so far, because he lived in a heightened reality. I just don't think that Batman makes much sense being taken seriously in a real world setting, because he's kind of inherently ridiculous. With the Nolan films, because they were set in our world, part of me was always thinking 'this guy is seriously mentally ill', which you don't have when you're being more fantastical about it. Doing the same with Superman would work for me.

    Donner's Superman was naturalistic and It worked
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Superman sends rocket into space | Superman (3 Hour TV Version)

    My favorite edit of the scene, Superman reaction to the rocket dodging him is gold.

    If the new Superman film has a scene half as good as this I will be happy, this scene still amazes me. Arguably John Williams best work on this score.

    Christopher Reeve is so good he makes everything he does feel real.

    verisimilitude2.jpg

    Yes, that was indeed gold!

    I have said it many times I wish we had got Donner's planned series, it would have been the greatest.

    Donner being removed is for me the biggest crime in cinema.

    Yes, and don't remind me, I'm ready to cry here. ;)

    This is amazing should never have been deleted.

    Damn the Salkinds! Their own evil and greed killed Superman as a movie series to this day. They could have been Superman’s Cubby and Harry, but being too cheap and greedy killed their own chance at succeeding. I heard that Tom Mankiewicz was going originally direct Donner’s version of Superman 3, with Bizarro, Brainiac and Supergirl all appearing. Alas, they went with a guy they owned money to, who never heard of Superman. It bombed, and all three kind of deserved their criticism for Superman 3. Now, we’re stuck Lex and Zod as villains trying to keep recapture Donner’s magic. I wish I could make my own Superman movies, I think you would like my story ideas. I have a few screenplay ideas written down. Maybe for Superman’s 100th birthday.
    chrisisall wrote: »

    This is amazing should never have been deleted.

    Totally. We were blessed with these finds.

    Superman inspires me, and us all.

    I have had surrogate parents in my life, I relate to Kal.

    I can relate to Superman as well. I’ve always felt like an alien. Superman is a character for everyone to relate too. And that’s the genius and legacy of the character.

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/superman-james-gunn-wraps-filming-1235962379/

    Hopefully, a trailer by the end of the year.

    Superman movies are like Star Wars. They rely on special effects and it becomes very difficult to surprise the audience. The decline was inevitable.

  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I’m not sure I agree that Donner’s Superman was “naturalistic”. The only thing naturalistic was Donner’s use of New York City and just calling it Metropolis, rather than creating a whole new city the way Burton did with models and matte paintings.

    Otherwise, SUPERMAN 78 really more inspired by screwball film humor, and Reeve and Kidder really nailed that vibe.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,558
    Yeah as I say, it's if you take it seriously which is where the problem can arise, and to be fair it's more of an issue with Batman than it is with Superman, because once you've got aliens and all sorts of wacky things in there then you're clearly in another world anyway. Some Batman films seem to try to present us with the idea that this could really happen, and once you've done that you've got to confront the issue that this guy is not well.

    Donner's Superman was kind of in the same sort of reality the Bond films live in; as you say Makeshift, it didn't really take itself 100% seriously, and the Bond films don't either- they're in on the joke (even the Craig films, maybe less so the first two, but it's still there), and the casino in Skyfall, locations of NTTD etc. are in a sort of more glamorous universe than ours.
  • Posts: 1,496
    I’m not sure I agree that Donner’s Superman was “naturalistic”. The only thing naturalistic was Donner’s use of New York City and just calling it Metropolis, rather than creating a whole new city the way Burton did with models and matte paintings.

    Otherwise, SUPERMAN 78 really more inspired by screwball film humor, and Reeve and Kidder really nailed that vibe.

    Yes, you can see how Reeve, in his Clark Kent disguise, channels Cary Grant from those screwball classics like His Girl Friday and Bringing Up Baby.
  • edited September 20 Posts: 4,266
    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah as I say, it's if you take it seriously which is where the problem can arise, and to be fair it's more of an issue with Batman than it is with Superman, because once you've got aliens and all sorts of wacky things in there then you're clearly in another world anyway. Some Batman films seem to try to present us with the idea that this could really happen, and once you've done that you've got to confront the issue that this guy is not well.

    Donner's Superman was kind of in the same sort of reality the Bond films live in; as you say Makeshift, it didn't really take itself 100% seriously, and the Bond films don't either- they're in on the joke (even the Craig films, maybe less so the first two, but it's still there), and the casino in Skyfall, locations of NTTD etc. are in a sort of more glamorous universe than ours.

    It always surprises me rewatching the Sam Rami Spiderman movies just how heightened and elaborate everything is, almost like they're a step away from being cartoonish (even Willem Dafoe and Alfred Molina give these wonderfully theatrical performances almost. I wouldn't call either naturalistic by any means but in those films they just work). I guess that comes from Donner's Superman (and of course Burton's Batman) to some extent (Sam Rami's Darkman from the 90s is a bit like that too).

    As for Batman I somewhat agree - when we get to Nolan's last two films I feel there's something missing from that world and everything feels a bit flat (the first film was better for me with the city's elaborate architecture and heightened noir visuals. It even had a couple of moments of utter ridiculousness like him using a homing signal to attract a swarm of bats). I do think Batman can afford to be darker and grittier in tone though compared to Superman, and I think as time has gone on there's been a bit more of a shift towards more grounded tones in these sorts of films. Still, superhero films need that splash of fantasy.
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
    edited September 20 Posts: 1,110
    Since we're talking about realistic Supermans, I've seen that the vast majority on social media think that Superman in real life would be like Homelander or Omniman, as if being edgy was equivalent to being realistic. I'm sure it would probably be more like Hancock or Metroman.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited September 20 Posts: 4,679
    https://x.com/D4hz4hn/status/1837101582569066593

    As the first comment says, the films have not taken advantage of the mythology. Namely in the villains. As for realistic villains, there are more than alien villains to use. My version of the mythology is having a bit more fantasy than realism. Forget James Bond, I’d rather be in charge of the cinematic Superman. There’s so many ways to take the mythological approach to entertain people and give them good feelings, about Superman and his universe.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    It’s astonishing that Superman has huge rogues gallery of that the movies BARELY made use of.
  • edited September 20 Posts: 838
    It’s astonishing that Superman has huge rogues gallery of that the movies BARELY made use of.

    This really is something about the character most people don't know.

    For myself -- I came up as a fan of Superman onscreen. The Fleischer cartoons, then the Donner films (which became my touchstone). Also Lois & Clark. I read some of the comics, but live-action Superman was always my favourite. I preferred seeing Superman in the real world because it felt like it made him more special, more relatable.

    But in my later years, I've gone back and read many of the comics from multiple different runs. And it really is incredible how different they are (in a good way).

    Like, you can almost make a case that the Superman books are closer to being pure science fiction than what we think of as standard 'superhero fare'. The villains are cosmic, the colors and art are endlessly vibrant and inventive, the depictions of Metropolis range from familiar to otherworldly, the Krypton mythos has seemingly endless dimensions, etc.

    Frankly, if you've never read something like "All Star Superman" and pick it up, your first impression might be -- this feels exactly like a James Gunn film! So in that spirit, I think the new film's in safe (and interesting) hands. We're likely to see a Superman far more ripped-from-the-pages than anything we've seen onscreen before, and I think audiences are absolutely ready.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,199
    AgentM72 wrote: »
    It’s astonishing that Superman has huge rogues gallery of that the movies BARELY made use of.
    For myself -- I came up as a fan of Superman onscreen. The Fleischer cartoons, then the Donner films (which became my touchstone). Also Lois & Clark. I read some of the comics, but live-action Superman was always my favourite. I preferred seeing Superman in the real world because it felt like it made him more special, more relatable.

    I think what really kept that trend going was the George Reeves series. From what I understood they were practically forbidden from using any supervillains from the comics because of censorships being at their zenith in the 1950s. Censors didn’t want to depict fantastical villains as that would “glorify wickedness”, so Reeves’ Superman would only go up against crooks, mad scientists, gangsters, and corrupt politicians. In a way that’s kinda harkening back to the initial comics from the 30s as that’s what Superman used to fight during the Great Depression. But contrast that with what we’d see just ten years later with Adam West’s Batman fighting villains who pretty much became pop culture icons because of that show. If George Reeves had that kind of prolific rogues gallery right then in there, his series would probably be seen as equal to 60s Batman, and we would have probably seen later iterations like the movies go for those kind of colorful villains.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    It’s astonishing that Superman has huge rogues gallery of that the movies BARELY made use of.

    https://www.supermanhomepage.com/superman-related-december-2024-solicitations/

    You're right. Even the comics tend to forget them. In the mini-series Absolute Superman, it sounds like they aren't even bothering with one of Superman's villains. It sounds like Ra's Al Ghul will be a villain. While I can see why he would work for Superman, (in more ways than one), it proves our points about Superman's main villains.
    AgentM72 wrote: »
    It’s astonishing that Superman has huge rogues gallery of that the movies BARELY made use of.

    This really is something about the character most people don't know.

    For myself -- I came up as a fan of Superman onscreen. The Fleischer cartoons, then the Donner films (which became my touchstone). Also Lois & Clark. I read some of the comics, but live-action Superman was always my favourite. I preferred seeing Superman in the real world because it felt like it made him more special, more relatable.

    But in my later years, I've gone back and read many of the comics from multiple different runs. And it really is incredible how different they are (in a good way).

    Like, you can almost make a case that the Superman books are closer to being pure science fiction than what we think of as standard 'superhero fare'. The villains are cosmic, the colors and art are endlessly vibrant and inventive, the depictions of Metropolis range from familiar to otherworldly, the Krypton mythos has seemingly endless dimensions, etc.

    Frankly, if you've never read something like "All Star Superman" and pick it up, your first impression might be -- this feels exactly like a James Gunn film! So in that spirit, I think the new film's in safe (and interesting) hands. We're likely to see a Superman far more ripped-from-the-pages than anything we've seen onscreen before, and I think audiences are absolutely ready.

    All Star Superman is one of my choices for a book for my mom to read. Hopefully she will!
    AgentM72 wrote: »
    It’s astonishing that Superman has huge rogues gallery of that the movies BARELY made use of.
    For myself -- I came up as a fan of Superman onscreen. The Fleischer cartoons, then the Donner films (which became my touchstone). Also Lois & Clark. I read some of the comics, but live-action Superman was always my favourite. I preferred seeing Superman in the real world because it felt like it made him more special, more relatable.

    I think what really kept that trend going was the George Reeves series. From what I understood they were practically forbidden from using any supervillains from the comics because of censorships being at their zenith in the 1950s. Censors didn’t want to depict fantastical villains as that would “glorify wickedness”, so Reeves’ Superman would only go up against crooks, mad scientists, gangsters, and corrupt politicians. In a way that’s kinda harkening back to the initial comics from the 30s as that’s what Superman used to fight during the Great Depression. But contrast that with what we’d see just ten years later with Adam West’s Batman fighting villains who pretty much became pop culture icons because of that show. If George Reeves had that kind of prolific rogues gallery right then in there, his series would probably be seen as equal to 60s Batman, and we would have probably seen later iterations like the movies go for those kind of colorful villains.

    That's a shame for the 50's show. I could easily see Lex Luthor, Toyman (in particular), Bizarro and Brainiac fitting the series well.

    And some positive news:

    https://x.com/JeremyJLop/status/1837180960749600780

    Casting should be announced soon! Hopefully, some of her ACTUAL comic book villains will be used, including her famous cousin's!
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    The Legend of Kingdom Come - Official Clip (2024) DC Comics Documentary
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Not sure if it goes here specifically but Matthias Schoenaerts has landed the role of the villain in the upcoming Supergirl:

    https://deadline.com/2024/09/supergirl-matthias-schoenaerts-1236098221/
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Not sure if it goes here specifically but Matthias Schoenaerts has landed the role of the villain in the upcoming Supergirl:

    https://deadline.com/2024/09/supergirl-matthias-schoenaerts-1236098221/

    Supergirl news and opinions are perfectly fine in the SUPERMAN thread. I just hope that he isn't the only comic book villain.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Alan Tudyk Reportedly Cast in Secret SUPERMAN Role
    https://nerdist.com/article/superman-dcu-reportedly-cast-alan-tudyk-secret-role/
    I am all for this if true.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Alan Tudyk Reportedly Cast in Secret SUPERMAN Role
    https://nerdist.com/article/superman-dcu-reportedly-cast-alan-tudyk-secret-role/
    I am all for this if true.

    Yes, I think that he could be Brainiac. I'd be ok with that.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Alan Tudyk was excellent in I Robot and Rogue One to name a few voice acting roles, i could not think of a better choice for Brainiac.
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