Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • Posts: 5,863
    peter wrote: »
    @00Heaven , definitely a stud. But this Freakin Robot website is another example of cheap click-bait from their heading. Completely unrealistic (too old, too American, 😂).
    I wasn't entirely sure before about how reliable that site is, because I only ran into news articles from it occasionally, but that article you posted, with its clickbaity headline, is definite proof that it cannot be trusted.
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
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    talos7 wrote: »
    I can appreciate the problem that some have with his accent(s) , but damn , Hemsworth does have a great voice; it’s such a welcome contrast to that of so many young actors today, who too often have high pitched, thin voices .

    Turner also has a great deep/ commanding voice. A very important point actually.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    When I watched Casino at the cinema the other week, Craig's voice stood out to me. Bond should always have a deep commanding voice, it's hidden but integral part of the character
  • edited September 2022 Posts: 706
    talos7 wrote: »
    I can appreciate the problem that some have with his accent(s) , but damn , Hemsworth does have a great voice; it’s such a welcome contrast to that of so many young actors today, who too often have high pitched, thin voices .
    peter wrote: »
    @talos7 : too many grains and too little protein, 😂.

    I think it's excessive masturbation and tight neck muscles (bad posture). If I recall correctly Connery had to deepen his in the voice over.

    Any capable (voice) actor can lower their voice significantly.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    talos7 wrote: »
    I can appreciate the problem that some have with his accent(s) , but damn , Hemsworth does have a great voice; it’s such a welcome contrast to that of so many young actors today, who too often have high pitched, thin voices .
    peter wrote: »
    @talos7 : too many grains and too little protein, 😂.

    I think its excessive masturbation and tight neck muscles (bad posture). If I recall correctly Connery had to deepen his in the voice over.

    Any capable (voice) actor can lower their voice significantly.

    Voice of experience?
  • edited September 2022 Posts: 706
    talos7 wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    I can appreciate the problem that some have with his accent(s) , but damn , Hemsworth does have a great voice; it’s such a welcome contrast to that of so many young actors today, who too often have high pitched, thin voices .
    peter wrote: »
    @talos7 : too many grains and too little protein, 😂.

    I think its excessive masturbation and tight neck muscles (bad posture). If I recall correctly Connery had to deepen his in the voice over.

    Any capable (voice) actor can lower their voice significantly.

    Voice of experience?

    I wouldn't know. I am only guessing of course 😁 ...on behalf of a friend

    https://youtube.com/shorts/AXGx9hmLhwA?feature=share
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    excessive masturbation

    I don't know what that word means. Excessive.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I’m looking forward to Fletch, hoping it’s good.
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    When I watched Casino at the cinema the other week, Craig's voice stood out to me. Bond should always have a deep commanding voice, it's hidden but integral part of the character

    Yes I think he’s got one of the best Bond voices.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    excessive masturbation

    I don't know what that word means. Excessive.

    :))

    News, we need news!
  • QsCatQsCat London
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    Jon Hamm would be a great Felix! I absolutely loved that scene at the time, the one with YOLT. In terms of his relationship with women during Mad Men, Draper is much like Bond.
    I remember a moment where he's with a woman who is wearing a cross around her neck. He asks if she prays for forgiveness. She replies "no, I pray for you".
    Much like the bit with the last scene with Camille in Quantum.
    Hamm would have been a great Bond too, but would we want an American as Bond? I think Craig fulfilled that Draper-esque potential with the role.. Somewhat ..


  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    QsCat wrote: »
    Jon Hamm would be a great Felix! I absolutely loved that scene at the time, the one with YOLT. In terms of his relationship with women during Mad Men, Draper is much like Bond.
    I remember a moment where he's with a woman who is wearing a cross around her neck. He asks if she prays for forgiveness. She replies "no, I pray for you".
    Much like the bit with the last scene with Camille in Quantum.
    Hamm would have been a great Bond too, but would we want an American as Bond? I think Craig fulfilled that Draper-esque potential with the role.. Somewhat ..


    Pairing him with a younger Bond, as a quasi-mentor role could really work.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    talos7 wrote: »
    QsCat wrote: »
    Jon Hamm would be a great Felix! I absolutely loved that scene at the time, the one with YOLT. In terms of his relationship with women during Mad Men, Draper is much like Bond.
    I remember a moment where he's with a woman who is wearing a cross around her neck. He asks if she prays for forgiveness. She replies "no, I pray for you".
    Much like the bit with the last scene with Camille in Quantum.
    Hamm would have been a great Bond too, but would we want an American as Bond? I think Craig fulfilled that Draper-esque potential with the role.. Somewhat ..


    Pairing him with a younger Bond, as a quasi-mentor role could really work.

    That could be a really nice dynamic….
  • 00Heaven00Heaven Home
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    Was gonna say before and other's have touched on what I thought... Why restrict Felix to being just a young Felix? You could shake up that formula just a little bit.

    You're right that Hamm would be an excellent Felix too. I wouldn't mind seeing it much!
  • Agent_Zero_OneAgent_Zero_One Ireland
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    mtm wrote: »
    This is the old article from 2005 on CBN, and they did seem to have some sort of source to the production into who was considered.

    https://commanderbond.net/2995/the-men-who-could-have-been-bond.html

    Gerard Butler
    Henry Cavill
    Rupert Friend
    Daniel Goddard
    Martin Henderson
    Julian McMahon
    David Morrissey
    Alex O’Lachlan
    Ingo Rademacher
    Dougray Scott
    Christian Solimeno
    Antony Starr
    Karl Urban
    Goran Visnjic
    Dominic West
    Sam Worthington

    They knew that Cavill, Craig and Worthington may have been in the final three, and that O’Lachlan says he tested in costume, so there may have been more.
    You may be surprised to hear I thought West was pretty good as a suave secret agent in Johnny English Reborn. I think he could've pulled Bond off.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe Moderator
    edited September 2022 Posts: 13,101
    There is no salve for this thread quite like a photo of the man who should be Bond:
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    Yes! I know he might be the wrong side of 40, but still worth screen testing. I would put him as my 4th preferred choice, behind Cavill, Turner and Hoult.
  • QsCatQsCat London
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    Also, Hamm is similar to Craig in the way that they both seem to be both pursuing
    There is no salve for this thread quite like a photo of the man who should be Bond:
    e7f1830149d0bdbe6090885cb2051e51.jpg

    Yes! I know he might be the wrong side of 40, but still worth screen testing. I would put him as my 4th preferred choice, behind Cavill, Turner and Hoult.
    Hoping for none of 'em. A fresh new face ideally.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Dominic West's from Sheffield - that's a no-no for a start! ;)
  • MI6HQMI6HQ SIS Building, London, United Kingdom
    edited September 2022 Posts: 1,879
    bondywondy wrote: »
    It's worth reminding people that despite all the media attention Idris Elba has got about playing Bond - including his own self promotion! - he's not a profitable box office star. His last two films bombed at the box office.
    'Beast' has grossed $29 million domestically and $20 million overseas

    Three Thousand Years Of Longing may turn out to be the biggest flop of the year.
    Three Thousand Years of Longing arrived in the US over the weekend, but grossed just $2.88 million from 2,436 theaters, coming in at seventh place, as per Box Office Mojo.

    Three things to bear in mind: firstly, it’s Miller’s first film since Mad Max: Fury Road, which was a major critical and financial success; it’s led by Idris Elba and Tilda Swinton, two somewhat bankable stars; and most of all, Three Thousand Years of Longing has a budget of $60 million, so opening with less than $3 million in the US is a pretty harrowing forecast.

    Eon could hire Joe Shmoe with zero fame and he would have as much box office potential as Elba. Same is true for any other actor such as Cavill, Turner etc. Craig wasn't a box office name prior to Casino Royale. Amazon would probably never agree to it but you could hire a George Lazenby never acted before type and the general public wouldn't care. As soon the gun barrel opens and we see the actor firing the gun....he is James Bond. All prior acting history and box office stats are irrelevant. He'll stand or fall based on his performance.

    Yes, and the character should be bigger than any actor.

    Like when I'm watching him, I'd liked to see the character himself not the actor.
    Separate, and different.

    That's the problem these days, when I'm watching movies, I'm keep seeing the actors, it's their name that keeps popping in my head, and not the character, their just acting it out without putting the essence of the character inside of them and let it show to us.

    The character should be at the front, while the actor should be at the back, let the character do the work.

    Now, it's different, actor at the front, character was just behind.

    I should see the character, not the actor.

    I don't care whoever plays the role, I don't even require them to have an Oscar-Esque acting, I just want them (don't take this literally), to become the vessel for the possession of the character.

    Don't show me themselves, show me the character.

    That's one of the reasons why Lazenby worked with me (though he's no means my favorite) but he put the character at the front, I see Bond, there aren't any moments where Lazenby's name pops in my head, I just keep seeing Bond the whole time, means the character was bigger than the man himself, the character overshadowed the actor.

    And the same goes for Dalton, he'd let the character overshadowed him, that's why I'm keep seeing Bond the whole time and not Dalton himself.

    Nowadays, it's rare, though you could see it in Timothee Chalamet as Paul Atreides in Dune and Elizabeth Olsen as Scarlet Witch, you'd never think of the actors/actresses themselves when playing the character, because you see the character on the screen.

    The character should overshadow the actor.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lagos, Nigeria
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    The greatness and popularity of the character helps an actor settle into the role, I suppose. That's why I think there's no bad Bond actor, but just one better than the other.
  • Posts: 5,422
    Theres some news about a big announcement being made on October 5th?
    Anybody know anything about this?
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    Sounds like we can expect a monogamous or sexless Bond moving forward.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    Sounds like we can expect a monogamous or sexless Bond moving forward.

    Not sure how you arrived there, but ok
  • Posts: 11,482
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Sounds like we can expect a monogamous or sexless Bond moving forward.

    Not sure how you arrived there, but ok

    “Both Wilson and Broccoli, who is a director of the U.K. chapter of women’s advocacy org Time’s Up, have left their mark on Bond, particularly in humanizing the once-womanizing spy and ensuring more fulfilling, meatier roles for the female stars of the franchise. These are qualities that will continue in the next films, says Broccoli.

    “It’s an evolution,” she says. “Bond is evolving just as men are evolving. I don’t know who’s evolving at a faster pace.””

    Key term being “once-womanizing.”
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited September 2022 Posts: 7,321
    FoxRox wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Sounds like we can expect a monogamous or sexless Bond moving forward.

    Not sure how you arrived there, but ok

    “Both Wilson and Broccoli, who is a director of the U.K. chapter of women’s advocacy org Time’s Up, have left their mark on Bond, particularly in humanizing the once-womanizing spy and ensuring more fulfilling, meatier roles for the female stars of the franchise. These are qualities that will continue in the next films, says Broccoli.

    “It’s an evolution,” she says. “Bond is evolving just as men are evolving. I don’t know who’s evolving at a faster pace.””

    Key term being “once-womanizing.”

    Fair enough, thanks for calling that out.
    I think it's important to keep in mind those are Variety's words, not the producers'. Also I think when PWB was helping write NTTD, she went on record saying that you can sort of have both, with regards to keeping Bond's womanizing characteristics intact for the character, while also telling stories and developing other characters that have more respect for women than, say, Thunderball.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    mtm wrote: »
    This is the old article from 2005 on CBN, and they did seem to have some sort of source to the production into who was considered.

    https://commanderbond.net/2995/the-men-who-could-have-been-bond.html

    Gerard Butler
    Henry Cavill
    Rupert Friend
    Daniel Goddard
    Martin Henderson
    Julian McMahon
    David Morrissey
    Alex O’Lachlan
    Ingo Rademacher
    Dougray Scott
    Christian Solimeno
    Antony Starr
    Karl Urban
    Goran Visnjic
    Dominic West
    Sam Worthington

    They knew that Cavill, Craig and Worthington may have been in the final three, and that O’Lachlan says he tested in costume, so there may have been more.
    You may be surprised to hear I thought West was pretty good as a suave secret agent in Johnny English Reborn. I think he could've pulled Bond off.

    wonechu-what.gif
  • Posts: 11,482
    FoxRox wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Sounds like we can expect a monogamous or sexless Bond moving forward.

    Not sure how you arrived there, but ok

    “Both Wilson and Broccoli, who is a director of the U.K. chapter of women’s advocacy org Time’s Up, have left their mark on Bond, particularly in humanizing the once-womanizing spy and ensuring more fulfilling, meatier roles for the female stars of the franchise. These are qualities that will continue in the next films, says Broccoli.

    “It’s an evolution,” she says. “Bond is evolving just as men are evolving. I don’t know who’s evolving at a faster pace.””

    Key term being “once-womanizing.”

    Fair enough, thanks for calling that out.
    I think it's important to keep in mind those are Variety's words, not the producers'. Also I think when PWB was helping write NTTD, she went on record saying that you can sort of have both, with regards to keeping Bond's womanizing characteristics intact for the character, while also telling stories and developing other characters that have more respect for women than, say, Thunderball.

    Variety either jumped to a conclusion or at least the producers didn’t correct them if the suggestion was brought up - but would it really come as a surprise to anyone at this point? There was no womanizing in NTTD, which is okay enough as a one-off, but there’s an expectation / integral part of Bond’s character in general to at least be somewhat promiscuous. Like, a very big part of the identity.

    No one should be crying if Bond consensually sleeps with multiple women. Obviously certain things Bond says and does concerning women in the older movies don’t happen anymore, and that’s a reasonable and good thing for a modern interpretation to drop off. But I’ll never understand why some audiences always assume that the bad behaviors of a character in fiction are an endorsement of it. Have people lost the maturity to just take art for what it is? Anyway, I hope Bond retains being a ladies’ man as it is like a top 5 quality of his character in importance, otherwise we’ll just be straying too much from the character.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 12,052
    FoxRox wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Sounds like we can expect a monogamous or sexless Bond moving forward.

    Not sure how you arrived there, but ok

    “Both Wilson and Broccoli, who is a director of the U.K. chapter of women’s advocacy org Time’s Up, have left their mark on Bond, particularly in humanizing the once-womanizing spy and ensuring more fulfilling, meatier roles for the female stars of the franchise. These are qualities that will continue in the next films, says Broccoli.

    “It’s an evolution,” she says. “Bond is evolving just as men are evolving. I don’t know who’s evolving at a faster pace.””

    Key term being “once-womanizing.”

    Fair enough, thanks for calling that out.
    I think it's important to keep in mind those are Variety's words, not the producers'. Also I think when PWB was helping write NTTD, she went on record saying that you can sort of have both, with regards to keeping Bond's womanizing characteristics intact for the character, while also telling stories and developing other characters that have more respect for women than, say, Thunderball.

    Variety either jumped to a conclusion or at least the producers didn’t correct them if the suggestion was brought up - but would it really come as a surprise to anyone at this point? There was no womanizing in NTTD, which is okay enough as a one-off, but there’s an expectation / integral part of Bond’s character in general to at least be somewhat promiscuous. Like, a very big part of the identity.

    No one should be crying if Bond consensually sleeps with multiple women. Obviously certain things Bond says and does concerning women in the older movies don’t happen anymore, and that’s a reasonable and good thing for a modern interpretation to drop off. But I’ll never understand why some audiences always assume that the bad behaviors of a character in fiction are an endorsement of it. Have people lost the maturity to just take art for what it is? Anyway, I hope Bond retains being a ladies’ man as it is like a top 5 quality of his character in importance, otherwise we’ll just be straying too much from the character.

    I'm not massively bothered either way to be honest. You can pretty much get the effect just with two women in a film (see Daylights).
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,321
    Pretty much agree 100%. I do think it's more and more a knife's edge to walk along, where in this day and age you can have a character who womanizes, but you kind of have to be careful that you're not celebrating it, in a way.
    Really, it should make for more drama if Bond retains this characteristic in a world/story where women have more agency and are portrayed as stronger, more independent characters.
    Regardless, I do agree that this is one inextricable characteristic of Bond and should be kept.
  • edited September 2022 Posts: 1,266
    FoxRox wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Sounds like we can expect a monogamous or sexless Bond moving forward.

    Not sure how you arrived there, but ok

    “Both Wilson and Broccoli, who is a director of the U.K. chapter of women’s advocacy org Time’s Up, have left their mark on Bond, particularly in humanizing the once-womanizing spy and ensuring more fulfilling, meatier roles for the female stars of the franchise. These are qualities that will continue in the next films, says Broccoli.

    “It’s an evolution,” she says. “Bond is evolving just as men are evolving. I don’t know who’s evolving at a faster pace.””

    Key term being “once-womanizing.”

    Fair enough, thanks for calling that out.
    I think it's important to keep in mind those are Variety's words, not the producers'. Also I think when PWB was helping write NTTD, she went on record saying that you can sort of have both, with regards to keeping Bond's womanizing characteristics intact for the character, while also telling stories and developing other characters that have more respect for women than, say, Thunderball.

    I suspect it'll just mean they'll attempt to write Bond girls who are more interesting. And cut things like the barn scene from GF, or the part where Bond randomly kisses the nurse in TB (both of these sorts of things were unlikely to occur in a Bond film past 1980, probably even before, for what it's worth).

    To be fair, as much as I criticise NTTD, I do like that the main plot focused on a backstory involving Madeline. I thought it worked and felt organic. Nomi was a bit hit or miss (from a script perspective anyway, nothing to do with the actress, and in essence Bond constantly gets the better of her before they reconcile). Most people seem to have enjoyed Paloma's scenes. I'm sure they can do better though in the sense that there are some genuinely interesting possibilities for a Bond girl or even a female villain going forward that a good actress can sink her teeth into. Doesn't have to be Bond's equal or someone with a tragic backstory (personally I'd like to see them try and adapt a Pussy Galore type from the GF novel but without the weird 'Bond turns her subplot, ie. a leader of female cat burgling organisation).

    I know some people waffle on about the 'lack of sex' in NTTD, but it's nothing new. Bond in the Fleming novels often only slept with one or indeed no women at all, and definitely had a tendency to fall in love. I'm fine with Bond as a character sleeping around, having romantic moments with women, and I'm sure this will continue to be the case. That said I'm sure there's something interesting that can be explored in a future film about Bond's relationship with women (I dunno, you could have a similar set up to Fleming's TSWLM where the Bond girl is rescued by Bond in a chance encounter and years later happens to get embroiled with the same villains and seeks Bond's help. Much like in the novel, she could be infatuated with him at first, but by the end realises he's essentially a rather flawed, albeit brave man who is just as connected to danger as the villains are, and by the end they depart amiably).
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    This is the old article from 2005 on CBN, and they did seem to have some sort of source to the production into who was considered.

    https://commanderbond.net/2995/the-men-who-could-have-been-bond.html

    Gerard Butler
    Henry Cavill
    Rupert Friend
    Daniel Goddard
    Martin Henderson
    Julian McMahon
    David Morrissey
    Alex O’Lachlan
    Ingo Rademacher
    Dougray Scott
    Christian Solimeno
    Antony Starr
    Karl Urban
    Goran Visnjic
    Dominic West
    Sam Worthington

    They knew that Cavill, Craig and Worthington may have been in the final three, and that O’Lachlan says he tested in costume, so there may have been more.
    You may be surprised to hear I thought West was pretty good as a suave secret agent in Johnny English Reborn. I think he could've pulled Bond off.

    wonechu-what.gif

    Lol, that made my day.
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