Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    talos7 wrote: »
    This brings up a well worn debate. I think the last three MI films are, for the most part, superior to the last three Bond films. But I do agree that Bond is the more iconic character and franchise.
    The last time I watched RN I did a little experiment; In my minds eye I replaced Hunt with Bond. I pictured Craig in place of Cruise. While some adjustments would have to made, the results were exactly what I want in a modern Bond. The opera scene unparticular was incredible viewed this way.

    +1
  • Agnes_007Agnes_007 Manchester, UK
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    @MichaelBrown Interesting question, I'd have to say Tom Hiddleston personally, but I suppose it's all down to taste! :-?
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    I said Turner might turn out to be Brosnan 2.0 yet there's something Brosnan had Turner will not: a plebiscite. Almost everybody were enthusiastic about Brosnan's casting as Bond. At least outside the Bond fanbase. Turner would not have this chance. Neither does he have (from what I have seen) Craig's acting skills or gift as an actor to prove the skeptics wrong.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Filling this board with pictures and clips of Turner, only strengthens my conviction that he is unfit for the role.
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    Filling this board with pictures and clips of Turner, only strengthens my conviction that he is unfit for the role.
    +1 Dr Thunderfinger...

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    barryt007 wrote: »
    Filling this board with pictures and clips of Turner, only strengthens my conviction that he is unfit for the role.
    +1 Dr Thunderfinger...

    Like I said: do you remember his performance in The Hobbit? Me neither.
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    Filling this board with pictures and clips of Turner, only strengthens my conviction that he is unfit for the role.

    Couldn't agree more.

  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Filling this board with pictures and clips of Turner, only strengthens my conviction that he is unfit for the role.
    +1 Dr Thunderfinger...

    Like I said: do you remember his performance in The Hobbit? Me neither.

    The only thing memorable was the giantess element to that love story ....and that Turner was the prettiest hobbit. Beyond that I really don't remember anything either.
  • edited December 2016 Posts: 19,339
    By the way,if you want to check out Dan Stevens as a possible Bond,there is a premier of 'The Guest' tonight on C4 12:15-02:00 ...he plays a US Special Ops back from a mission who poses as a friend of the families late son...he plays an American ,but he is TOTALLY English...im going to record it and have a look,although i know him well from Downton Abbey and other things..
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    Filling this board with pictures and clips of Turner, only strengthens my conviction that he is unfit for the role.
    +1 Dr Thunderfinger...

    +2 well said.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    dalton wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Filling this board with pictures and clips of Turner, only strengthens my conviction that he is unfit for the role.
    +1 Dr Thunderfinger...
    +2 well said.
    Couldn't agree more.

    Like I said: do you remember his performance in The Hobbit? Me neither.

    The only thing memorable was the giantess element to that love story ....and that Turner was the prettiest hobbit. Beyond that I really don't remember anything either.
    Sadly, I must +6, although I realize it's improper to judge a book by its cover.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @bondjames, that's what I think is amazing about the 007 franchise: one would think that with almost sixty years on screen and twenty-four films, the global audience would go for something more fresh like M:I, Bourne, TMFU, but, no, in this crowded market place, 007 consistently beats all the challengers.

    I agree about the peeling back the history of Bond. It has to stop. But, I do believe in making the next one "personal", in so far as Bond vs Blofeld. It should be two men hating each other passionately. Both their egos have been battered by the other. No, not jealous step brothers, but an agent for good vs an agent of overwhelming hubris/greed.

    I desire a more suspenseful, desperate Bond adventure. Babs and company know they have a brilliant actor in the lead role. Their job now is to shepherd in the proper script for "25". Use DC's acting abilities to the hilt, and allow him to be physical and forceful in the action.

    Unleash the full potential of DC's 007. A mixture of CR/QoS. Put the character on unsteady ground. Make it look like this time Blofeld has trumped Bond and he's been backed into a corner (many of the novels have Bond stranded in the corner, desperate, and relying on his wits and survival instinct).

    No gadgets. We live in a world of gadgets, so anything Bond uses should be of this world. It was different in the 60s and 70s, but today we can do anything on our phones! So gadgets don't excite me.

    Having a man in a corner, with his two fists and a gun, against an overwhelming force of nature in SPECTRE and Blofeld, that's exciting.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    @peter, what you describe is precisely what I was hoping for with SP. After SF, and after hearing that Blofeld was back, I thought that this was exactly the direction that Craig and Mendes would go in. Unfortunately, they gave us the convoluted mess that was SP, essentially emasculating Craig's dynamic energy.

    So credibility has been lost with me, and given we only see these films once every 3 (or is that 4?) years these days, my patience is wearing very thin with the current team. At least for me, most of the good will that Craig brought in so enthusiastically with his masterful performances in CR/QoS (which were a decade and almost a decade ago respectively) is pretty much gone.

    I'm open to one more chance, but they'd better deliver.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    they have the talent to deliver, @bondjames, or at least the rolodex to all the talent in the world, however, I have my fingers crossed that Mendes is not a part of this, or any future Bond film.

    They do need a Villeneuve, or someone like that. I find Mendes doesn't have a complete grasp of the character. As a story-teller he lost the plot on who 007 was, and tried too hard to do his greatest hits with SP.

    Granted, by the time they hired and fired and re-hired writers, with a looming deadline, maybe the greatest hits package we got is all they had time for.

    I hope the script development is different on "25".

    But as far as Mendes goes: I don't think he's got any juice left. If anyone's "tired", I'd expect it'd be him. We need a rugged director to give us a rugged Bond adventure.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    bondjames wrote: »
    @peter, what you describe is precisely what I was hoping for with SP. After SF, and after hearing that Blofeld was back, I thought that this was exactly the direction that Craig and Mendes would go in. Unfortunately, they gave us the convoluted mess that was SP, essentially emasculating Craig's dynamic energy.

    So credibility has been lost with me, and given we only see these films once every 3 (or is that 4?) years these days, my patience is wearing very thin with the current team. At least for me, most of the good will that Craig brought in so enthusiastically with his masterful performances in CR/QoS (which were a decade and almost a decade ago respectively) is pretty much gone.

    I'm open to one more chance, but they'd better deliver.

    Sadly I agree... I won't leave Bond. I'll stay and be faithful and hopefully wait it out until hopefully EoN recalibrates back to reality.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @mcdonbb, EoN seems pretty good at learning from mistakes, For every TMWTGG there is a SWLM, for every MR a FYEO; AVTAK, a TLD; DAD, CR.

    They know they had a shit-show on their hands last time. From the Sony leaks, down to all the script problems; to DC unfortunately injuring his knee, to the mediocre reception to the finished film, especially in NA.

    They're no dummies.

    I expect them to climb back on the horse and deliver for "25". And that's why I expect them to do this with their man DC (through all the ups and downs, globally, he's come out of everything respected and unscathed; he's bank).
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I think it's a little misguided to claim that people mostly file into the cinemas to watch a Craig performance. He's no Tom Cruise, or Will Smith or whoever. If he had that kind of power, he would have had more mainstream success outside of Bond by now, but it hasn't happened. Not that Craig hasn't tried, but everything from Golden Compass to Cowboys and Aliens have failed to resonate with a general audience, and Craig has failed repeatedly to endear to the public as a traditional leading man. I doubt the masses feel very different about Craig than they did about Brosnan during the late 90's, i.e. they love him because he's the current Bond - That's pretty typical

    The main reason for the Craig era success is not down to Craig's performance as such, but because both Casino and Skyfall were very timely, well produced films that found a place in the zeitgeist, and both films led to a follow up that largely coasted on the good will of it's predecessor. I'm glad people are a fan of the Craig films and Craig himself, but I also look forward to the time when we can look back with a bit more objectivity, and reappraise this era with some perspective.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    DC is bank as Bond @Mendes, there is no denying. People love his physicality, and at least three out of four of his films make the films from the 90s look inferior.

    And as far as other roles DC has played in, The Golden Compass wasn't a DC vehicle. He was a supporting role. GWDT was an amazing film, very dark, very R-rated, released at Christmas time. It made bank, but, even then, DC was more of a co-star. It wasn't exactly a leading man type of role. Same thing with Defiance; he shared the screen with his co-stars.

    So, unlike Cruise et al, DC tends not to look for big hollywood type, leading man action films outside of Bond. He chooses for variety. Not more of the same.

    So you're actually comparing apples to oranges my friend.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I agree that Craig is bank as Bond, but so was Brosnan, and Moore, and Connery. That's nothing new, or different. Even Dalton and Lazenby made bank for EON.

    I also agree that the Craig films make the Brosnan films look inferior, but that's not down to Craig, that's down to better directors, better cinematography, better actors etc. Essentially EON have taken a lot more care with the aesthetics of these films than they did in the 90's.

    General audiences are happy with Craig, don't get me wrong, but it's not as if he is the monolith holding the whole franchise together. In fact what makes the Bond franchise so unique, or it used to, was that the audience was already primed with the knowledge that a new guy would fill the tux every few years, and they accepted it.

    There would be a brief period of reflection, and the Craig era will always have it's fans, but I doubt the news of Craig's departure would really effect the public much. Most people are probably starting to think that Craig is getting on a bit, and anticipating a changing of the guard on the horizon. That's just how Bond works.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @Mendes, when was this ever the case:

    "the audience was already primed with the knowledge that a new guy would fill the tux every few years, and they accepted it"...???

    I don't think the general audience is ever primed and ready for someone else "every few years"... That's a truly odd statement.

    And as for Craig being the monolith holding the franchise together, uh, yes he is. Not since Connery has a Bond been so universally praised-- overcoming a devastating start where the media and fans alike took to trying to destroy the man before they had even seen one clip!

    So, no, @Mendes, to compare Brozzer (who EVERYONE wanted to be Bond (as in the general audience; when he was cast, it was like he was ordained), to Craig (who was attacked relentlessly), is just plain wrong. And, in spite of the negativity, Craig came out on top, his performances since have been praised universally praised, and he makes Brozzer (who I do like), seem very wooden and one dimensional.

    You'd like to see history as being different, but, I'm afraid, your perception is not reality. What other actor had taken such abuse BEFORE one scene of the film had been released. It was DC's talent that elevated an already wonderful project in CR, and it's his continued talent that elevates the weaker entries (SP).
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    peter wrote: »
    @Mendes, when was this ever the case:

    "the audience was already primed with the knowledge that a new guy would fill the tux every few years, and they accepted it"...???

    I don't think the general audience is ever primed and ready for someone else "every few years"... That's a truly odd statement.

    And as for Craig being the monolith holding the franchise together, uh, yes he is. Not since Connery has a Bond been so universally praised-- overcoming a devastating start where the media and fans alike took to trying to destroy the man before they had even seen one clip!

    So, no, @Mendes, to compare Brozzer (who EVERYONE wanted to be Bond (as in the general audience; when he was cast, it was like he was ordained), to Craig (who was attacked relentlessly), is just plain wrong. And, in spite of the negativity, Craig came out on top, his performances since have been praised universally praised, and he makes Brozzer (who I do like), seem very wooden and one dimensional.

    You'd like to see history as being different, but, I'm afraid, your perception is not reality. What other actor had taken such abuse BEFORE one scene of the film had been released. It was DC's talent that elevated an already wonderful project in CR, and it's his continued talent that elevates the weaker entries (SP).

    Daniel Craig is not universally praised as Bond, in fact, no Bond is. Some are praised more that other, but none are universally praised.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    also, @Mendes:

    "the audience was already primed with the knowledge that a new guy would fill the tux every few years, and they accepted it"... Tell that to Laz and Dalts... Even Moore suffered indifference to his first two films... 007 in '74, was on shaky ground (as he was in '89-'95)
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I think Live And Let Die, adjusted for inflation is like the 4th or 5th highest grossing Bond film, if I'm not mistaken. And Lazenby and Dalton both made bank, as you put it. License to Kill, the least successful Bond film, still made EON bank. Cubby was more than happy to continue with Dalton.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I think EON is far more concerned with critical acclaim than money to be honest. As you said, all these films make bank. If they were just in it for the cash, they wouldn't have switched gears after MR and after DAD. They like Bond to be relevant and edgy. They don't want him to be culturally irrelevant (which I'd argue he was becoming during the late 90's). So if they feel they're losing the plot again, they'll shake it up regardless of the box office trend. If they're happy with things, they'll continue as they have been.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I think EON is far more concerned with critical acclaim than money to be honest. As you said, all these films make bank. If they were just in it for the cash, they wouldn't have switched gears after MR and after DAD. They like Bond to be relevant and edgy. They don't want him to be culturally irrelevant (which I'd argue he was becoming during the late 90's). So if they feel they're losing the plot again, they'll shake it up regardless of the box office trend. If they're happy with things, they'll continue as they have been.

    I agree.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @major : correction: a favorable, global praise was showered on Craig's performances.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    peter wrote: »
    @major : correction: a favorable, global praise was showered on Craig's performances.

    If not everyone rates him that highly, then it's not universal or completely favourable.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @Major, I get that, hence my correction.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    but, @Major, instead of arguing semantics, what about looking at a sweeping statement like:

    "the audience was already primed with the knowledge that a new guy would fill the tux every few years, and they accepted it."

    Would Laz agree with this? Dalts? Early Moore?

    DC was beaten to a pulp before his first scene was released, and he overcame the vitriol to global praise, a praise that put an end to Bond as a fluff pop culture character that was losing relevancy by 2002...
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @Major and @Mendes, I would say that DC is responsible for breathing fresh oxygen into Bond. By 2002, it's like Bond had taken his last step as an important, iconic figure, and was now a caricature (nothing against Brozzer).

    Craig ignited the fuel and destroyed the caricature.

    Some say, oh it was, Mads, or, it was Eva, and yes, I agree, they were a part of the recipe, but, if the lead actor couldn't portray a hero we could back, CR would have been an absolute failure.

    DC was the monolithic piece of the puzzle that has held everything together from CR to SP.

    If he isn't, and wasn't, then tell me what was that magic component to make Bond relevant to the modern audience ('cause I don't think it was Forster or Mendes, nor Haggis, or even Babs or Wilson, or Mads or Green, or Javier Bardem)...
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