Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • buddyoldchapbuddyoldchap Formerly known as JeremyBondon
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    Benny wrote: »
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I saw the trailer for Slow Horses season 3 the other day. Sope Dirisu really stood out. If it comes down to screen presence he’ll take the role.

    Sope does have a real screen presence, he's a talented actor no doubt

    Sope would still rank very highly as a great potential Bond for me.
    He has screen presence, a good Bondian look, strong voice, tons of charisma, confidence, looks like he could kick the crap out of you. He really does possess, the complete Bond package.
    I really hope EON have him in their sights.

    The only thing I would disagree with here is the good Bondian look. He looks nothing like the traditional Bondian screen image, which arguably for most people is a cross between Brozza/Dalton/Connery and Laz - all tall, white, dark haired left parting, but with either blue eyes or brown eyes.

    Craig doesn't even fit the traditional Bondian look, and Moore is a struggle too, despite other attributes they both brought to the role.

    To me Sope would be a big no, because he doesn't tally with Fleming's original description. I still think that is the benchmark, the target, the blueprint - to physically resemble what Fleming wrote in the books. I know others will disagree, but hey ho.

    He doesn't fit the Fleming look for Bond, but I think Sope has a Bondian look as far as he has a strong masculine look. An intensity and a brooding look. You could believe he was a Bond that had experience, who has lived, could be a womanizer.
    Obviously not such a Fleming inspired look, but even Connery didn't fully posses that look. ;)

    I feel Sope would be an excellent '006' or perhaps the lead henchman. Bond? Nope for Sope.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    It's funny how are we talking about the actors that bear closely to Fleming's illustration of the character, when Fleming's personal choice to play Bond in the first place didn't looked like the Bond in his sketch either: David Niven.
  • edited June 2023 Posts: 3,381
    I suppose it's worth noting that no casting director would ever, even in the 1960s, pick candidates for Bond based on how much they looked like a young Hoagey Carmichael. Casting for DN is an interesting one because I get the sense there was quite a bit of discussion over what readers expected of the James Bond in the novels, and in turn what viewers expected from an onscreen version. Niven as a choice makes sense (although I think it's a myth that Fleming wanted him for the role, and I'm unsure if he was ever seriously considered) because he's rather gentlemanly, distinguished, certainly classically handsome. It was a sort of image of Bond some people came to expect from the novels alone. Of course there's also that darker, more dangerous side to Bond, and one gets the sense that American audiences especially might have been used to seeing actors such as Humphrey Bogart take up such 'flawed hero' roles in the past. Perhaps it was simply seen as an old fashioned depiction of Bond being that quintessentially English 'gentleman spy' (and not necessarily 100% true to the literary character either). From what I can gather, during the casting of DN there was a contention between going for the former type (more a Trevor Howard or Rex Harrison) over a more gritty or 'rough round the edges' actor such as Stanley Baker or indeed Sean Connery.

    I think what it comes down to with any actor's appearance isn't so much whether they fit a list of superficial qualities but what their appearance, in tandem with their performance, conveys about their take on Bond. And indeed whether that take on the role is the right one.
  • 007HallY wrote: »
    Doubtful. A 20-something lad wouldn't be in the same lane as an experienced field agent.

    There are potentially actors in their 20s who a) simply look a bit older and b) can convey the right amount of world weariness. Again, I’m being hypothetical though. Worth saying there has been a Bond to play the part in his 20s (Lazenby) so it’s possible.
    Venutius wrote: »
    No, no, it's a completely valid point. Prior to Dan, most people had a clear idea of what 'James Bond' looked like - Connery, Dalton, Brosnan. It's perfectly acceptable to prefer and want an actor who fits that look. Cubby certainly did - he famously rejected BB's suggestion of Sean Bean, simply on looks/height alone. That suggests that Cubby probably wouldn't have hired Dan either and would probably have gone with someone who had the classic look, such as Adrian Paul. I've often wondered if Craig broke the mould, though, and that the traditional movie Bond look isn't a consideration for EON any more? Dunno.

    I think Moore may have broken the mould back in the 70’s with his Sandy Brown Hair. He’s not exactly close in looks to Connery and Lazenby, and certainly was a far cry from looking like Fleming’s Bond. But Craig was a much further departure from the “Traditional Bond” looks.

    To be fair to Craig he does have those icy blue eyes and cruel mouth which stand out so much about the literary Bond. So I never thought he was quite as ‘non-traditional’ as many have claimed. I’d argue Connery with his noticeable Scottish accent (and looks which aren’t comparable to Hoagey Carmichael) was slightly further away from Fleming’s Bond than Craig was in some weird way.

    Well none of the Bond actors look like Hoagy Carmichael really. But at least the likes of Connery, Laz, Dalton, and Brosnan were closer to that description than both Moore and Craig were. That isn’t a put down on either of them as well, it’s great that while Moore and Craig don’t look like your “typical” Bond, they still inhibit all the necessary traits. I still buy Craig and Moore as Bond due to their acting skills. I agree about Craig’s features though. He does have that ‘cruel mouth’ Fleming describes in Casino Royale.

    Craig looks closest to Hoagy Carmichael. I believe it's in part why he got the Bond role.

    Craig doesn’t really look anything like Hoagy Charmichael though, as @jetsetwilly had pointed out.
  • edited June 2023 Posts: 3,381
    Not going to lie, I really do see flashes of Craig in this photo of Carmichael.

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    It's probably simply because he's older in that photo. Maybe just the angle which makes the nose look similar. The literary Bond is said to look like a young Carmichael anyway.

    But like I said, it's completely irrelevant in the context of casting Bond. Even when taking the novels into account the Carmichael similarity is only mentioned twice and it's a highly superficial detail, the opinion of other characters. Most people reading the books today have absolutely no idea who Carmichael is anyway.

    What's important about Bond is that he's a good looking man who has dark aspects of his appearance which stand out - the cold grey blue eyes, a cruel mouth, a scar on his cheek. There's just 'something about him' that's different. In MR it's stated that he looks somewhat out of place in a private member's club to the point where he's even 'alien and un-English'. It's these intangible aspects of the character - that sense of danger, darkness, intrigue - that an actor needs to embody, not looking like Hoagey Carmichael.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Not going to lie, I really do see flashes of Craig in this photo of Carmichael.

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    It's probably simply because he's older in that photo. Maybe just the angle which makes the nose look similar. The literary Bond is said to look like a young Carmichael anyway.

    But like I said, it's completely irrelevant in the context of casting Bond. Even when taking the novels into account the Carmichael similarity is only mentioned twice and it's a highly superficial detail, the opinion of other characters. Most people reading the books today have absolutely no idea who Carmichael is anyway.

    What's important about Bond is that he's a good looking man who has dark aspects of his appearance which stand out - the cold grey blue eyes, a cruel mouth, a scar on his cheek. There's just 'something about him' that's different. In MR it's stated that he looks somewhat out of place in a private member's club to the point where he's even 'alien and un-English'. It's these intangible aspects of the character - that sense of danger, darkness, intrigue - that an actor needs to embody, not looking like Hoagey Carmichael.

    Watch Love Is The Devil: Study For A Portrait of Francis Bacon, and see Craig's look in there.
  • buddyoldchapbuddyoldchap Formerly known as JeremyBondon
    edited June 2023 Posts: 166
    They look nothing alike. One looks Italian, the other Russian. They're both men?
  • edited June 2023 Posts: 3,381
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Not going to lie, I really do see flashes of Craig in this photo of Carmichael.

    hoagy-carmichael-james-bond.jpg

    It's probably simply because he's older in that photo. Maybe just the angle which makes the nose look similar. The literary Bond is said to look like a young Carmichael anyway.

    But like I said, it's completely irrelevant in the context of casting Bond. Even when taking the novels into account the Carmichael similarity is only mentioned twice and it's a highly superficial detail, the opinion of other characters. Most people reading the books today have absolutely no idea who Carmichael is anyway.

    What's important about Bond is that he's a good looking man who has dark aspects of his appearance which stand out - the cold grey blue eyes, a cruel mouth, a scar on his cheek. There's just 'something about him' that's different. In MR it's stated that he looks somewhat out of place in a private member's club to the point where he's even 'alien and un-English'. It's these intangible aspects of the character - that sense of danger, darkness, intrigue - that an actor needs to embody, not looking like Hoagey Carmichael.

    Watch Love Is The Devil: Study For A Portrait of Francis Bacon, and see Craig's look in there.

    Oh yes he's got black hair and eyebrows in that.

    Very glad they never decided to dye it for his Bond portrayal though! It's fine for that film, but Craig's shorter dark blond hair is a bit more natural and in-keeping with his Bond.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Yeah, Dan doesn't suit dyed dark hair, tbf. EON made the right decision not to go that route, I reckon.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Venutius wrote: »
    Yeah, Dan doesn't suit dyed dark hair, tbf. EON made the right decision not to go that route, I reckon.

    100%
    It would’ve been a huge mistake too the series as a whole.
  • Having seen the photos now, I must say Dan with Black Hair does resemble Literary Bond quite a bit, I’m actually quite shocked. Still I agree with others when they say it doesn’t quite suit him as much as his natural color.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Doubtful. A 20-something lad wouldn't be in the same lane as an experienced field agent.

    There are potentially actors in their 20s who a) simply look a bit older and b) can convey the right amount of world weariness. Again, I’m being hypothetical though. Worth saying there has been a Bond to play the part in his 20s (Lazenby) so it’s possible.
    Venutius wrote: »
    No, no, it's a completely valid point. Prior to Dan, most people had a clear idea of what 'James Bond' looked like - Connery, Dalton, Brosnan. It's perfectly acceptable to prefer and want an actor who fits that look. Cubby certainly did - he famously rejected BB's suggestion of Sean Bean, simply on looks/height alone. That suggests that Cubby probably wouldn't have hired Dan either and would probably have gone with someone who had the classic look, such as Adrian Paul. I've often wondered if Craig broke the mould, though, and that the traditional movie Bond look isn't a consideration for EON any more? Dunno.

    I think Moore may have broken the mould back in the 70’s with his Sandy Brown Hair. He’s not exactly close in looks to Connery and Lazenby, and certainly was a far cry from looking like Fleming’s Bond. But Craig was a much further departure from the “Traditional Bond” looks.

    To be fair to Craig he does have those icy blue eyes and cruel mouth which stand out so much about the literary Bond. So I never thought he was quite as ‘non-traditional’ as many have claimed. I’d argue Connery with his noticeable Scottish accent (and looks which aren’t comparable to Hoagey Carmichael) was slightly further away from Fleming’s Bond than Craig was in some weird way.

    Well none of the Bond actors look like Hoagy Carmichael really. But at least the likes of Connery, Laz, Dalton, and Brosnan were closer to that description than both Moore and Craig were. That isn’t a put down on either of them as well, it’s great that while Moore and Craig don’t look like your “typical” Bond, they still inhibit all the necessary traits. I still buy Craig and Moore as Bond due to their acting skills. I agree about Craig’s features though. He does have that ‘cruel mouth’ Fleming describes in Casino Royale.

    Craig looks closest to Hoagy Carmichael. I believe it's in part why he got the Bond role.

    Craig doesn’t really look anything like Hoagy Charmichael though, as @jetsetwilly had pointed out.

    The nose, the mouth, etc.

    It's been noted over time.

    2005
    https://commanderbond.net/2925/is-craig-close-to-becoming-007.html
    Likewise, the very reliable Stax over at IGN FilmForce reports, “IGN FilmForce has also heard from reliable sources that Craig is the man for the job but have not been able to confirm.” In their report, IGN offers up a picture of Hoagy Carmichael — whom Fleming said was his ideal model of what 007 should look like — noting the similarity in appearance to Daniel Craig.

    https://www.radiotimes.com/movies/james-bond-casino-royale-director-daniel-craig-reservations-newsupdate/
    He added: "You know, there was a stereotype, if you see what I mean, with those three characters. And Daniel, of course, is much more like Ian Fleming’s conception of that part. I think it was Hoagy Carmichael, he said would be the perfect Bond. He was a Bond for the time, basically whenever we started. I think in 2006 we made Casino [Royale], and he was just perfect for the complete reboot, to be honest, which was much more reality based."

    https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/james-bond-007-history
    Campbell: The appeal for me was that you reboot and go back to the tone of the books and get to work with someone like Daniel, who is a superb actor and probably fits Fleming's description of Bond better than anyone. Fleming always thought Bond should look like Hoagy Carmichael.



  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Not a red herring
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    They look a little bit alike when they smile.
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  • edited June 2023 Posts: 2,158
    007HallY wrote: »
    Doubtful. A 20-something lad wouldn't be in the same lane as an experienced field agent.

    There are potentially actors in their 20s who a) simply look a bit older and b) can convey the right amount of world weariness. Again, I’m being hypothetical though. Worth saying there has been a Bond to play the part in his 20s (Lazenby) so it’s possible.
    Venutius wrote: »
    No, no, it's a completely valid point. Prior to Dan, most people had a clear idea of what 'James Bond' looked like - Connery, Dalton, Brosnan. It's perfectly acceptable to prefer and want an actor who fits that look. Cubby certainly did - he famously rejected BB's suggestion of Sean Bean, simply on looks/height alone. That suggests that Cubby probably wouldn't have hired Dan either and would probably have gone with someone who had the classic look, such as Adrian Paul. I've often wondered if Craig broke the mould, though, and that the traditional movie Bond look isn't a consideration for EON any more? Dunno.

    I think Moore may have broken the mould back in the 70’s with his Sandy Brown Hair. He’s not exactly close in looks to Connery and Lazenby, and certainly was a far cry from looking like Fleming’s Bond. But Craig was a much further departure from the “Traditional Bond” looks.

    To be fair to Craig he does have those icy blue eyes and cruel mouth which stand out so much about the literary Bond. So I never thought he was quite as ‘non-traditional’ as many have claimed. I’d argue Connery with his noticeable Scottish accent (and looks which aren’t comparable to Hoagey Carmichael) was slightly further away from Fleming’s Bond than Craig was in some weird way.

    Well none of the Bond actors look like Hoagy Carmichael really. But at least the likes of Connery, Laz, Dalton, and Brosnan were closer to that description than both Moore and Craig were. That isn’t a put down on either of them as well, it’s great that while Moore and Craig don’t look like your “typical” Bond, they still inhibit all the necessary traits. I still buy Craig and Moore as Bond due to their acting skills. I agree about Craig’s features though. He does have that ‘cruel mouth’ Fleming describes in Casino Royale.

    Craig looks closest to Hoagy Carmichael. I believe it's in part why he got the Bond role.

    Craig doesn’t really look anything like Hoagy Charmichael though, as @jetsetwilly had pointed out.

    The nose, the mouth, etc.

    It's been noted over time.

    2005
    https://commanderbond.net/2925/is-craig-close-to-becoming-007.html
    Likewise, the very reliable Stax over at IGN FilmForce reports, “IGN FilmForce has also heard from reliable sources that Craig is the man for the job but have not been able to confirm.” In their report, IGN offers up a picture of Hoagy Carmichael — whom Fleming said was his ideal model of what 007 should look like — noting the similarity in appearance to Daniel Craig.

    https://www.radiotimes.com/movies/james-bond-casino-royale-director-daniel-craig-reservations-newsupdate/
    He added: "You know, there was a stereotype, if you see what I mean, with those three characters. And Daniel, of course, is much more like Ian Fleming’s conception of that part. I think it was Hoagy Carmichael, he said would be the perfect Bond. He was a Bond for the time, basically whenever we started. I think in 2006 we made Casino [Royale], and he was just perfect for the complete reboot, to be honest, which was much more reality based."

    https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/james-bond-007-history
    Campbell: The appeal for me was that you reboot and go back to the tone of the books and get to work with someone like Daniel, who is a superb actor and probably fits Fleming's description of Bond better than anyone. Fleming always thought Bond should look like Hoagy Carmichael.



    I admit Craig’s appearance in Love Is The Devil makes him look an awful lot like Carmichael, and yes the mouths and noses are quite similar, but that’s also largely down to having the man’s hair and eyebrows dyed black, and as many have pointed, that look probably wouldn’t have worked for his Bond. But I still fail to see any sort of semblance between Craig during his tenure as Bond/how he naturally looks and Hoagy Carmichael. Nor do I see much of a resemblance to Fleming’s description as well. He does have the “cruel mouth” that Fleming describes, and those Blue eyes as well, but aside from those examples, nothing really stands out to me. He doesn’t have the scar on the right cheek, they don’t give him the slicked back hair with the coma above the eyebrow, and I certainly don’t think that Fleming’s Bond is as built physically as Craig’s either. I’ve been looking at images of the Craig and Carmichael/Fleming’s illustration on and off for most of the day, and I still just don’t see anything it unless it’s from the aforementioned film above. Perhaps that’s just a fault with my eyes. Maybe if his haircuts weren’t so short I could see it better? Besides, even if there was some slight resemblance between Craig/Carmichael, I don’t think it was the major deciding factor in his casting. Plus if rumors are suggested, Campbell was pushing heavy for a young Henry Cavil to get the part, and he looks nothing like Fleming’s Bond, or Carmichael.

    Regardless, the whole discussion isn’t exactly the point I was trying to drive at earlier, and I think I should make myself a bit clearer. When you take a look at all six actors, they all bear little/no resemblance to Fleming’s Bond/Carmichael at all. Connery, Lazenby, Dalton, and Brosnan all fit Fleming’s loose stereotype for the character (tall, and dark haired), while both Moore and Craig are a bit further away from the “typical” look of the character, but that ISN’T and SHOULDN’T be viewed as detrimental to their portrayals. I don’t view each Bond actor as needing to be completely faithful to the works of Fleming, but they need be a compelling in their own way. Bond should stand out in a crowd, project himself with confidence, be suave and humorous, but have an air of danger as well. A wolf in sheep’s clothing. Now some of the Bond actors portray these aspects better than others, and at the end of the day Connery’s Bond will always be viewed in such high regard, but EON have always nailed it with the casting of Bond in the respect (yes; even Lazenby!)

    To Quote Michael Reed;
    “If they can find an actor with the ruthlessness of Jack Palance, and the charm of Cary Grant, they would have a good James Bond.”

    As for the next Bond, I’m trusting the Broccoli’s with who they pick. So I’ve got no dogs in this race.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    They look a little bit alike when they smile.
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    In that moment Daniel always reminds me of Fleming's description of Bond
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    He admits, "I was asked to dye my hair brown to play this role but it was out of the question. I suggested instead that I could cut my hair really short to create a more brutal appearance."
    Daniel talking about his haircut in Casino
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    Right on time, nice to hear Calvin's thoughts on some of them. I do disagree on Theo James and Tom Hughes, but I agree on pretty much all the others
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I don’t agree with all of his assessments, but very fairly done and enjoyable.
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    Venutius wrote: »
    Sope's the outstanding candidate for me, for all the reasons just recounted. He makes most of the other names look like the proverbial boys trying to do a man's job. I'm not someone who wants Bond to be black for whatever reason or agenda - I just think that Sope really is the best man for the job.
    Thing is, BB's said that they want the next actor to play Bond for a decade - which means that if they don't go with Sope this time, he'll have aged out when it's time to cast the 8th Bond. So, for Sope, it's pretty much now or never. Said it before, but I'm not sure that EON are quite ready to take the leap, tbh.

    I have always been an advocate for casting a person of colour as James Bond. However, if such a decision were made, it would likely be driven by financial considerations rather than political or moral ones. While films have occasionally cast minor or supporting roles with actors of different ethnicities than previously depicted, there are few examples of this happening with the lead role, one being The Little Mermaid. Unfortunately, despite its impressive domestic numbers, the film encountered significant international underperformance and became a subject of political debate. Since the Bond franchise heavily relies on international ticket sales, it's understandable why EON would be hesitant to take such a risk if the audience isn't showing enthusiasm overseas. Furthermore, the success of the Spider-Verse movies suggests that audiences are open to seeing diverse characters in established properties when they are introduced to new characters instead of seeing classic characters change significantly.

    EON is likely to prioritise caution over potential controversy, given that the franchise is primarily a financial endeavour for them. This cautious approach is not surprising, considering the significant stakes involved. Personally, I would like to see another "origin" film that explores Bond's earlier years before he joined the secret service. Casino Royale introduced a mid-30s Bond on his first 00 mission, but it would be truly unique to witness the events that led to his recruitment and caught the attention of the service and M.

    Speaking of casting choices, Jacob Elordi, a talented actor who recently made an impression at the Tribeca Film Festival, is still one of my leading contenders. With his undeniable charm and striking looks, Elordi could bring a fresh perspective to portraying a young Bond during his formative years. Personally, I am fully supportive of a film that focuses on Bond's audition for 00 status. There is still much to explore regarding his career before becoming 007, including the formative events that shaped his persona.

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    Barry Keoghan captures my attention as a potential Bond candidate due to his intriguing and distinctive energy. There's a certain "weird" quality about him that feels refreshingly new. On the other hand, Paul Mescal stands out as another top contender in my opinion. He possesses an undeniable resemblance to the magnetic presence of Marlon Brando—a blend of masculinity, vulnerability, and a delicate yet bruised demeanour. Mescal not only embodies these qualities but also aligns with the type of actor that EON now seeks. Notably, his recent appearance in the film Carmen showcased a Bond-like aura.

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  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    Neither of those look like Bond. The first looks like an American Quarterback and the second looks like a butcher.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited June 2023 Posts: 3,020
    Well, I've never wanted a black actor to play James Bond just for the sake of having a black actor play James Bond. I don't think political or moral issues should have any influence on the casting of Bond - the role should go to the best man for the job. For me, Sope's that man. That's literally all there is to it from my point of view.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    Nice suggestions mate but I'm not a fan of either for Bond to be honest. Elordi just looks too soft and youthful (also he's Australian) and Mescal just looks very ordinary. Neither strike me as Bondian
  • To be fair to Mescal, he does look better when he doesn't have his normal hair style, and has a more traditional, combed over one instead. And when clean shaven as well. It's like he purposely chooses the hair style that makes him look the most ordinary/ugly to have most of the time.

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    Also, keep in mind he is still in his 20s.
  • edited June 2023 Posts: 3,381
    Mescal's a wild card, but I do think there's something about him. I've said before his performance in Aftersun stood out for me not only because it was good, but because I felt he convincingly played a 31 year old with all the world weariness and dissatisfaction of that character (which is impressive considering the character he plays is rather immature. It surprised me to learn he's around my age/in his mid 20s). In that way I don't think he's limited by them needing a younger actor for a 'Bond origin story' (I don't think such a concept would work) but I can see him being a Bond in his early/prime years as a 00.
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    Paul Mescal, in interviews, sounds like he has a bit of a deficit. He doesn’t sound like the smartest cookie in the box, to be fair.

    None of the guys in these 1082 pages have enough charisma for the role, IMO.

    And that is symptomatic of the evergrowing loss of star quality in cinema. There are simply no more movie stars. And people with gravitas are hard to find in every corner of the greater art.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    No one on this page floats my boat.
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    Venutius wrote: »
    Well, I've never wanted a black actor to play James Bond just for the sake of having a black actor play James Bond. I don't think political or moral issues should have any influence on the casting of Bond - the role should go to the best man for the job. For me, Sope's that man. That's literally all there is to it from my point of view.

    Are you against casting anyone who resembles what Ian Fleming described Bond as in the books?

    And do you think that such an actor which fitted that description doesn't exist at the moment?
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Venutius wrote: »
    Well, I've never wanted a black actor to play James Bond just for the sake of having a black actor play James Bond. I don't think political or moral issues should have any influence on the casting of Bond - the role should go to the best man for the job. For me, Sope's that man. That's literally all there is to it from my point of view.

    Are you against casting anyone who resembles what Ian Fleming described Bond as in the books?

    And do you think that such an actor which fitted that description doesn't exist at the moment?

    What if someone “looked” like James Bond, but they’re a weak actor?; I’d rather have someone who could bring to life the behaviours and characteristics of the man.
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    talos7 wrote: »
    No one on this page floats my boat.

    Same here.
  • edited June 2023 Posts: 3,291
    peter wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    Well, I've never wanted a black actor to play James Bond just for the sake of having a black actor play James Bond. I don't think political or moral issues should have any influence on the casting of Bond - the role should go to the best man for the job. For me, Sope's that man. That's literally all there is to it from my point of view.

    Are you against casting anyone who resembles what Ian Fleming described Bond as in the books?

    And do you think that such an actor which fitted that description doesn't exist at the moment?

    What if someone “looked” like James Bond, but they’re a weak actor?; I’d rather have someone who could bring to life the behaviours and characteristics of the man.

    Of course, that goes without saying. They have to have all characteristics, not just the looks. I'm with you there too, obviously.

    And again, do we think there isn't an actor right now on planet earth that fits the description of Fleming's Bond, AND is a strong actor too?
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Venutius wrote: »
    Well, I've never wanted a black actor to play James Bond just for the sake of having a black actor play James Bond. I don't think political or moral issues should have any influence on the casting of Bond - the role should go to the best man for the job. For me, Sope's that man. That's literally all there is to it from my point of view.

    Are you against casting anyone who resembles what Ian Fleming described Bond as in the books?

    And do you think that such an actor which fitted that description doesn't exist at the moment?

    I could be wrong, but I don’t think that’s what @Venutius is suggesting Jetters.
    I wasn’t sold on a black James Bond until recently.
    I think Sope Dirisu embodies the qualities that could make a great James Bond. The cinematic Bond has taken its own course a lot of the time, whilst keeping some of the Fleming character. But a black actor can still play those Fleming characteristics just as well.
    At the end of the day it should go to the best actor for the role. Sope Dirisu, may be that actor.
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