Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
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    Just an observation, but does anyone else get a young Sinatra vibe from him?

    Yeah I can see that too. I couldn't really find any other Bondian pics of him. He's normally got long hair and a beard in Vikings: Valhalla, he's the sole reason my Mrs has been watching the show honestly
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    007HallY wrote: »
    For all our talk about age, it's possible we could get a similar situation that occurred with Craig. That's to say they'll go in with the intention of casting a younger actor (or at least in the early 30s range) but might find one they like who's slightly older and will even adjust the script accordingly if needed.

    I mean, it wouldn't be a stretch. The majority of Bond were in their 40s anyway. Even if the next Bond actor is 40 they could conceivably play Bond for 10 years and still be younger than Craig in NTTD when they leave. I think age has a bit of leeway here. Even MGW and BB have publicly stated that Bond shouldn't be too young.

    Debbie also said so. It's the gravitas thing. 30-age Bond won't have the right feel. Next film needs to be massive.

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    007HallY wrote: »
    For all our talk about age, it's possible we could get a similar situation that occurred with Craig. That's to say they'll go in with the intention of casting a younger actor (or at least in the early 30s range) but might find one they like who's slightly older and will even adjust the script accordingly if needed.

    I mean, it wouldn't be a stretch. The majority of Bond were in their 40s anyway. Even if the next Bond actor is 40 they could conceivably play Bond for 10 years and still be younger than Craig in NTTD when they leave. I think age has a bit of leeway here. Even MGW and BB have publicly stated that Bond shouldn't be too young.

    Debbie also said so. It's the gravitas thing. 30-age Bond won't have the right feel. Next film needs to be massive.

    It depends on the actor. Like I said, if they found an actor they liked, had the right gravitas, and embodied the part well who was in his 20s, they'd go for them.
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    Doubtful. A 20-something lad wouldn't be in the same lane as an experienced field agent.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I think between 35 and 40 is likely
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    The sweet spot for me would be early 30s. Anything close to 40 is setting up the next actor to only take on three or four films max. If they're great, I want as many installments as we can get, since we clearly aren't returning to the days of a new release every other year again.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
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    Heck the average age of promotion to commander in the Royal Navy is around 40. How's a 20-something supposed to be a commander and have had a successful career in MI6?
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    The sweet spot for me would be early 30s. Anything close to 40 is setting up the next actor to only take on three or four films max. If they're great, I want as many installments as we can get, since we clearly aren't returning to the days of a new release every other year again.

    Not that I disagree with this but we live in a time where,, for several reasons, 40 really is the new 30. . Actors are much more aware of fitness, diet and even skin care, so with that I think 40 is still viable.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Yes, indeed - A*d*n T*rner's 40, the same age Connery was when he filmed DAF, but he looks at least a decade younger than Sean did. People just don't seem to age the same way any more. And if EON found their ideal candidate and he was 40, would they really pass him up for someone less suitable who was 36?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    It's not so much about the possible aging process for any one actor but how jarring it is when they are returning for their next installment 4-5 years after their previous one, for me anyway. I think if they have the perfect actor in mind who's about 40 years old, that's great, but then please don't squander their potential by doing only, say, two installments per decade or so.
  • edited June 2023 Posts: 3,327
    Benny wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I saw the trailer for Slow Horses season 3 the other day. Sope Dirisu really stood out. If it comes down to screen presence he’ll take the role.

    Sope does have a real screen presence, he's a talented actor no doubt

    Sope would still rank very highly as a great potential Bond for me.
    He has screen presence, a good Bondian look, strong voice, tons of charisma, confidence, looks like he could kick the crap out of you. He really does possess, the complete Bond package.
    I really hope EON have him in their sights.

    The only thing I would disagree with here is the good Bondian look. He looks nothing like the traditional Bondian screen image, which arguably for most people is a cross between Brozza/Dalton/Connery and Laz - all tall, white, dark haired left parting, but with either blue eyes or brown eyes.

    Craig doesn't even fit the traditional Bondian look, and Moore is a struggle too, despite other attributes they both brought to the role.

    To me Sope would be a big no, because he doesn't tally with Fleming's original description. I still think that is the benchmark, the target, the blueprint - to physically resemble what Fleming wrote in the books. I know others will disagree, but hey ho.

  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited June 2023 Posts: 3,147
    No, no, it's a completely valid point. Prior to Dan, most people had a clear idea of what 'James Bond' looked like - Connery, Dalton, Brosnan. It's perfectly acceptable to prefer and want an actor who fits that look. Cubby certainly did - he famously rejected BB's suggestion of Sean Bean, simply on looks/height alone. That suggests that Cubby probably wouldn't have hired Dan either and would probably have gone with someone who had the classic look, such as Adrian Paul. I've often wondered if Craig broke the mould, though, and that the traditional movie Bond look isn't a consideration for EON any more? Dunno.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    I think they’ll be looking for Craig 2.0, someone who has similar qualities to Daniel Craig as opposed to someone in the more classic Bond mould. That’s why I think Sope will end up with the part - he’s not unlike a black Daniel Craig in that he’s rugged rather than smooth, and can play older than he is. Eon will want to look like they’re mixing things up, but probably don’t want to get too far from what worked for Craig, imo.
  • Venutius wrote: »
    No, no, it's a completely valid point. Prior to Dan, most people had a clear idea of what 'James Bond' looked like - Connery, Dalton, Brosnan. It's perfectly acceptable to prefer and want an actor who fits that look. Cubby certainly did - he famously rejected BB's suggestion of Sean Bean, simply on looks/height alone. That suggests that Cubby probably wouldn't have hired Dan either and would probably have gone with someone who had the classic look, such as Adrian Paul. I've often wondered if Craig broke the mould, though, and that the traditional movie Bond look isn't a consideration for EON any more? Dunno.

    I think Moore may have broken the mould back in the 70’s with his Sandy Brown Hair. He’s not exactly close in looks to Connery and Lazenby, and certainly was a far cry from looking like Fleming’s Bond. But Craig was a much further departure from the “Traditional Bond” looks.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    6acfc454dff55a0f8d76640cfda695f1.jpg

    Just an observation, but does anyone else get a young Sinatra vibe from him?

    Yeah I can see that too. I couldn't really find any other Bondian pics of him. He's normally got long hair and a beard in Vikings: Valhalla, he's the sole reason my Mrs has been watching the show honestly

    Oh good, I was starting to think that I might be coming down with a syndrome where I see a resemblance to Sinatra in everyone I see.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    It’s been interesting keeping track of the Superman casting. It seems to be moving along at a pretty good clip. It appears that that it’s down to three candidates and screentest are about to begin. Of course this is based on leaks but they appear plausible.
    The casting of a new Superman ranks up there with casting a new Bond ; you’ve got to get it right.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    How quickly I went from debating the prospect of Nicolas Hoult being the next Bond to now seeing how likely it is that he'll play the next Superman.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I’m still skeptical that Hoult is actually in contention for Superman; Lex Luthor seems more likely.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
    edited June 2023 Posts: 932
    I thought they actually said Hoult was up for Luthor. I’m sure that’s what the Dark Horizons article from a few weeks back suggested.

    Edit: I’m wrong, it said he was up for Superman
    “ Three are up for Clark Kent/Superman – Nicholas Hoult (“Mad Max: Fury Road”), David Corenswet (“Hollywood”) and Tom Brittney (“Grantchester”).”

    2nd edit: Actually the May article did say Hoult was up for Luthor
    “ There is one role that seems to be almost a lock and only has one name attached – Nicholas Hoult as Lex Luthor. Hoult was previously the runner-up to play Batman for Matt Reeves before Robert Pattinson was cast.”
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Of the two iconic characters; I think Hoult is much more suited for Bond as opposed to Superman. With that said, he could be interesting as Luthor.

    Of the names contenders , David Corenswet stands out as far as looking the part.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    I agree on Corenswet for Superman, he looks the best fit (Hoult would kill as Clark, though).
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I agree about Hoult as Kent.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I thought they actually said Hoult was up for Luthor. I’m sure that’s what the Dark Horizons article from a few weeks back suggested.

    Edit: I’m wrong, it said he was up for Superman
    “ Three are up for Clark Kent/Superman – Nicholas Hoult (“Mad Max: Fury Road”), David Corenswet (“Hollywood”) and Tom Brittney (“Grantchester”).”

    2nd edit: Actually the May article did say Hoult was up for Luthor
    “ There is one role that seems to be almost a lock and only has one name attached – Nicholas Hoult as Lex Luthor. Hoult was previously the runner-up to play Batman for Matt Reeves before Robert Pattinson was cast.”

    I thought I remembered hearing that too, glad to know I'm not going insane.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited June 2023 Posts: 3,147
    Sir Rog certainly never looked like James Bond to me, but I don't think we can say that he 'broke the mould' because once he was done EON went back to the classic look with Dalton and Brosnan. I'd say that makes Rog was more of an aberration, really. ;)
  • edited June 2023 Posts: 4,070
    Doubtful. A 20-something lad wouldn't be in the same lane as an experienced field agent.

    There are potentially actors in their 20s who a) simply look a bit older and b) can convey the right amount of world weariness. Again, I’m being hypothetical though. Worth saying there has been a Bond to play the part in his 20s (Lazenby) so it’s possible.
    Venutius wrote: »
    No, no, it's a completely valid point. Prior to Dan, most people had a clear idea of what 'James Bond' looked like - Connery, Dalton, Brosnan. It's perfectly acceptable to prefer and want an actor who fits that look. Cubby certainly did - he famously rejected BB's suggestion of Sean Bean, simply on looks/height alone. That suggests that Cubby probably wouldn't have hired Dan either and would probably have gone with someone who had the classic look, such as Adrian Paul. I've often wondered if Craig broke the mould, though, and that the traditional movie Bond look isn't a consideration for EON any more? Dunno.

    I think Moore may have broken the mould back in the 70’s with his Sandy Brown Hair. He’s not exactly close in looks to Connery and Lazenby, and certainly was a far cry from looking like Fleming’s Bond. But Craig was a much further departure from the “Traditional Bond” looks.

    To be fair to Craig he does have those icy blue eyes and cruel mouth which stand out so much about the literary Bond. So I never thought he was quite as ‘non-traditional’ as many have claimed. I’d argue Connery with his noticeable Scottish accent (and looks which aren’t comparable to Hoagey Carmichael) was slightly further away from Fleming’s Bond than Craig was in some weird way.
  • 007HallY wrote: »
    Doubtful. A 20-something lad wouldn't be in the same lane as an experienced field agent.

    There are potentially actors in their 20s who a) simply look a bit older and b) can convey the right amount of world weariness. Again, I’m being hypothetical though. Worth saying there has been a Bond to play the part in his 20s (Lazenby) so it’s possible.
    Venutius wrote: »
    No, no, it's a completely valid point. Prior to Dan, most people had a clear idea of what 'James Bond' looked like - Connery, Dalton, Brosnan. It's perfectly acceptable to prefer and want an actor who fits that look. Cubby certainly did - he famously rejected BB's suggestion of Sean Bean, simply on looks/height alone. That suggests that Cubby probably wouldn't have hired Dan either and would probably have gone with someone who had the classic look, such as Adrian Paul. I've often wondered if Craig broke the mould, though, and that the traditional movie Bond look isn't a consideration for EON any more? Dunno.

    I think Moore may have broken the mould back in the 70’s with his Sandy Brown Hair. He’s not exactly close in looks to Connery and Lazenby, and certainly was a far cry from looking like Fleming’s Bond. But Craig was a much further departure from the “Traditional Bond” looks.

    To be fair to Craig he does have those icy blue eyes and cruel mouth which stand out so much about the literary Bond. So I never thought he was quite as ‘non-traditional’ as many have claimed. I’d argue Connery with his noticeable Scottish accent (and looks which aren’t comparable to Hoagey Carmichael) was slightly further away from Fleming’s Bond than Craig was in some weird way.

    Well none of the Bond actors look like Hoagy Carmichael really. But at least the likes of Connery, Laz, Dalton, and Brosnan were closer to that description than both Moore and Craig were. That isn’t a put down on either of them as well, it’s great that while Moore and Craig don’t look like your “typical” Bond, they still inhibit all the necessary traits. I still buy Craig and Moore as Bond due to their acting skills. I agree about Craig’s features though. He does have that ‘cruel mouth’ Fleming describes in Casino Royale.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Doubtful. A 20-something lad wouldn't be in the same lane as an experienced field agent.

    There are potentially actors in their 20s who a) simply look a bit older and b) can convey the right amount of world weariness. Again, I’m being hypothetical though. Worth saying there has been a Bond to play the part in his 20s (Lazenby) so it’s possible.
    Venutius wrote: »
    No, no, it's a completely valid point. Prior to Dan, most people had a clear idea of what 'James Bond' looked like - Connery, Dalton, Brosnan. It's perfectly acceptable to prefer and want an actor who fits that look. Cubby certainly did - he famously rejected BB's suggestion of Sean Bean, simply on looks/height alone. That suggests that Cubby probably wouldn't have hired Dan either and would probably have gone with someone who had the classic look, such as Adrian Paul. I've often wondered if Craig broke the mould, though, and that the traditional movie Bond look isn't a consideration for EON any more? Dunno.

    I think Moore may have broken the mould back in the 70’s with his Sandy Brown Hair. He’s not exactly close in looks to Connery and Lazenby, and certainly was a far cry from looking like Fleming’s Bond. But Craig was a much further departure from the “Traditional Bond” looks.

    To be fair to Craig he does have those icy blue eyes and cruel mouth which stand out so much about the literary Bond. So I never thought he was quite as ‘non-traditional’ as many have claimed. I’d argue Connery with his noticeable Scottish accent (and looks which aren’t comparable to Hoagey Carmichael) was slightly further away from Fleming’s Bond than Craig was in some weird way.

    Well none of the Bond actors look like Hoagy Carmichael really. But at least the likes of Connery, Laz, Dalton, and Brosnan were closer to that description than both Moore and Craig were. That isn’t a put down on either of them as well, it’s great that while Moore and Craig don’t look like your “typical” Bond, they still inhibit all the necessary traits. I still buy Craig and Moore as Bond due to their acting skills. I agree about Craig’s features though. He does have that ‘cruel mouth’ Fleming describes in Casino Royale.

    Craig looks closest to Hoagy Carmichael. I believe it's in part why he got the Bond role.

  • edited June 2023 Posts: 3,327
    007HallY wrote: »
    Doubtful. A 20-something lad wouldn't be in the same lane as an experienced field agent.

    There are potentially actors in their 20s who a) simply look a bit older and b) can convey the right amount of world weariness. Again, I’m being hypothetical though. Worth saying there has been a Bond to play the part in his 20s (Lazenby) so it’s possible.
    Venutius wrote: »
    No, no, it's a completely valid point. Prior to Dan, most people had a clear idea of what 'James Bond' looked like - Connery, Dalton, Brosnan. It's perfectly acceptable to prefer and want an actor who fits that look. Cubby certainly did - he famously rejected BB's suggestion of Sean Bean, simply on looks/height alone. That suggests that Cubby probably wouldn't have hired Dan either and would probably have gone with someone who had the classic look, such as Adrian Paul. I've often wondered if Craig broke the mould, though, and that the traditional movie Bond look isn't a consideration for EON any more? Dunno.

    I think Moore may have broken the mould back in the 70’s with his Sandy Brown Hair. He’s not exactly close in looks to Connery and Lazenby, and certainly was a far cry from looking like Fleming’s Bond. But Craig was a much further departure from the “Traditional Bond” looks.

    To be fair to Craig he does have those icy blue eyes and cruel mouth which stand out so much about the literary Bond. So I never thought he was quite as ‘non-traditional’ as many have claimed. I’d argue Connery with his noticeable Scottish accent (and looks which aren’t comparable to Hoagey Carmichael) was slightly further away from Fleming’s Bond than Craig was in some weird way.

    Well none of the Bond actors look like Hoagy Carmichael really. But at least the likes of Connery, Laz, Dalton, and Brosnan were closer to that description than both Moore and Craig were. That isn’t a put down on either of them as well, it’s great that while Moore and Craig don’t look like your “typical” Bond, they still inhibit all the necessary traits. I still buy Craig and Moore as Bond due to their acting skills. I agree about Craig’s features though. He does have that ‘cruel mouth’ Fleming describes in Casino Royale.

    Craig looks closest to Hoagy Carmichael. I believe it's in part why he got the Bond role.

    Not really sure how you are seeing Hoagy in Daniel Craig. Their face shapes and features are completely different. Craig's face is square shaped, whereas Hoagy's is long and slim.

    Hoagy_Carmichael_-_1947.jpg

    Dalton is probably the closest.
    Timothy-Dalton-The-Living-Daylights.jpg

  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Benny wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I saw the trailer for Slow Horses season 3 the other day. Sope Dirisu really stood out. If it comes down to screen presence he’ll take the role.

    Sope does have a real screen presence, he's a talented actor no doubt

    Sope would still rank very highly as a great potential Bond for me.
    He has screen presence, a good Bondian look, strong voice, tons of charisma, confidence, looks like he could kick the crap out of you. He really does possess, the complete Bond package.
    I really hope EON have him in their sights.

    The only thing I would disagree with here is the good Bondian look. He looks nothing like the traditional Bondian screen image, which arguably for most people is a cross between Brozza/Dalton/Connery and Laz - all tall, white, dark haired left parting, but with either blue eyes or brown eyes.

    Craig doesn't even fit the traditional Bondian look, and Moore is a struggle too, despite other attributes they both brought to the role.

    To me Sope would be a big no, because he doesn't tally with Fleming's original description. I still think that is the benchmark, the target, the blueprint - to physically resemble what Fleming wrote in the books. I know others will disagree, but hey ho.

    He doesn't fit the Fleming look for Bond, but I think Sope has a Bondian look as far as he has a strong masculine look. An intensity and a brooding look. You could believe he was a Bond that had experience, who has lived, could be a womanizer.
    Obviously not such a Fleming inspired look, but even Connery didn't fully posses that look. ;)
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    edited June 2023 Posts: 2,641
    I do wonder if they have one person in mind like they did in 2005?

    I've just read Being Bond and it mentions the final four screentested and if I'm honest, it's underwhelming. Daniel, Henry Cavil, Sam Worthington and Goran Visnjic. It could have only been Daniel.

    I wonder if they'll do that again, were they almost set up their choice as the best man for the job for the studio's benefit
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