Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I did, yes. Anyways, let's get this back on track the only way I know how:

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    Although olives and a twist is a little strange of a request.

    Sadly, I think Evans is going to go down as another missed opportunity for Bond. There's no doubt in my mind that he would be a perfect fit.

    He'll always be a big "what if" in my eyes. Luke would've made a perfect Bond, I feel.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,613
    I think what Fassbender and Evans both share is that smooth charming aspect to them, they'd fit into a casino setting well, but could both play that cruel ruthless assassin, like Craig and Connery did so well

    Most suggestions are either one or the other, I think both is vital now following Craig's portrayal
  • peterpeter Toronto
    edited March 2023 Posts: 9,048
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I think what Fassbender and Evans both share is that smooth charming aspect to them, they'd fit into a casino setting well, but could both play that cruel ruthless assassin, like Craig and Connery did so well

    Most suggestions are either one or the other, I think both is vital now following Craig's portrayal

    Yes, Moore won’t be my favourite, but I appreciate him and his gifts about a thousand fold than I did before— especially how he jumped in with both feet in LALD. If he was nervous about following Connery (and the Golden Decade), he didn’t show it. He may’ve been gentler than Connery, but he did it with tremendous confidence.

    I also love him in Octopussy. And sprinkled throughout his entire tenure, he did show nice, subtle emotional range. He was craftily good.

    EDIT: @Jordo007 … I have no idea why, or how, but the above post was meant to be on our other discussion thread, 😂.

    Call it a long day!!
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    peter wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I think what Fassbender and Evans both share is that smooth charming aspect to them, they'd fit into a casino setting well, but could both play that cruel ruthless assassin, like Craig and Connery did so well

    Most suggestions are either one or the other, I think both is vital now following Craig's portrayal

    Yes, Moore won’t be my favourite, but I appreciate him and his gifts about a thousand fold than I did before— especially how he jumped in with both feet in LALD. If he was nervous about following Connery (and the Golden Decade), he didn’t show it. He may’ve been gentler than Connery, but he did it with tremendous confidence.

    I also love him in Octopussy. And sprinkled throughout his entire tenure, he did show nice, subtle emotional range. He was craftily good.

    EDIT: @Jordo007 … I have no idea why, or how, but the above post was meant to be on our other discussion thread, 😂.

    Call it a long day!!

    😂 I didn't even realise mate.

    Sir Roger deserves a lot of credit for taking over from Connery and doing it so confidently. He showed the public Bond could survive without Connery.

    Sir Rog's era isn't to my taste, but I do love some of his subtle acting touches, like in OP how he rolls the double 6's without breaking eye contact with Kamal Khan.
    Such a great Bond moment
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
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    Benny wrote: »
    It’s a worthy pose, but please don’t take credit for it @JeremyBondon unless you wrote it.

    Am I supposed to take this remark seriously? Yeah, no, not going to bite.
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Contemporary is dull tbf, just look at Craig's tenure sans CR, which is actually due to Campbell. Give me 60s setting with actual STYLE any old day of the week. Sure, Sean's no longer with us, but there is ALWAYS new talent around. Bond is walking among us. Ditch the 'new and improved' new age (possibly woke) Bond and go back to the golden age. At least then we have an interesting template, difficult to mess up, along with a truly good director.

    That's a strange thing to say considering that Bond films have always been looking 'forth' much more than they have been looking 'back.' I don't think 'contemporary' is wrong for the story and setting, but the style can be 'timeless', that's for sure.

    'Woke' is a word I wish people didn't bring to discussions like these. It's become such an elusive term, covering a different meaning for most, and being mostly used in a pejorative way. Whatever its meaning, I doubt that it is relevant to Bond anyway.

    Liberalism is the idea that everyone in society should have the same rights regardless of race, gender, religion etc. Intersectionality or "woke"ism is the idea that we should selectively raise and lower people based on their positioning in some percieved system of oppression. When it comes to Bond, I wonder how much longer the series can "get with the times" before the whole thing becomes untenable with respect to modern views. I think Bond will always represent a kind of wish fulfillment fantasy inherent in any red-blooded male , but it's a question of whether that fantasy will still be acceptable to celebrate and romanticise in polite society. Is it becoming verboten for a popular series to present a white, cisgender, heterosexual male who gambles and womanises and battles against foreign enemies in defense of King and country? If will Smith slapping Chris rock taught us anything it's that people have lost the common understanding and respect for eachother that we once had. With the advent of socail media, we've lost the ability to NOT take offense, to NOT take it seriously, and just take an innocent joke for what it is. In that kind of environment the bond producers are forever going to be playing defense, forever making concessions, forever capitulating to the prevailing socail order. They've already started to try and "fix" bonds philandering ways by having him persue committed relationships with women, and in my opinion it has only subtracted from the appeal of the films. When we live in a society where we can no longer have the best of both worlds, where free expression has been so curtailed that even an escapist series like Bond is too transgressive for public consumption, then we're getting into some very dicey waters as a culture IMO.

    If you think Will Smith slapping Chris Rock is some sign of societal decline then you’ve lived a very sheltered life.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 14,955
    Benny wrote: »
    It’s a worthy pose, but please don’t take credit for it @JeremyBondon unless you wrote it.

    Am I supposed to take this remark seriously? Yeah, no, not going to bite.

    I wouldn't want you to bite @JeremyBondon
    You need to calm down.
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
    Posts: 1,318
    Benny wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    It’s a worthy pose, but please don’t take credit for it @JeremyBondon unless you wrote it.

    Am I supposed to take this remark seriously? Yeah, no, not going to bite.

    I wouldn't want you to bite @JeremyBondon
    You need to calm down.

    I need to what? Mate, are you ok? Stop making up stuff regarding taking credit. It's laughable.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,236
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Contemporary is dull tbf, just look at Craig's tenure sans CR, which is actually due to Campbell. Give me 60s setting with actual STYLE any old day of the week. Sure, Sean's no longer with us, but there is ALWAYS new talent around. Bond is walking among us. Ditch the 'new and improved' new age (possibly woke) Bond and go back to the golden age. At least then we have an interesting template, difficult to mess up, along with a truly good director.

    That's a strange thing to say considering that Bond films have always been looking 'forth' much more than they have been looking 'back.' I don't think 'contemporary' is wrong for the story and setting, but the style can be 'timeless', that's for sure.

    'Woke' is a word I wish people didn't bring to discussions like these. It's become such an elusive term, covering a different meaning for most, and being mostly used in a pejorative way. Whatever its meaning, I doubt that it is relevant to Bond anyway.

    Liberalism is the idea that everyone in society should have the same rights regardless of race, gender, religion etc. Intersectionality or "woke"ism is the idea that we should selectively raise and lower people based on their positioning in some percieved system of oppression. When it comes to Bond, I wonder how much longer the series can "get with the times" before the whole thing becomes untenable with respect to modern views. I think Bond will always represent a kind of wish fulfillment fantasy inherent in any red-blooded male , but it's a question of whether that fantasy will still be acceptable to celebrate and romanticise in polite society. Is it becoming verboten for a popular series to present a white, cisgender, heterosexual male who gambles and womanises and battles against foreign enemies in defense of King and country? If will Smith slapping Chris rock taught us anything it's that people have lost the common understanding and respect for eachother that we once had. With the advent of socail media, we've lost the ability to NOT take offense, to NOT take it seriously, and just take an innocent joke for what it is. In that kind of environment the bond producers are forever going to be playing defense, forever making concessions, forever capitulating to the prevailing socail order. They've already started to try and "fix" bonds philandering ways by having him persue committed relationships with women, and in my opinion it has only subtracted from the appeal of the films. When we live in a society where we can no longer have the best of both worlds, where free expression has been so curtailed that even an escapist series like Bond is too transgressive for public consumption, then we're getting into some very dicey waters as a culture IMO.

    If you think Will Smith slapping Chris Rock is some sign of societal decline then you’ve lived a very sheltered life.

    I only use that as a easy, safe example that everyone remembers. There's far worse I could mention but I didn't want to bring down the tone just to illustrate my point.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 14,955
    Back in the old days, when a moderator asked someone to calm down, a member would generally take note.
    But @JeremyBondon wont do that, instead he'll retort to aggression and mocking.
    You're being aggressive Jeremy, you simply have to have the last say, and will not be told. Despite our very different views on many aspects of the Bond series, I have always tried to keep an open mind with many of your posts, but right now you're being rude.
    It will not be tolerated.
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
    edited March 2023 Posts: 1,318
    Benny wrote: »
    Back in the old days, when a moderator asked someone to calm down, a member would generally take note.
    But @JeremyBondon wont do that, instead he'll retort to aggression and mocking.
    You're being aggressive Jeremy, you simply have to have the last say, and will not be told. Despite our very different views on many aspects of the Bond series, I have always tried to keep an open mind with many of your posts, but right now you're being rude.
    It will not be tolerated.

    Hold on. What have I done? I seriously feel like I'm being gaslighted into something that is conjured up from thin air. It seems Benny you have a personal problem with me, I certainly don't have one with you. I was merely applauding @Mendes4Lyfe his post and then you write:

    "It’s a worthy pose, but please don’t take credit for it @JeremyBondon unless you wrote it."

    Uncalled for Benny, that's what that is. Pretty rude as well. I can't even fathom why you would write that in the first place.

  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 14,955
    Again, you're being aggressive.
    Quit while you still can.
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
    Posts: 1,318
    Aggressive? Oh Benny.

    Have a fantastic weekend. Truly.
  • mattjoesmattjoes DAY OF THE BROSNAN
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    I must be going nuts, because I saw Bondon agreeing with a post, which led to him being told by Benny not to take credit for it. Since he clearly didn't take credit for it, this might be a joke, but if so, it's one weird joke (this is coming from an expert in making strange jokes that people don't find funny), and I find his puzzled reaction understandable.

    It's like that thing with mtm the other day on this same thread. These are supposedly harmless, possibly jokey comments, but I find them strange, and I don't think it's strange that they annoy some people.

    And I don't even necessarily agree with some of the views shared by the posters who were the recipients of said comments, or am particulatly close with them (to the extent that one can be on an anonymous forum).
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
    Posts: 1,318
    mattjoes wrote: »
    I must be going nuts, because I saw Bondon agreeing with a post, which led to him being told by Benny not to take credit for it. Since he clearly didn't take credit for it, this might be a joke, but if so, it's one weird joke (this is coming from an expert in making strange jokes that people don't find funny), and I find his puzzled reaction understandable.

    It's like that thing with mtm the other day on this same thread. These are supposedly harmless, possibly jokey comments, but I find them strange, and I don't think it's strange that they annoy some people.

    And I don't even necessarily agree with some of the views shared by the posters who were the recipients of said comments, or am particulatly close with them (to the extent that one can be on an anonymous forum).

    Thanks @mattjoes I can only agree. Have a great weekend.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 14,955
    It's no joke @mattjoes the behavior of @JeremyBondon has been noted by several members as being aggressive and condescending.
    The moderators are often accused of not doing enough with certain members. Yet when we do, we're sometimes accused of being too harsh.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,236
    just my 2 cents:

    I think in situations where everyone is giving as good as they get you just have to issue a general warning and chaulk off the encounter for both parties. What irks me is when there's a heated debate and then the moderators come in and seem to act like only one side was being argumentative and uncivil, essentially acting as kingmaker in the discussion.

    but, c'est la vie, nothings perfect, and the mods do a great job considering it's a completely free site to be a part of.
  • Posts: 12,837
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Contemporary is dull tbf, just look at Craig's tenure sans CR, which is actually due to Campbell. Give me 60s setting with actual STYLE any old day of the week. Sure, Sean's no longer with us, but there is ALWAYS new talent around. Bond is walking among us. Ditch the 'new and improved' new age (possibly woke) Bond and go back to the golden age. At least then we have an interesting template, difficult to mess up, along with a truly good director.

    That's a strange thing to say considering that Bond films have always been looking 'forth' much more than they have been looking 'back.' I don't think 'contemporary' is wrong for the story and setting, but the style can be 'timeless', that's for sure.

    'Woke' is a word I wish people didn't bring to discussions like these. It's become such an elusive term, covering a different meaning for most, and being mostly used in a pejorative way. Whatever its meaning, I doubt that it is relevant to Bond anyway.

    Liberalism is the idea that everyone in society should have the same rights regardless of race, gender, religion etc. Intersectionality or "woke"ism is the idea that we should selectively raise and lower people based on their positioning in some percieved system of oppression. When it comes to Bond, I wonder how much longer the series can "get with the times" before the whole thing becomes untenable with respect to modern views. I think Bond will always represent a kind of wish fulfillment fantasy inherent in any red-blooded male , but it's a question of whether that fantasy will still be acceptable to celebrate and romanticise in polite society. Is it becoming verboten for a popular series to present a white, cisgender, heterosexual male who gambles and womanises and battles against foreign enemies in defense of King and country? If will Smith slapping Chris rock taught us anything it's that people have lost the common understanding and respect for eachother that we once had. With the advent of socail media, we've lost the ability to NOT take offense, to NOT take it seriously, and just take an innocent joke for what it is. In that kind of environment the bond producers are forever going to be playing defense, forever making concessions, forever capitulating to the prevailing socail order. They've already started to try and "fix" bonds philandering ways by having him persue committed relationships with women, and in my opinion it has only subtracted from the appeal of the films. When we live in a society where we can no longer have the best of both worlds, where free expression has been so curtailed that even an escapist series like Bond is too transgressive for public consumption, then we're getting into some very dicey waters as a culture IMO.

    If you think Will Smith slapping Chris Rock is some sign of societal decline then you’ve lived a very sheltered life.

    I only use that as a easy, safe example that everyone remembers. There's far worse I could mention but I didn't want to bring down the tone just to illustrate my point.

    Fair. I’m not going to bother getting into the other stuff because we won’t agree, but I do think it’s valid to worry about whether an anti hero like Bond will end up watered down as what’s deemed acceptable family entertainment changes (part of me wonders if they’ll go 15/R one day for that reason, especially since the audience skews older anyway). But I don’t think we’ve seen much reason to worry about that so far. He still drinks, gambles, womanises. He was in a relationship in the last one because they were doing something different, but we’ve had no indication that he won’t be shagging around again next time. The only things we’ve lost so far are the smoking and the sexism. I wish he could still smoke (it’s part of the fantasy for me, being able to enjoy those vices care free), but I don’t miss him slapping women around or any of that.
  • edited March 2023 Posts: 3,374
    Must admit, there's been a few times where I've visited this thread, have read over the comments and not been wholly sure as to why people are arguing... maybe I'm missing something but that's kinda the sense I got here and am not sure as to why this started. Oh well.
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Contemporary is dull tbf, just look at Craig's tenure sans CR, which is actually due to Campbell. Give me 60s setting with actual STYLE any old day of the week. Sure, Sean's no longer with us, but there is ALWAYS new talent around. Bond is walking among us. Ditch the 'new and improved' new age (possibly woke) Bond and go back to the golden age. At least then we have an interesting template, difficult to mess up, along with a truly good director.

    That's a strange thing to say considering that Bond films have always been looking 'forth' much more than they have been looking 'back.' I don't think 'contemporary' is wrong for the story and setting, but the style can be 'timeless', that's for sure.

    'Woke' is a word I wish people didn't bring to discussions like these. It's become such an elusive term, covering a different meaning for most, and being mostly used in a pejorative way. Whatever its meaning, I doubt that it is relevant to Bond anyway.

    Liberalism is the idea that everyone in society should have the same rights regardless of race, gender, religion etc. Intersectionality or "woke"ism is the idea that we should selectively raise and lower people based on their positioning in some percieved system of oppression. When it comes to Bond, I wonder how much longer the series can "get with the times" before the whole thing becomes untenable with respect to modern views. I think Bond will always represent a kind of wish fulfillment fantasy inherent in any red-blooded male , but it's a question of whether that fantasy will still be acceptable to celebrate and romanticise in polite society. Is it becoming verboten for a popular series to present a white, cisgender, heterosexual male who gambles and womanises and battles against foreign enemies in defense of King and country? If will Smith slapping Chris rock taught us anything it's that people have lost the common understanding and respect for eachother that we once had. With the advent of socail media, we've lost the ability to NOT take offense, to NOT take it seriously, and just take an innocent joke for what it is. In that kind of environment the bond producers are forever going to be playing defense, forever making concessions, forever capitulating to the prevailing socail order. They've already started to try and "fix" bonds philandering ways by having him persue committed relationships with women, and in my opinion it has only subtracted from the appeal of the films. When we live in a society where we can no longer have the best of both worlds, where free expression has been so curtailed that even an escapist series like Bond is too transgressive for public consumption, then we're getting into some very dicey waters as a culture IMO.

    If you think Will Smith slapping Chris Rock is some sign of societal decline then you’ve lived a very sheltered life.

    Interestingly, many people in the 50s probably saw the Fleming novels as a sign of societal decline. Same for the films. I think many still do today, both from a more conservative political perspective and a more left leaning one (again, I reckon this has always been the case with Bond).

    I mean, there's a precedent for Bond having committed relationships in books and film, I don't get the sense that things like his drinking and even philandering have been watered down in the later Craig movies (perhaps the latter with NTTD just to hammer home the relationship between him and Madeline but it seems more a creative decision). Some of Bond's attitudes/behaviour towards women have softened considerably, but this has been happening since the Moore era. I just don't see where some of these concerns are coming from, other than the wider world we live in.
  • Posts: 786
    Benny wrote: »
    It's no joke @mattjoes the behavior of @JeremyBondon has been noted by several members as being aggressive and condescending.
    The moderators are often accused of not doing enough with certain members. Yet when we do, we're sometimes accused of being too harsh.

    You are being a bit harsh lately on some members, pal.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 14,955
    Yes I really should go easier on things.
    Thanks for pointing that out.
  • edited March 2023 Posts: 786
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  • peterpeter Toronto
    edited March 2023 Posts: 9,048
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    Oh man, why’re you pushing this?

    It’s kind of embarrassing to read— you could PM the mods and discuss in a private manner. Just a suggestion (I’ve contacted them behind the scenes and it’s been my experience that they will engage with you)
  • edited March 2023 Posts: 12,357
    Benny has all my respect for what he does here. He’s put me in my place before rightfully and this site needs the moderation it does. Things can get overly hostile or ugly fast, always best to nip things in the bud.
  • mattjoesmattjoes DAY OF THE BROSNAN
    edited March 2023 Posts: 6,929
    Benny wrote: »
    It's no joke @mattjoes the behavior of @JeremyBondon has been noted by several members as being aggressive and condescending.

    The moderators are often accused of not doing enough with certain members. Yet when we do, we're sometimes accused of being too harsh.
    To further clarify my last post, I'll just say this one last thing and leave it at that: I think if you're going to tell the guy not to do something, tell him not to do something that he's actually doing.
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    Oh man, why’re you pushing this?

    It’s kind of embarrassing to read— you could PM the mods and discuss in a private manner. Just a suggestion (I’ve contacted them behind the scenes and it’s been my experience that they will engage with you)

    Calm down pete, it's just a meme, it's funny.

    Nothing embarassing about sticking up for another memeber who's been blamed incorrectly. It's all in black and white on the last page.

    Stop being wimps.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,048
    It’s funny to you. And that’s awesome. Hope you’re enjoying yourself. Personally, I thought you were funnier as our one and only James Bond candidate.

    But you had your say, you stuck up for a member (who has a spotty history on how he’s treated others, and; we don’t know what has happened behind closed doors with this member and the mods in the past), and you don’t need to make this an on-going thing. If you want to continue going after the mods, it may be more suitable to do it away from these threads and do it in private.

    And calling others wimps? It kinda takes away from your chivalry , just a little— don’t ya think?

  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
    edited March 2023 Posts: 1,318
    Thanks again @mattjoes and @DewiWynBond for stating whatever you feel is right. After all this is a forum.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 23,839
    Thanks again @mattjoes and @DewiWynBond for stating whatever you feel is right. After all this is a forum.

    Not too 'woke' for your taste, I hope? ;-)
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
    Posts: 1,318
    So gents, Bond. Who's next?
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