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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited December 2016 Posts: 8,112
    delete.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    I knew towards the end of the summer we werent getting a 2018 release. I think they need to release it in the summer of 2019. They are getting too out of hand in the time it takes them to release a film. From time to time I feel even SF could have been even a little better for four years of waiting.

    Summer 2019?? That's suicide. Off the top of my head summer 2019 has Avengers 4, Spider-Man Homecoming 2, Toy Story 4, The Batman, Indiana Jones 5...and then of course a number of other films I can't recall right now. I don't want Bond getting cannibalised which it will if it gets that release date.

    Longer breaks definitely doesn't equate to a better quality film but outside of extenuating circumstances hurting the Craig era's frequency of output I think EoN overall havn't done the best job as producers overseeing the films post CR.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    I knew towards the end of the summer we werent getting a 2018 release. I think they need to release it in the summer of 2019. They are getting too out of hand in the time it takes them to release a film. From time to time I feel even SF could have been even a little better for four years of waiting.

    Summer 2019?? That's suicide. Off the top of my head summer 2019 has Avengers 4, Spider-Man Homecoming 2, Toy Story 4, The Batman, Indiana Jones 5...and then of course a number of other films I can't recall right now. I don't want Bond getting cannibalised which it will if it gets that release date.

    Longer breaks definitely doesn't equate to a better quality film but outside of extenuating circumstances hurting the Craig era's frequency of output I think EoN overall havn't done the best job as producers overseeing the films post CR.

    I think even a Bond marred by SP can withstand most of those.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Bond isn't "marred" by Spectre. Regardless of whether the film appealed to some and didn't to some others, it brought over $880 Million from its worldwide box-office gross. It might not have been as glorified as Skyfall (that was largely helped by the Bond 50th hype) but some people would kill to have that amount of money in their bank accounts.
  • fjdinardofjdinardo
    Posts: 1,965
    Man Cubby would never have let this limbo situation happen.

    That being said 2018 can still happen people. Still time.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
    Posts: 732
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Bond isn't "marred" by Spectre. It might not have been as glorified as Skyfall (that was largely helped by the Bond 50th hype)
    To me, this is nothing but a myth brought up by people finding reasons why Skyfall was so well-received. In my opinion the Olympics stunt had way more effect to bring the masses into the theatre ... and especially it's great word-of-mouth. The anniversary for sure didn't hurt but I doubt if Spectre was the film of 2012 it would have brought in 1.1B$ but about the same amount of money (which is a very very good amount of ticket sales and revenue) it actually did.

    I understand Skyfall is not everybody's favourite because of it's tone and motifs and so on. But it was better received by the overall audience than Spectre and that's just that. I am not at all claiming it IS the better movie because that is just a matter of taste.

    Skyfall had a logic holes and everything you see from Spectre (any many other films in the franchise) but it was consistent in the way it wanted to tell it's story - imho because Mendes was just 100% conviced of his concept and it's a Mendes movie through and through while Spectre is just a compilation of absolutely fantastic and also very dull sequences that just never feels like a complete film at all.

    I am happy we have Spectre - for it's PTS, the Bond/Moneypenny scenes in his appartement, the Mr. White Substory, all Q scenes, L'Americain and the train fight. Even the car chase. But it could all also be just single adventures like filming a short story compilation but never feels like one movie.

    Anyway, a Bond movie coming out in November will *always* find it's audience .. IF it's just good and recommended by the ones that go and see it anyway.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Bond isn't "marred" by Spectre. Regardless of whether the film appealed to some and didn't to some others, it brought over $880 Million from its worldwide box-office gross. It might not have been as glorified as Skyfall (that was largely helped by the Bond 50th hype) but some people would kill to have that amount of money in their bank accounts.

    This is one time I don't completely agree with you my friend but I should have said that I believe that Craig's Bond not so much Bond in general was marred by SP.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited December 2016 Posts: 15,423
    SeanCraig wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Bond isn't "marred" by Spectre. It might not have been as glorified as Skyfall (that was largely helped by the Bond 50th hype)
    To me, this is nothing but a myth brought up by people finding reasons why Skyfall was so well-received. In my opinion the Olympics stunt had way more effect to bring the masses into the theatre ... and especially it's great word-of-mouth. The anniversary for sure didn't hurt but I doubt if Spectre was the film of 2012 it would have brought in 1.1B$ but about the same amount of money (which is a very very good amount of ticket sales and revenue) it actually did.
    The Bond 50 Anniversary event was advertised on every single cubical object I kept seeing with "James Bond" in the highlight and Skyfall alongside. The Olympics was part of it, because Bond had already become part of Britain's icons and that year he was going to celebrate its 50 years of popularity existence, which is the film franchise, and not the books (the books are for the fans only, just to be clear). The general audience was given something to view at (cinema) and Bond was highlighted, played by the chap who appeared in Casino Royale, who brought in new audiences and is well-loved by the general fans for his gritty approach towards the character "that no one has done before" (general thought, not mine). This is how Skyfall mainly came about and rose to huge popularity. And of course, the dramatic approach (which, here, is highly appreciated by most, which is an evidence) elevated its "quality" and made it a "film worthy of being called a modern classic". This is Skyfall.

    Had the film been done before 2012, say 2010, it wouldn't have had the same effect. Many people weren't as excited for Spectre as they were for Skyfall, because there was no kind of advertising to do alongside the film. No event tie it up with. Much like the rest of the Bond films (minus Die Another Day, the other anniversary baby ten years prior).
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    In an ever crowded market, DC and 007 keep pounding the competition into the ground. I mean Jason Bourne and that franchise has run out of steam TWICE, with two consecutive films (one with Renner and one with Damon); TMFU, and M:Is, and KM, they never put up Bond numbers.

    I think DC, and his era, are safe from everything except for the critics on this site!
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    peter wrote: »
    In an ever crowded market, DC and 007 keep pounding the competition into the ground. I mean Jason Bourne and that franchise has run out of steam TWICE, with two consecutive films (one with Renner and one with Damon); TMFU, and M:Is, and KM, they never put up Bond numbers.

    I think DC, and his era, are safe from everything except for the critics on this site!
    And the Russians, according to Fiennes.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    In an ever crowded market, DC and 007 keep pounding the competition into the ground. I mean Jason Bourne and that franchise has run out of steam TWICE, with two consecutive films (one with Renner and one with Damon); TMFU, and M:Is, and KM, they never put up Bond numbers.

    I think DC, and his era, are safe from everything except for the critics on this site!
    And the Russians, according to Fiennes.

    Add the Chinese...

    Don't get me wrong I think Bond is safe. My goodness there's articles all the time about Bond on Yahoo alone...

    I wasn't necessarily trying to be too critical ..maybe I was ..dunno
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Man Cubby would never have let this limbo situation happen.

    That being said 2018 can still happen people. Still time.

    If Cubby were still with us and running the show, OR, if we were still in the Brosnan years, the MGM deal probably would have happened this past February like intended, and the production team would be gearing up to commence filming next month for release November 2017.
  • AlexanderWaverlyAlexanderWaverly
    Posts: 2,115
    As an aside, if Eon kept to its preferred every-third-year schedule, we'd be more or less at the same place in terms of output.

    ACTUAL: 2006-2008-2012-2015

    EON PREFERRED: 2006-2009-2012-2015
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited December 2016 Posts: 15,690
    AlexanderWaverly wrote: »
    As an aside, if Eon kept to its preferred every-third-year schedule, we'd be more or less at the same place in terms of output.

    ACTUAL: 2006-2008-2012-2015

    EON PREFERRED: 2006-2009-2012-2015

    Wouldn't that mean only 3 Craig films? Wasn't MGM in the start of its financial trouble in 2009? So Craig's 2nd would only have been released in 2011, or 2012 if they were really serious with the 50th anniversary.

    As for Bond 25, I am not asking for a specific release date, but can EON please give an estimated year of release? Are they looking at 2018? 2019? 2020?
  • AlexanderWaverlyAlexanderWaverly
    Posts: 2,115
    DaltonCraig007 wrote: »
    AlexanderWaverly wrote: »
    As an aside, if Eon kept to its preferred every-third-year schedule, we'd be more or less at the same place in terms of output.

    ACTUAL: 2006-2008-2012-2015

    EON PREFERRED: 2006-2009-2012-2015

    Wouldn't that mean only 3 Craig films? Wasn't MGM in the start of its financial trouble in 2009? So Craig's 2nd would only have been released in 2011, or 2012 if they were really serious with the 50th anniversary.

    As for Bond 25, I am not asking for a specific release date, but can EON please give an estimated year of release? Are they looking at 2018? 2019? 2020?

    I should have clarified that the "preferred" category excludes studio-related situations. Quantum got a 2008 release date because the studio, Sony in this case, wanted to strike while the iron was hot. Skyfall got put off a year because of MGM's bankruptcy. My point is if it were up to Eon alone, we'd have four Craig movies at this point, not five or six.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    I knew towards the end of the summer we werent getting a 2018 release. I think they need to release it in the summer of 2019. They are getting too out of hand in the time it takes them to release a film. From time to time I feel even SF could have been even a little better for four years of waiting.

    Summer 2019?? That's suicide. Off the top of my head summer 2019 has Avengers 4, Spider-Man Homecoming 2, Toy Story 4, The Batman, Indiana Jones 5...and then of course a number of other films I can't recall right now. I don't want Bond getting cannibalised which it will if it gets that release date.

    Longer breaks definitely doesn't equate to a better quality film but outside of extenuating circumstances hurting the Craig era's frequency of output I think EoN overall havn't done the best job as producers overseeing the films post CR.

    I think even a Bond marred by SP can withstand most of those.

    I love Bond...till the day I die but I'm a realist and I just can't see Bond making the box office numbers SF and SP made if it were to have a summer 2019 release.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    edited December 2016 Posts: 4,116
    doubleoego wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    I knew towards the end of the summer we werent getting a 2018 release. I think they need to release it in the summer of 2019. They are getting too out of hand in the time it takes them to release a film. From time to time I feel even SF could have been even a little better for four years of waiting.

    Summer 2019?? That's suicide. Off the top of my head summer 2019 has Avengers 4, Spider-Man Homecoming 2, Toy Story 4, The Batman, Indiana Jones 5...and then of course a number of other films I can't recall right now. I don't want Bond getting cannibalised which it will if it gets that release date.

    Longer breaks definitely doesn't equate to a better quality film but outside of extenuating circumstances hurting the Craig era's frequency of output I think EoN overall havn't done the best job as producers overseeing the films post CR.

    I think even a Bond marred by SP can withstand most of those.

    I love Bond...till the day I die but I'm a realist and I just can't see Bond making the box office numbers SF and SP made if it were to have a summer 2019 release.

    I don't know. Bond might. Bond may not beat Indy 5 but I don't think Indy would steal from Bond's audience.

    Like you summer or fall or dark of night ...well not too late ...will keep from Bond.

  • Tuck91Tuck91
    Posts: 1,680
    If EON announced a B25 release for summer 2019 I gurantee you two or three other films would move their release date,
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    It's still a long way from home.
  • AlexanderWaverlyAlexanderWaverly
    Posts: 2,115
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    If EON announced a B25 release for summer 2019 I gurantee you two or three other films would move their release date,

    In the U.S., the last weekend in July is becoming "spy weekend," with Mission: Impossible Rogue Nation, Jason Bourne and M:I 6 in 2018. Perhaps last weekend of July 2019 for Bond 25.

  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    If EON announced a B25 release for summer 2019 I gurantee you two or three other films would move their release date,

    I don't see that happening at all tbh; definitely none of the films I mentioned above. There's a reason why Bond sticks to autumn release dates and with the climate of summer movies over the next couple of years, it would be wise to remain in the autumn slot.

  • Pierce2DanielPierce2Daniel
    Posts: 4,400
    To give you all some idea of timeline…2018 is still a possibility. Bond films are huge studio projects that can galvanise support internally at an incredibly fast-pace.

    An announcement would need to be made by Jan 2017 if the film was to come out in Nov 2018. This has always been the case and I feel that at that earlier a stage all they would need to announce is the release date. Craig’s involvement and a director would be a bonus. That’s been the case with pretty much all the Bond films over the last 10 years.

    I imagine that if 2018 is on the cards, director rumours will start heating up after Xmas. EON operate with a huge degree of autonomy and anonymity. I imagine that if they have B25 planned for a release in 2018 they have zeroed in on a director. I mean remember how out of the blue the Mendes announcement was?

    However, if we don’t hear anything by the beginning of Feb, you can almost guarantee that the film won’t come till at least 2019.

    So…….there you have it. We have around a 7 week window where news should drop. If not, brace yourself. We’re a long way off.

    My bet is that after Othello, we’ll have a firmer idea. Babs is known for being tenacious and she wants DC back. It’s opening night of the play today so I imagine word will soon begin to leak out.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,112
    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    To give you all some idea of timeline…2018 is still a possibility. Bond films are huge studio projects that can galvanise support internally at an incredibly fast-pace.

    An announcement would need to be made by Jan 2017 if the film was to come out in Nov 2018. This has always been the case and I feel that at that earlier a stage all they would need to announce is the release date. Craig’s involvement and a director would be a bonus. That’s been the case with pretty much all the Bond films over the last 10 years.

    I imagine that if 2018 is on the cards, director rumours will start heating up after Xmas. EON operate with a huge degree of autonomy and anonymity. I imagine that if they have B25 planned for a release in 2018 they have zeroed in on a director. I mean remember how out of the blue the Mendes announcement was?

    However, if we don’t hear anything by the beginning of Feb, you can almost guarantee that the film won’t come till at least 2019.

    So…….there you have it. We have around a 7 week window where news should drop. If not, brace yourself. We’re a long way off.

    My bet is that after Othello, we’ll have a firmer idea. Babs is known for being tenacious and she wants DC back. It’s opening night of the play today so I imagine word will soon begin to leak out.

    I love reading your updates, keep them coming. B-)
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    I am sorry, and I wish I could disclose the source of this info. but I have no reason to doubt the woman who told me.

    That following Spectre, Daniel made it clear to EON he wanted to do more TV and stage work before he would consider a return. Broccoli proposed that she produce a play and cast Dan (Othello) and it would allow him to fulfil what he wants to do, but also allows the two of them to spend time collaborating on the Bond 25.

    Now this is being reported, which appears to give further credence.

    http://www.deccanherald.com/content/586194/daniel-craig-may-return-james.html


    "Daniel thinks of himself as a 'serious actor,' and he wants to stretch his artistic muscles.

    And Barbara really believes in his talent. For her to do this (play) for him is a gift- of course
    she wants him back - this is going to entice him to make another Bond movie," a source said".


    It makes sense. I suspect plans for Bond 25 are much further on than anyone is saying. I predict March/April announcement, Production commencing late 2017 and an October 2018 release.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited December 2016 Posts: 15,423
    SirHilaryBray wrote: »
    I suspect plans for Bond 25 are much further on than anyone is saying.
    Definitely. But, some people just love to detract the others, thinking everything that's on the surface is to be believed and taken the word for. I mean, sure, there's no distributor around, but no producer and major shareholder company (MGM) would cross their arms, sit and relax next to a fireplace or have sunbath somewhere in a southern country or whatever. I am more than sure they're having advanced plans ahead, which is a fact for every business running procedure.

    But, what can I say? Some people just like to believe what they see. Like Craig's comment on the project "Everyone is still tired." Yeah, because business owners that possess an IP as big as Bond are very tired, hence ending up on a yearlong holiday.
  • tanaka123tanaka123
    Posts: 4,325
    SirHilaryBray wrote: »
    I am sorry, and I wish I could disclose the source of this info. but I have no reason to doubt the woman who told me.

    That following Spectre, Daniel made it clear to EON he wanted to do more TV and stage work before he would consider a return. Broccoli proposed that she produce a play and cast Dan (Othello) and it would allow him to fulfil what he wants to do, but also allows the two of them to spend time collaborating on the Bond 25.

    Now this is being reported, which appears to give further credence.

    http://www.deccanherald.com/content/586194/daniel-craig-may-return-james.html


    "Daniel thinks of himself as a 'serious actor,' and he wants to stretch his artistic muscles.

    And Barbara really believes in his talent. For her to do this (play) for him is a gift- of course
    she wants him back - this is going to entice him to make another Bond movie," a source said".


    It makes sense. I suspect plans for Bond 25 are much further on than anyone is saying. I predict March/April announcement, Production commencing late 2017 and an October 2018 release.

    Sounds about right,
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited December 2016 Posts: 8,112
    As long as they release by 2018, fine. Just please don't wait another year just for Craig...

    Then the new actor will have the 60th anniversary to live up to in 2022.

    Aidan will be 38/9 by that time, and possibly look even better suited for Bond than he does now.

    I like what I'm hearing, if this news is true.
  • tanaka123tanaka123
    Posts: 4,325
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    As long as they release by 2018, fine. Just please don't wait another year just for Craig...

    Then the new actor will have the 60th anniversary to live up to in 2022.

    Aidan will be 38/9 by that time, and possibly look even better suited for Bond than he does now.

    I like what I'm hearing, if this news is true.

    Aidan Turner will never be Bond.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    SirHilaryBray wrote: »
    I am sorry, and I wish I could disclose the source of this info. but I have no reason to doubt the woman who told me.

    That following Spectre, Daniel made it clear to EON he wanted to do more TV and stage work before he would consider a return. Broccoli proposed that she produce a play and cast Dan (Othello) and it would allow him to fulfil what he wants to do, but also allows the two of them to spend time collaborating on the Bond 25.

    Now this is being reported, which appears to give further credence.

    http://www.deccanherald.com/content/586194/daniel-craig-may-return-james.html


    "Daniel thinks of himself as a 'serious actor,' and he wants to stretch his artistic muscles.

    And Barbara really believes in his talent. For her to do this (play) for him is a gift- of course
    she wants him back - this is going to entice him to make another Bond movie," a source said".


    It makes sense. I suspect plans for Bond 25 are much further on than anyone is saying. I predict March/April announcement, Production commencing late 2017 and an October 2018 release.

    That all makes sense.. thanks for sharing.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    In any case I just hope EoN give it their all when getting the script together. It makes no difference if Craig comes back or not; and we have another troubled preproduction and the script becomes a casualty.
    Personally, I'm rooting for Craig to return and hopefully time will soon confirm this.
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