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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    QOS and SPECTRE are both half-baked. Each have some beautiful scenes, but on the whole are weak. Let's hope Bond 25 restores the balance. Skyfall and Casino Royale are both home runs.

    Given the preproduction process for both films and how they turned out...QoS is a masterpiece compared to the absolute rubbish that is SP.
    I agree. QoS was wrecked by the Writers Strike, Spectre doesn’t really have an excuse.
    Precisely. In spite of its weaknesses, QoS is very fun to watch. I don't get bored with it in the slightest.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 7,983
    doubleoego wrote: »
    QOS and SPECTRE are both half-baked. Each have some beautiful scenes, but on the whole are weak. Let's hope Bond 25 restores the balance. Skyfall and Casino Royale are both home runs.

    Given the preproduction process for both films and how they turned out...QoS is a masterpiece compared to the absolute rubbish that is SP.

    +1
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited February 2019 Posts: 4,343
    One man comes to this thread hoping for some B25 news (or at least, some DISCUSSION or SPECULATION) and we're again on the off-topic SP is trash mode. Jesus Christ. JESUS CHRIST.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Welcome to MI6 Community. :D
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    Welcome to MI6 Community. :D

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  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    matt_u wrote: »
    One man comes to this thread hoping for some B25 news (or at least, some DISCUSSION or SPECULATION) and we're again on the off-topic SP is trash mode. Jesus Christ. JESUS CHRIST.

    So, what does Christ have to do with it?
  • Posts: 9,779
    talos7 wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    One man comes to this thread hoping for some B25 news (or at least, some DISCUSSION or SPECULATION) and we're again on the off-topic SP is trash mode. Jesus Christ. JESUS CHRIST.

    So, what does Christ have to do with it?

    No we are not talking religion here
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Risico007 wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    One man comes to this thread hoping for some B25 news (or at least, some DISCUSSION or SPECULATION) and we're again on the off-topic SP is trash mode. Jesus Christ. JESUS CHRIST.

    So, what does Christ have to do with it?
    No we are not talking religion here
    Whatever Ricardo Montalban talks about, I'm fine with it. ;)
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
    Posts: 1,533
    Risico007 wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    One man comes to this thread hoping for some B25 news (or at least, some DISCUSSION or SPECULATION) and we're again on the off-topic SP is trash mode. Jesus Christ. JESUS CHRIST.

    So, what does Christ have to do with it?

    No we are not talking religion here

    For real. I think we all learned that some things should not be discussed here.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,554
    doubleoego wrote: »
    QOS and SPECTRE are both half-baked. Each have some beautiful scenes, but on the whole are weak. Let's hope Bond 25 restores the balance. Skyfall and Casino Royale are both home runs.

    Given the preproduction process for both films and how they turned out...QoS is a masterpiece compared to the absolute rubbish that is SP.
    I agree. QoS was wrecked by the Writers Strike, Spectre doesn’t really have an excuse.
    Precisely. In spite of its weaknesses, QoS is very fun to watch. I don't get bored with it in the slightest.

    I don't get bored with any of DC's Bond films. SP is the weakest entry of them, but I still watch it and get much out of it. In fact, SP has quickly become the "weirdest" of all Bond films, and by "weird" I don't mean in a David Lynch sort of way. I mean that there are tonal, dramatic, setting, and casting oddities that ultimately make a film so forgettable that it in turn it becomes unforgettable.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 7,983
    Risico007 wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    One man comes to this thread hoping for some B25 news (or at least, some DISCUSSION or SPECULATION) and we're again on the off-topic SP is trash mode. Jesus Christ. JESUS CHRIST.

    So, what does Christ have to do with it?

    No we are not talking religion here

    My point exactly, that’s why I asked.

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    TripAces wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    QOS and SPECTRE are both half-baked. Each have some beautiful scenes, but on the whole are weak. Let's hope Bond 25 restores the balance. Skyfall and Casino Royale are both home runs.

    Given the preproduction process for both films and how they turned out...QoS is a masterpiece compared to the absolute rubbish that is SP.
    I agree. QoS was wrecked by the Writers Strike, Spectre doesn’t really have an excuse.
    Precisely. In spite of its weaknesses, QoS is very fun to watch. I don't get bored with it in the slightest.

    I don't get bored with any of DC's Bond films. SP is the weakest entry of them, but I still watch it and get much out of it. In fact, SP has quickly become the "weirdest" of all Bond films, and by "weird" I don't mean in a David Lynch sort of way. I mean that there are tonal, dramatic, setting, and casting oddities that ultimately make a film so forgettable that it in turn it becomes unforgettable.
    I feel that way about Brosnan films, with TWINE being its weakest link.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    talos7 wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    One man comes to this thread hoping for some B25 news (or at least, some DISCUSSION or SPECULATION) and we're again on the off-topic SP is trash mode. Jesus Christ. JESUS CHRIST.

    So, what does Christ have to do with it?

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  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    TripAces wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    QOS and SPECTRE are both half-baked. Each have some beautiful scenes, but on the whole are weak. Let's hope Bond 25 restores the balance. Skyfall and Casino Royale are both home runs.

    Given the preproduction process for both films and how they turned out...QoS is a masterpiece compared to the absolute rubbish that is SP.
    I agree. QoS was wrecked by the Writers Strike, Spectre doesn’t really have an excuse.
    Precisely. In spite of its weaknesses, QoS is very fun to watch. I don't get bored with it in the slightest.

    I don't get bored with any of DC's Bond films. SP is the weakest entry of them, but I still watch it and get much out of it. In fact, SP has quickly become the "weirdest" of all Bond films, and by "weird" I don't mean in a David Lynch sort of way. I mean that there are tonal, dramatic, setting, and casting oddities that ultimately make a film so forgettable that it in turn it becomes unforgettable.

    I always found SP weird from the get go, which is why I’ve cut it some slack. There’s lots technically wrong with it, particularly in a narrative sense, but all I ask of my Bond’s is that they’re distinctive. For better or worse, I think SP is. Put it this way, I can’t imagine switching Bond out for any other character in either of CR, SF or SP, but it’s almost too easy to switch Matt Damon into QoS with little to no impact. It’s a generic film, that has none of the inventiveness or, indeed, oddities that make up the other three (to varying degrees).

    QoS is a film suffering an identity crisis. It tries too hard not to be a Bond film, unlike CR and SF, for example, which are trying to be a ‘different’ Bond films, but Bond films all the same.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 7,983
    matt_u wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    One man comes to this thread hoping for some B25 news (or at least, some DISCUSSION or SPECULATION) and we're again on the off-topic SP is trash mode. Jesus Christ. JESUS CHRIST.

    So, what does Christ have to do with it?

    tumblr_mk3r19HR6Z1r9pt1so3_500.gif

    I’ve got to say, very clever. ;)

  • edited February 2019 Posts: 11,425
    RC7 wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    QOS and SPECTRE are both half-baked. Each have some beautiful scenes, but on the whole are weak. Let's hope Bond 25 restores the balance. Skyfall and Casino Royale are both home runs.

    Given the preproduction process for both films and how they turned out...QoS is a masterpiece compared to the absolute rubbish that is SP.
    I agree. QoS was wrecked by the Writers Strike, Spectre doesn’t really have an excuse.
    Precisely. In spite of its weaknesses, QoS is very fun to watch. I don't get bored with it in the slightest.

    I don't get bored with any of DC's Bond films. SP is the weakest entry of them, but I still watch it and get much out of it. In fact, SP has quickly become the "weirdest" of all Bond films, and by "weird" I don't mean in a David Lynch sort of way. I mean that there are tonal, dramatic, setting, and casting oddities that ultimately make a film so forgettable that it in turn it becomes unforgettable.

    I always found SP weird from the get go, which is why I’ve cut it some slack. There’s lots technically wrong with it, particularly in a narrative sense, but all I ask of my Bond’s is that they’re distinctive. For better or worse, I think SP is. Put it this way, I can’t imagine switching Bond out for any other character in either of CR, SF or SP, but it’s almost too easy to switch Matt Damon into QoS with little to no impact. It’s a generic film, that has none of the inventiveness or, indeed, oddities that make up the other three (to varying degrees).

    QoS is a film suffering an identity crisis. It tries too hard not to be a Bond film, unlike CR and SF, for example, which are trying to be a ‘different’ Bond films, but Bond films all the same.

    Profound misunderstanding of QOS IMO.

    Possibly the most Bondian film we've had since 1987.

    Far more reminiscent of very early Bond than anything else Craig has been in.

    It's chocca full of classic Bondian elements but with a slight fresh. It absolutely wants to be a Bond movie but definitely doesn't want to be another greatest hits tick box exercise.

    Bit like LTK. On first watch it's a "WtF" movie and then you rewatch and realise it's got 'James Bond' running through the middle like a stick of rock.

    Also happens to challenge CR for Craig's best performance as Bond which way too many people just seem to overlook.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 5,990
    Can you imagine this forum from 1974-1977?

    "Moore doesn't have what it takes to go the distance. He's just not James Bond. Get Connery. Even Jason Connery. Pay him whatever."

    "Why does Cubby keep hiring Mankiewicz?"

    "That was easily Barry's weakest score. Bring back Martin!"

    etc.

    B25 will be fine.
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    May be. But I think TSWLM would have silenced a lot of the doubters.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 5,990
    Getafix wrote: »
    May be. But I think TSWLM would have silenced a lot of the doubters.

    That's my point.
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    Oh yeah. Sorry.

    Well it would have been fair comment. He didn't really hit his stride til Spy.

    Makes you wonder what Dalts would have done with a third movie, given he hit it out of the park from day one.
  • RC7RC7
    edited February 2019 Posts: 10,512
    Getafix wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    QOS and SPECTRE are both half-baked. Each have some beautiful scenes, but on the whole are weak. Let's hope Bond 25 restores the balance. Skyfall and Casino Royale are both home runs.

    Given the preproduction process for both films and how they turned out...QoS is a masterpiece compared to the absolute rubbish that is SP.
    I agree. QoS was wrecked by the Writers Strike, Spectre doesn’t really have an excuse.
    Precisely. In spite of its weaknesses, QoS is very fun to watch. I don't get bored with it in the slightest.

    I don't get bored with any of DC's Bond films. SP is the weakest entry of them, but I still watch it and get much out of it. In fact, SP has quickly become the "weirdest" of all Bond films, and by "weird" I don't mean in a David Lynch sort of way. I mean that there are tonal, dramatic, setting, and casting oddities that ultimately make a film so forgettable that it in turn it becomes unforgettable.

    I always found SP weird from the get go, which is why I’ve cut it some slack. There’s lots technically wrong with it, particularly in a narrative sense, but all I ask of my Bond’s is that they’re distinctive. For better or worse, I think SP is. Put it this way, I can’t imagine switching Bond out for any other character in either of CR, SF or SP, but it’s almost too easy to switch Matt Damon into QoS with little to no impact. It’s a generic film, that has none of the inventiveness or, indeed, oddities that make up the other three (to varying degrees).

    QoS is a film suffering an identity crisis. It tries too hard not to be a Bond film, unlike CR and SF, for example, which are trying to be a ‘different’ Bond films, but Bond films all the same.

    Profound misunderstanding of QOS IMO.

    Possibly the most Bondian film we've had since 1987.

    Far more reminiscent of very early Bond than anything else Craig has been in.

    It’s nothing like early Bond. It’s far too earnest for that.
    Getafix wrote: »
    Bit like LTK. On first watch it's a "WtF" movie and then you rewatch and realise it's got 'James Bond' running through the middle like a stick of rock.

    It is like LTK, in the sense both very closely ape the style du jour, but do nothing to progress it or mix it up. Where LTK is streets ahead is in its ability to tell an engaging story, with great characters. Sanchez and Greene are aeons apart. Both examples of trying to ‘ground’ the villains and their schemes in reality. One is pulled off with aplomb, the other is gossamer thin and dissolves on contact with air.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    TSWLM is definitely superior to three of its predecessors but anyone complaining about Roger’s performance as Bond in his first two would be biased like hell. He gave a terrific performance in TMWTGG alone.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    talos7 wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    One man comes to this thread hoping for some B25 news (or at least, some DISCUSSION or SPECULATION) and we're again on the off-topic SP is trash mode. Jesus Christ. JESUS CHRIST.

    So, what does Christ have to do with it?

    tumblr_mk3r19HR6Z1r9pt1so3_500.gif

    I’ve got to say, very clever. ;)

    :)
    RC7 wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    QOS and SPECTRE are both half-baked. Each have some beautiful scenes, but on the whole are weak. Let's hope Bond 25 restores the balance. Skyfall and Casino Royale are both home runs.

    Given the preproduction process for both films and how they turned out...QoS is a masterpiece compared to the absolute rubbish that is SP.
    I agree. QoS was wrecked by the Writers Strike, Spectre doesn’t really have an excuse.
    Precisely. In spite of its weaknesses, QoS is very fun to watch. I don't get bored with it in the slightest.

    I don't get bored with any of DC's Bond films. SP is the weakest entry of them, but I still watch it and get much out of it. In fact, SP has quickly become the "weirdest" of all Bond films, and by "weird" I don't mean in a David Lynch sort of way. I mean that there are tonal, dramatic, setting, and casting oddities that ultimately make a film so forgettable that it in turn it becomes unforgettable.

    I always found SP weird from the get go, which is why I’ve cut it some slack. There’s lots technically wrong with it, particularly in a narrative sense, but all I ask of my Bond’s is that they’re distinctive. For better or worse, I think SP is. Put it this way, I can’t imagine switching Bond out for any other character in either of CR, SF or SP, but it’s almost too easy to switch Matt Damon into QoS with little to no impact. It’s a generic film, that has none of the inventiveness or, indeed, oddities that make up the other three (to varying degrees).

    QoS is a film suffering an identity crisis. It tries too hard not to be a Bond film, unlike CR and SF, for example, which are trying to be a ‘different’ Bond films, but Bond films all the same.

    +1.

    Good points. I think QoS in the end is still a Bond movie, but definitely the most "conceptual" and "abstract" one. Still, remains a unique entry.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited February 2019 Posts: 2,541
    TSWLM is definitely superior to three of its predecessors but anyone complaining about Roger’s performance as Bond in his first two would be biased like hell. He gave a terrific performance in TMWTGG alone.

    Agreed about Roger's performance he was at his best in TMWTGG & OP
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
    Posts: 754
    RC7 wrote: »
    QoS is a film suffering an identity crisis. It tries too hard not to be a Bond film, unlike CR and SF, for example, which are trying to be a ‘different’ Bond films, but Bond films all the same.
    I agree to a large extent about QoS, but would say SF is stretching identity too in terms of Bond the character and story “theming” which weren’t Bond at all. SF is just better executed/completed screenplay.

    The auteur Bond films, which I think we aren’t leaving anytime soon, I just find disappointing after CR. I wish they kept that creative team, focus on source material, and Craig’s performance for a few more movies.
    echo wrote: »
    B25 will be fine.
    I’m hoping Mar 1st will inject enthusiasm and confidence in where they’re headed.
  • Posts: 11,425
    TSWLM is definitely superior to three of its predecessors but anyone complaining about Roger’s performance as Bond in his first two would be biased like hell. He gave a terrific performance in TMWTGG alone.

    Agreed about Roger's performance he was at his best in TMWTGG & OP

    I enjoy all Roger's films, some more than others. But I don't think anyone can deny he hit his stride with OHMSS.

    Despite it's iconic status I find LaLD one of his most lacklustre entries. SPY by contrast is just firing on all cylinders.

    Gun is highly entertaining but OP is perhaps my favourite Rog entry.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    TSWLM is definitely superior to three of its predecessors but anyone complaining about Roger’s performance as Bond in his first two would be biased like hell. He gave a terrific performance in TMWTGG alone.
    Agreed about Roger's performance he was at his best in TMWTGG & OP
    “Per ora, e per il momento che verra. To this moment and the moment yet to come.”

    That line is delivered so smoothly you know he’s the man to look up to when you have to impress a woman on a date. I raise my glass to Moore in applause every time I hear him saying that line.

    “There’s a useful four letter word, and you’re full of it. When I kill it’s on the specific orders of my government. And those I kill are themselves killers.”

    He sounded very threatening there and very Bondian it draws a smile on my face in admiration of the man. One of Moore’s finest moments.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 7,983
    TSWLM is definitely superior to three of its predecessors but anyone complaining about Roger’s performance as Bond in his first two would be biased like hell. He gave a terrific performance in TMWTGG alone.

    Indeed, take Moore’s portrayal of Bond in TMWTGG, and drop it into an overall superior film, and it would be a classic.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    talos7 wrote: »
    TSWLM is definitely superior to three of its predecessors but anyone complaining about Roger’s performance as Bond in his first two would be biased like hell. He gave a terrific performance in TMWTGG alone.
    Indeed, take Moore’s portrayal of Bond in TMWTGG, and drop it into an overall superior film, and it would be a classic.
    Couldn’t agree more.
  • edited February 2019 Posts: 11,425
    I need to rewatch Gun. I've always enjoyed it. Quirky film with lots going on.
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