No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited September 2018 Posts: 3,494
    TR007 wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    TR007 wrote: »
    Don’t feed the trolls please people.

    Excuse me Sir, but I'm no troll.

    Now it's not even permitted to share some perplexity about Clarkson? After tons of exhausting OFF TOPIC complaints, frustration and toxicity about "Spectre ruined my life", "Craig and Barbara ruined the franchise", "How I miss the good old times" in a topic titled B25 Production Diary?

    Good to know.
    My comment was aimed at you. Speaks volumes that you thought it was.

    You made your comment when there where just me and Panchito posting "against" Clarkson etc etc. You said trolls. BTW, fine. :)
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 6,470
    matt_u wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    2018. Wake up.

    I'm not saying someone like Clarkson couldn't deliver a good Bond movie. No one can know, in fact. I'm saying that the idea of a Bond movie IN 2018 made by someone who never made a feature film in her life it's a long shot. If you look at the best blockbuster ever made (especially in this era of over saturated blockbuster franchises) they always have a strong director with a clear, strong and personal vision behind it. Assuming as a fact that any TV director could deliver a great movie of this size just because in 2018 TV is no more just soap opera crap it's also wrong.

    Yes, there are people like Peter Jackson who directed TLotR after some small horror b-movies, but it was a dream project for him, something he worked on for a decade. This scenario here is very different, with pre-production and script polishing goin on without even a director 3/4 months from principal photography.

    Nobody is assuming that it's going to be great. The issue here is that some people have already assumed that it won't be. Of course it could turn out to be rubbish. Anything could happen. Spectre had an Oscar-winning director coming back from the most successful Bond film in 40 years, and look how that turned out.

    Throwing out things like "TV directors wouldn't be able to handle the schedule" just makes you look ignorant. I mean that in the nicest way possible considering how this thread has riled me today.

    Mods: apologies for the language slips earlier. Though, to my credit, the first drafts were far cussier.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited September 2018 Posts: 2,541
    Why do people keep saying that Sam Mendes couldn't make a decent chase after he already made an opening like SF. SP was different scenario all together.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe "I need a year off" Craig
    Posts: 7,305
    This film is rushing to meet a deadline as it is. The last thing it needs is a director who has never made a film before, let alone a blockbuster.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    edited September 2018 Posts: 4,043
    Shardlake wrote: »
    To be honest I'm not particularly keen on a woman directing Bond 25 and that is my opinion I stand by. Bond is a man's man in a small testosterone fueled world. A woman directing a Bond film sounds like a politically correct gimmick to me, especially in this day and age, to cater to certain 'movements'. There is a reason most boys, when they're young, play with guns and are rowdy in general and the majority of women aren't. I don't know of any female director who is particularly keen on Bond, car chases, seducing women, to name a few.

    I know one male director who can't pull of a decent car chase.

    Marc Forster?

    I know plenty including myself that find the QOS PTS thrilling, yes the editing is a little frenetic but compare that to Mendes directing 2 very expensive sports car casually drive around Rome with little next to no suspense.

  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe "I need a year off" Craig
    Posts: 7,305
    Bentley007 wrote: »
    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/news/white-boy-rick-director-adapting-ken-loach-film-1141232?__twitter_impression=true

    Yann Demange has committed to another project. No production dates yet. He is becoming quite popular

    Does this mean he is out of the running?
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 6,470
    This film is rushing to meet a deadline as it is. The last thing it needs is a director who has never made a film before, let alone a blockbuster.

    It's not rushing yet.
  • Bentley007Bentley007 Manitoba, Canada
    Posts: 521
    Bentley007 wrote: »
    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/news/white-boy-rick-director-adapting-ken-loach-film-1141232?__twitter_impression=true

    Yann Demange has committed to another project. No production dates yet. He is becoming quite popular

    Does this mean he is out of the running?

    I don't think it removes him. Seems to me it confirms that he truly is an up and comer. Makes me want him as director even more.
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
    Posts: 938
    Shardlake wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    To be honest I'm not particularly keen on a woman directing Bond 25 and that is my opinion I stand by. Bond is a man's man in a small testosterone fueled world. A woman directing a Bond film sounds like a politically correct gimmick to me, especially in this day and age, to cater to certain 'movements'. There is a reason most boys, when they're young, play with guns and are rowdy in general and the majority of women aren't. I don't know of any female director who is particularly keen on Bond, car chases, seducing women, to name a few.

    I know one male director who can't pull of a decent car chase.

    Marc Forster?

    I know plenty including myself that find the QOS PTS thrilling, yes the editing is a little frenetic but compare that to Mendes directing 2 very expensive sports car casually drive around Rome with little next to no suspense.

    Equally bad in my book, for different reasons indeed.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    edited September 2018 Posts: 4,043
    matt_u wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    2018. Wake up.

    I'm not saying someone like Clarkson couldn't deliver a good Bond movie. No one can know, in fact. I'm saying that the idea of a Bond movie IN 2018 made by someone who never made a feature film in her life it's a long shot. If you look at the best blockbuster ever made (especially in this era of over saturated blockbuster franchises) they always have a strong director with a clear, strong and personal vision behind it. Assuming as a fact that any TV director could deliver a great movie of this size just because in 2018 TV is no more just soap opera crap it's also wrong.

    Yes, there are people like Peter Jackson who directed TLotR after some small horror b-movies, but it was a dream project for him, something he worked on for a decade. This scenario here is very different, with pre-production and script polishing goin on without even a director 3/4 months from principal photography.

    Nobody is assuming that it's going to be great. The issue here is that some people have already assumed that it won't be. Of course it could turn out to be rubbish. Anything could happen. Spectre had an Oscar-winning director coming back from the most successful Bond film in 40 years, and look how that turned out.

    Throwing out things like "TV directors wouldn't be able to handle the schedule" just makes you look ignorant. I mean that in the nicest way possible considering how this thread has riled me today.

    Mods: apologies for the language slips earlier. Though, to my credit, the first drafts were far cussier.

    I'd be interested to know where @matt_u is qualified to question the @ColonelSun but then why again should I bother we are living in a time where utter novices can talk down people of experience.

    Also I apply this to things happening other than just a Bond internet forum.

    If @matt_u is part of the industry I of course apologise.
  • Posts: 4,619
    Any First ADs / Production Managers looking at these claims that a mid-budget, very accomplished TV/Netflix director "wouldn't be able to handle" a feature film shooting schedule must be feeling hugely underappreciated. An incredibly thankless position.
    The schooting schedule won't be a problem, especially with Barbara Broccoli producing (yes, I believe she is incompetent, but where she always fails is pre-production, not the production, aka filming) and a first-rate second unit director. What the issue is is that they are condsidering downgrading from the likes of Mendes and Boyle to a complete unknown.
  • To be honest I'm not particularly keen on a woman directing Bond 25 and that is my opinion I stand by. Bond is a man's man in a small testosterone fueled world. A woman directing a Bond film sounds like a politically correct gimmick to me, especially in this day and age, to cater to certain 'movements'. There is a reason most boys, when they're young, play with guns and are rowdy in general and the majority of women aren't. I don't know of any female director who is particularly keen on Bond, car chases, seducing women, to name a few.

    Kathryn Bigelow and Patty Jenkins to name two.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 3,494
    matt_u wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    2018. Wake up.

    I'm not saying someone like Clarkson couldn't deliver a good Bond movie. No one can know, in fact. I'm saying that the idea of a Bond movie IN 2018 made by someone who never made a feature film in her life it's a long shot. If you look at the best blockbuster ever made (especially in this era of over saturated blockbuster franchises) they always have a strong director with a clear, strong and personal vision behind it. Assuming as a fact that any TV director could deliver a great movie of this size just because in 2018 TV is no more just soap opera crap it's also wrong.

    Yes, there are people like Peter Jackson who directed TLotR after some small horror b-movies, but it was a dream project for him, something he worked on for a decade. This scenario here is very different, with pre-production and script polishing goin on without even a director 3/4 months from principal photography.

    Nobody is assuming that it's going to be great. The issue here is that some people have already assumed that it won't be. Of course it could turn out to be rubbish. Anything could happen. Spectre had an Oscar-winning director coming back from the most successful Bond film in 40 years, and look how that turned out.

    Throwing out things like "TV directors wouldn't be able to handle the schedule" just makes you look ignorant. I mean that in the nicest way possible considering how this thread has riled me today.

    Mods: apologies for the language slips earlier. Though, to my credit, the first drafts were far cussier.

    Well, to me Spectre turned out great. But we're not talking about tastes right?

    And I never talked just about "schedule issues", come on. Read again my comments. If you think directing something like Collateral in London presents the same issues that directing a globetrotting 200 million dollars movie (debut) with hundreds and hundreds of employees working with more experienced people than you, plus all the pressure that a Bond movie carries on the shoulder of a director, well fine. To me, this assumption sounds also a little naive.

    The best thing we can do is waiting for an announcement. Ah, and I never assumed B25 it's not goin to be great.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 3,494
    Shardlake wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    2018. Wake up.

    I'm not saying someone like Clarkson couldn't deliver a good Bond movie. No one can know, in fact. I'm saying that the idea of a Bond movie IN 2018 made by someone who never made a feature film in her life it's a long shot. If you look at the best blockbuster ever made (especially in this era of over saturated blockbuster franchises) they always have a strong director with a clear, strong and personal vision behind it. Assuming as a fact that any TV director could deliver a great movie of this size just because in 2018 TV is no more just soap opera crap it's also wrong.

    Yes, there are people like Peter Jackson who directed TLotR after some small horror b-movies, but it was a dream project for him, something he worked on for a decade. This scenario here is very different, with pre-production and script polishing goin on without even a director 3/4 months from principal photography.

    Nobody is assuming that it's going to be great. The issue here is that some people have already assumed that it won't be. Of course it could turn out to be rubbish. Anything could happen. Spectre had an Oscar-winning director coming back from the most successful Bond film in 40 years, and look how that turned out.

    Throwing out things like "TV directors wouldn't be able to handle the schedule" just makes you look ignorant. I mean that in the nicest way possible considering how this thread has riled me today.

    Mods: apologies for the language slips earlier. Though, to my credit, the first drafts were far cussier.

    I'd be interested to know where @matt_u is qualified to question the @ColonelSun but then why again should I bother we are living in a time where utter novices can talk down people of experience.

    Also I apply this to things happening in other than a world of a Bond internet forum.

    If @matt_u is part of the industry I of course apologise.

    We're talking about possibilities here. As I said before I'm no producer but you don't need to work in the industry to understand that assuming as a fact that any TV director could deliver a great movie of this size just because in 2018 TV is no more just soap opera crap it's a really long shot.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe "I need a year off" Craig
    Posts: 7,305
    matt_u wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    2018. Wake up.

    I'm not saying someone like Clarkson couldn't deliver a good Bond movie. No one can know, in fact. I'm saying that the idea of a Bond movie IN 2018 made by someone who never made a feature film in her life it's a long shot. If you look at the best blockbuster ever made (especially in this era of over saturated blockbuster franchises) they always have a strong director with a clear, strong and personal vision behind it. Assuming as a fact that any TV director could deliver a great movie of this size just because in 2018 TV is no more just soap opera crap it's also wrong.

    Yes, there are people like Peter Jackson who directed TLotR after some small horror b-movies, but it was a dream project for him, something he worked on for a decade. This scenario here is very different, with pre-production and script polishing goin on without even a director 3/4 months from principal photography.

    Nobody is assuming that it's going to be great. The issue here is that some people have already assumed that it won't be. Of course it could turn out to be rubbish. Anything could happen. Spectre had an Oscar-winning director coming back from the most successful Bond film in 40 years, and look how that turned out.

    Throwing out things like "TV directors wouldn't be able to handle the schedule" just makes you look ignorant. I mean that in the nicest way possible considering how this thread has riled me today.

    Mods: apologies for the language slips earlier. Though, to my credit, the first drafts were far cussier.

    I'd be interested to know where @matt_u is qualified to question the @ColonelSun but then why again should I bother we are living in a time where utter novices can talk down people of experience.

    Also I apply this to things happening in other than a world of a Bond internet forum.

    If @matt_u is part of the industry I of course apologise.

    We're talking about possibilities here. As I said before I'm no producer but you don't need to work in the industry to understand that assuming as a fact that any TV director could deliver a great movie of this size just because in 2018 TV is no more just soap opera crap it's a really long shot.

    Clutching at straws, I think is the term.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    edited September 2018 Posts: 4,043
    matt_u wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    2018. Wake up.

    I'm not saying someone like Clarkson couldn't deliver a good Bond movie. No one can know, in fact. I'm saying that the idea of a Bond movie IN 2018 made by someone who never made a feature film in her life it's a long shot. If you look at the best blockbuster ever made (especially in this era of over saturated blockbuster franchises) they always have a strong director with a clear, strong and personal vision behind it. Assuming as a fact that any TV director could deliver a great movie of this size just because in 2018 TV is no more just soap opera crap it's also wrong.

    Yes, there are people like Peter Jackson who directed TLotR after some small horror b-movies, but it was a dream project for him, something he worked on for a decade. This scenario here is very different, with pre-production and script polishing goin on without even a director 3/4 months from principal photography.

    Nobody is assuming that it's going to be great. The issue here is that some people have already assumed that it won't be. Of course it could turn out to be rubbish. Anything could happen. Spectre had an Oscar-winning director coming back from the most successful Bond film in 40 years, and look how that turned out.

    Throwing out things like "TV directors wouldn't be able to handle the schedule" just makes you look ignorant. I mean that in the nicest way possible considering how this thread has riled me today.

    Mods: apologies for the language slips earlier. Though, to my credit, the first drafts were far cussier.

    I'd be interested to know where @matt_u is qualified to question the @ColonelSun but then why again should I bother we are living in a time where utter novices can talk down people of experience.

    Also I apply this to things happening in other than a world of a Bond internet forum.

    If @matt_u is part of the industry I of course apologise.

    We're talking about possibilities here. As I said before I'm no producer but you don't need to work in the industry to understand that assuming as a fact that any TV director could deliver a great movie of this size just because in 2018 TV is no more just soap opera crap it's a really long shot.

    Clutching at straws, I think is the term.

    You are another one, I'm sorry you aren't in the industry just a keyboard warrior with a smart tongue.
  • Posts: 1,297
    Any First ADs / Production Managers looking at these claims that a mid-budget, very accomplished TV/Netflix director "wouldn't be able to handle" a feature film shooting schedule must be feeling hugely underappreciated. An incredibly thankless position.
    The schooting schedule won't be a problem, especially with Barbara Broccoli producing (yes, I believe she is incompetent, but where she always fails is pre-production, not the production, aka filming) and a first-rate second unit director. What the issue is is that they are condsidering downgrading from the likes of Mendes and Boyle to a complete unknown.

    BB is incompetent? How on earth could that be true? And, as I have already tried to explain, going in a new direction for a new director is not downgrading. A top level TV director knows how to step into an advanced production. Can u comprehend that?
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 6,470
    matt_u wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    2018. Wake up.

    I'm not saying someone like Clarkson couldn't deliver a good Bond movie. No one can know, in fact. I'm saying that the idea of a Bond movie IN 2018 made by someone who never made a feature film in her life it's a long shot. If you look at the best blockbuster ever made (especially in this era of over saturated blockbuster franchises) they always have a strong director with a clear, strong and personal vision behind it. Assuming as a fact that any TV director could deliver a great movie of this size just because in 2018 TV is no more just soap opera crap it's also wrong.

    Yes, there are people like Peter Jackson who directed TLotR after some small horror b-movies, but it was a dream project for him, something he worked on for a decade. This scenario here is very different, with pre-production and script polishing goin on without even a director 3/4 months from principal photography.

    Nobody is assuming that it's going to be great. The issue here is that some people have already assumed that it won't be. Of course it could turn out to be rubbish. Anything could happen. Spectre had an Oscar-winning director coming back from the most successful Bond film in 40 years, and look how that turned out.

    Throwing out things like "TV directors wouldn't be able to handle the schedule" just makes you look ignorant. I mean that in the nicest way possible considering how this thread has riled me today.

    Mods: apologies for the language slips earlier. Though, to my credit, the first drafts were far cussier.

    Well, to me Spectre turned out great. But we're not talking about tastes right?

    And I never talked just about "schedule issues", come on. Read again my comments. If you think directing something like Collateral in London presents the same issues that directing a globetrotting 200 million dollars movie (debut) with hundreds and hundreds of employees working with more experienced people than you, plus all the pressure that a Bond movie carries on the shoulder of a director, well fine. To me, this assumption sounds also a little naive.

    The best thing we can do is waiting for an announcement. Ah, and I never assumed B25 it's not goin to be great.

    Never said it presented the same issues. It presents many different issues, both more difficult and easier. The point is that a TV director is most often just as capable as a feature film director when it comes down to it. They just make 8-13 hours of a season in 8 months, as opposed to 2 and a bit hours in the same amount of time.

    Directors don't take charge of every employee on the shoot. They can interact with them all if they want to, but they can do their job exceptionally well without knowing the numbers of people employed. Production is a machine. On the set, on the day, it makes little difference. I've known some directors who come in and just work with the key crew, because that's all that's needed to get the job done well.

    And even numbers were relevant, do you think Jessica Jones or a BBC/Netflix co-production is made with a skeleton crew? Come on man. If you don't want her to direct, that's fine. But the reasons being put forward as to why she shouldn't are pure poppycock.

    And again, you seem to think that Bond is the only series that puts pressure on the director. Talk about naive.
  • Posts: 12,241
    They are surely going to make some sort of statement shortly?!!!!!
  • edited September 2018 Posts: 214
    To be honest I'm not particularly keen on a woman directing Bond

    God I hope we got some real news soon. Can't take much more of this sewer talk.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 6,470
    matt_u wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    2018. Wake up.

    I'm not saying someone like Clarkson couldn't deliver a good Bond movie. No one can know, in fact. I'm saying that the idea of a Bond movie IN 2018 made by someone who never made a feature film in her life it's a long shot. If you look at the best blockbuster ever made (especially in this era of over saturated blockbuster franchises) they always have a strong director with a clear, strong and personal vision behind it. Assuming as a fact that any TV director could deliver a great movie of this size just because in 2018 TV is no more just soap opera crap it's also wrong.

    Yes, there are people like Peter Jackson who directed TLotR after some small horror b-movies, but it was a dream project for him, something he worked on for a decade. This scenario here is very different, with pre-production and script polishing goin on without even a director 3/4 months from principal photography.

    Nobody is assuming that it's going to be great. The issue here is that some people have already assumed that it won't be. Of course it could turn out to be rubbish. Anything could happen. Spectre had an Oscar-winning director coming back from the most successful Bond film in 40 years, and look how that turned out.

    Throwing out things like "TV directors wouldn't be able to handle the schedule" just makes you look ignorant. I mean that in the nicest way possible considering how this thread has riled me today.

    Mods: apologies for the language slips earlier. Though, to my credit, the first drafts were far cussier.

    I'd be interested to know where @matt_u is qualified to question the @ColonelSun but then why again should I bother we are living in a time where utter novices can talk down people of experience.

    Also I apply this to things happening in other than a world of a Bond internet forum.

    If @matt_u is part of the industry I of course apologise.

    We're talking about possibilities here. As I said before I'm no producer but you don't need to work in the industry to understand that assuming as a fact that any TV director could deliver a great movie of this size just because in 2018 TV is no more just soap opera crap it's a really long shot.

    Clutching at straws, I think is the term.

    Or just poor comprehension on your part. Far more accurate, I would say.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing South Florida
    Posts: 3,784
    Been gone for about 3 hours and 114 new comments and thought there'd be actual news. Nope just more rigamaroll
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
    Posts: 16,058
    Maybe it should be time to put it on temporary lock until we get something substantial to talk about rather than put up with the fecal matter constantly swirling around the broken toilet.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe "I need a year off" Craig
    Posts: 7,305
    Been gone for about 3 hours and 114 new comments and thought there'd be actual news. Nope just more rigamaroll

    Blame EON. If they had gotten to Bond 25 sooner, all this could have been avoided.
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
    Posts: 938
    OwenDavian wrote: »
    To be honest I'm not particularly keen on a woman directing Bond 25 and that is my opinion I stand by. Bond is a man's man in a small testosterone fueled world. A woman directing a Bond film sounds like a politically correct gimmick to me, especially in this day and age, to cater to certain 'movements'. There is a reason most boys, when they're young, play with guns and are rowdy in general and the majority of women aren't. I don't know of any female director who is particularly keen on Bond, car chases, seducing women, to name a few.

    Kathryn Bigelow and Patty Jenkins to name two.

    Based on what films exactly? That abomination called Wonder Woman I had to turn off due to its complete lack of quality? Bigelow comes close, to decent-ish action that is, but Bond is a different animal. She's also expressed she has no interest in Bond, so that's that.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,479
    So what’s the issue here - that a TV director cannot transition to a big franchise film, or that now is not a preferable time? I can’t tell in amongst the dung.
  • edited September 2018 Posts: 4,619
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    BB is incompetent? How on earth could that be true? And, as I have already tried to explain, going in a new direction for a new director is not downgrading. A top level TV director knows how to step into an advanced production. Can u comprehend that?
    Are you seriously claiming going from the great Danny Boyle to a complete nobody is not downgrading? You can't possibly be serious. Even Demange would be a downgrade and Demange is MILES above SJ Clarkson. I'm sure even Brabra Broccoli, MGW and Daniel Craig would admit it in private that hiring any of these directors after Danny Boyle is a downgrade.
    RC7 wrote: »
    So what’s the issue here - that a TV director cannot transition to a big franchise film, or that now is not a preferable time? I can’t tell in amongst the dung.
    The issue is that the Bond franchise should be at this point in time (after hiring Mendes and Boyle) above hiring TV directors who never directed a theatrical feature.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited September 2018 Posts: 6,470
    RC7 wrote: »
    So what’s the issue here - that a TV director cannot transition to a big franchise film, or that now is not a preferable time? I can’t tell in amongst the dung.

    The first one, accompanied by an incredible ignorance towards production and filmmaking in general.

    I've said everything I could possibly say, so from here I'll be fading back into the background. It makes me irrationally wish that there was an interview process for people who want to join the forums.
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
    Posts: 16,058
    Close the thread for a while please. This is getting out of hand. Children need to be put in time out.
  • Posts: 4,619
    Murdock wrote: »
    Close the thread for a while please. This is getting out of hand. Children need to be put in time out.
    I will never understand this mindset. Nobody is forcing you to read this thread. Why do you want to deprive others of the possibility to comment here?
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