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So why make the original threat? The whole in campaign is starting to be shown as a list of empty threats.
Two fantastic posts. Well done chaps.
So what will happen now? Well already Junker (apparently he's president of something. I wouldn't know him from Adam) throwing threats about that there won't be any renegotiation and he wants shot of us ASAP.
I imagine the EU will try to be brutally hard on the UK to scare other countries but this will be their final mistake as now other countires who demand a referendum will see it as what it is - the last desperate flailing of a dying beast. These threats are just a verbal Berlin Wall now that they are trying to erect to keep all their citizens from deserting their creaking and pointless bureaucracy.
Merkel letting the truth of how she views theEU slip earlier today:
'She said he’s invited French President François Hollande, European Council President Donald Tusk and Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi for a meeting on Monday ahead of Tuesday’s EU summit.'
Hmm curious. I thought the EU was a solid Union of 27 nations? A bit odd Latvia and Romania not invited to this meeting?
'Angela it's Slovenia here. I hear you're having an important meeting on Monday. Where is it being held we didn't seem to get our invite?'
'Yes the EU is a big union of nations as equals and of course you all have an important voice but there's serious shit going down here so it's just the proper countries talking now. We'll try and let you know what we've decided on your behalf at some point but we're far too worried about our cash to keep up the pretence of giving the slightest f**k what you or Latvia or Bulgaria think just now.'
When are liberals proved wrong? It is the Conservative viewpoints and agendas that have been repeatedly proven wrong for centuries.
I didn't know realizing the earth revolves around the sun (as Conservatives once refused to accept) was an opinion. Science, as usual, always proves Conservatism wrong.
What do you mean? Do you mean conservative or Conservative? World of difference.
to try and stay somewhat current in his examples. :))
Yes, funny that. Cameron's big mistake was not going back to the Year Dot. ;)
Sorry. Just giving the earliest of a whole history of Conservative (yes, I will capitalize it) viewpoints that are proven wrong. It's been the course of human history.
You guys just screwed yourselves six ways to Sunday. It would be hilarious if not so tragic.
There was a time when I would have expected UK politicians, the UK boadcast media, the Church, Trade Unions, etc, to stand up for ordinary people but instead we've seen the opposite. We've seen working class people demonized for having genuine concerns about mass immigration and the effect on job prospects, wage levels, infrastructure and culture. Accusations of racism have been used to close down any debate on immigration. The elites have abandoned the working classes in favour of divisive identity politics and an unholy alliance with big business. This combined with the arrogance and threats from the Juncker types at the head of the EU meant that our out of touch leaders got the bloody nose they so richly deserved.
Hopefully the EU will collapse and something new will take its place, something more democratic, accountable and relatable, something that recognises the differences between us as well as what we have in common, something that is perceived to be taking account of people's interests, instead of the interests of the greedy political classes many of whom have already been rejected at a national level.
they belive in. By the way how are things working out in the colonies ? :D
Heading in the same direction as you, if Trump wins this election. (But this is unlikely.)
Belief is a problem when facts prove those beliefs wrong. I have friends who "believe" homosexuality is a sin and choice and reject any science that suggests it is biological. (Just another example.) Our Cons here flat out reject climate science...mostly because it clashes with a "belief" that God created a world that man can't destroy.
In time, history will show that yesterday's vote was not good. (Though the vote isn't about belief as much as one's economic reality.) I am scared for us all.