SPECTRE: It grossed $880 Million Worldwide (..and 2015 was the biggest box office year so far)

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  • Yeah its always a good headline to say "The box office exceeded our expectations!" rather than just say, yeah it opened to pretty much what we expected.

    boxoffice.com is still projecting $90 million.
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    I have been checking some of the sources of that article, including the quotes in there from an official of boxoffice.com. I really think they still base this prediction on earlier long-range forecasts (four/three weeks ago).

    A theater count of 3,500?? Don't make me laugh. Looking at the tremendous box office success, and even some underestimation from Sony's side regarding the theater count back then -also 3,500- you should at least expect a fierce increase towards 4,000 theaters.

    Let's see what happens next week, but I think an opening weekend of $ 80 Million is a very very very soft prediction. I do understand Sony though ;-). Obviously they are even more careful now with their ≈$65 Million, so that a 'sudden' $100 Million opening weekend would be another 'big story'.

    I agree with your thoughts on the matter ...............despite the competition from the 'Peanuts Movie' next week, i think 'Spectre' is gonna open bigger than most have predicted. :)

    Plus, the International grosses for that weekend are going to be huge.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited October 2015 Posts: 23,883
    They're obviously downplaying it intentionally.

    $100m or thereabouts is my prediction for the first weekend.

    The question is what happens next. SF had a 53% drop in week 2 which was reasonable given how strongly it opened ($88m). However, in week 3 it only fell 13% which was remarkable. So it was actually pulling in $35m on week 3.

    CR only fell 24% in week 2 but from a much smaller opening weekend of $41m,
    QoS had a good $67m opening but then a massive 60.4% drop in week 2 (word of mouth obviously not as good).

    Most notably CR in particular did very strong business over the Christmas holidays (it started to ramp back up around that time.....possibly because people who had not paid attention to Bond heard the good word of mouth and started going to check what the fuss was about). QoS did not recover during this time, but rather acted like a standard blockbuster which opens strong and then declines every following weekend. SF held up, but not to the extent that CR did (i.e. SF was a much more front loaded box office take in comparison to CR, but the numbers were also higher all along the way).

    I expect SP to the be the most front-loaded ever. So weeks 1-3 will (hopefully) be massive and then I expect it to tail off very rapidly (so I don't expect it to have SF's or CR's legs......the question is how rapid will the fall off be in the latter weeks? If it is not large enough to compensate for the very strong opening, then it could overall still beat SF's US total).

    It will be interesting to observe.

    However, let no one be under any illusions. SP will open huge in all (and I mean all) markets. Then it will have to walk the walk via word of mouth like SF & CR did.
  • Excellent points and I agree - SF had 'legs' - people in my place of work were still talking about it weeks after - and still planning to see it. You started to feel 'left out' if you hadn't been. I'm not sure SP will have quite the same pull
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    Excellent points and I agree - SF had 'legs' - people in my place of work were still talking about it weeks after - and still planning to see it. You started to feel 'left out' if you hadn't been. I'm not sure SP will have quite the same pull

    But then it might .. it might appeal to American audiences. I don't know.

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    Anybody know if the box office number for thursday is out?
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    Anybody know if the box office number for thursday is out?

    The studio and BO sites don't appear to of published yet the Thursdays BO take in the UK. Mind you we may not get to know them anyway, as BO sources normally only publish the weekend or weekly figures, not the daily figures except for the US.
    The only reason we have had reports of the first days take in the UK, is because the film was just released and the media were quoting the early BO figures in the UK, as a guide to how well the film was being received!

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    I have a mate who's the manager of our local cinema multiplex, and I know
    this is only hear say evidence but he says they have Spectre running in three
    screens and every showing is virtually sold out. :) so I think it will make a
    Healthy profit.
  • edited October 2015 Posts: 443
    Good news. Makes you wonder if whilst it isn't Skyfall 2, the fact it is a film from the same director as Skyfall but offering more action is bringing the crowds in.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    The whole review and ratings situation is very unsatisfying and somewhat puzzling.
    I found Skyfall to be ridiculously overpraised by critics but at least it was a good thing for the franchise and the movie.
    But all the contradictory stuff that's written about Spectre? I mean are there two version of that movie around and I have seen only the good version??
    I can't recall a Bond movie (GE to SF) ever receiving such mixed and different reviews.
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    The whole review and ratings situation is very unsatisfying and somewhat puzzling.
    I found Skyfall to be ridiculously overpraised by critics but at least it was a good thing for the franchise and the movie.
    But all the contradictory stuff that's written about Spectre? I mean are there two version of that movie around and I have seen only the good version??
    I can't recall a Bond movie (GE to SF) ever receiving such mixed and different reviews.

    "Skyfall" was not just a well-received film, like "Spy" or "Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation". It didn't just get high reviews for the sake of quality. "Skyfall" was a box office phenomenon and cultural cinematic phenomenon. And its successors almost always suffer from that. Especially from the reference point of a critic's mindset. A successor is in such a case always way more prone to comparisons, but wrong and good comparisons. I call it 'sequel backlash'.

    The funny thing is though, that sequel backlash doesn't necessarily influence its box office success. Just look at "Avengers 2" or "Minions" or "The Dark Knight Rises". On top of that, with less than stellar critics reviews "Thunderball", "Furious 7" and "Jurassic World" stunned the global box office.

    One last thing. The longevity of the Bond franchise and its age of 53 always creates an extra build-in backlash with regard to critics. It therefore suffers from extra scrutiny and a more dispersed set of movie/Bond fans. "Mission: Impossible" and "Jason Bourne" don't suffer from that....just yet. They are relatively new franchises, but there comes a day when their lead actors have to leave as well, like with Bond.

    Anyway, I'm not so worried about the current review aggregates like MetaCritic, Rottentomatoes, IMDB and Moviemeter. They are still high enough for "SPECTRE" and in part the success of "Skyfall" still echoes through "SPECTRE". :-)
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    The whole review and ratings situation is very unsatisfying and somewhat puzzling.
    I found Skyfall to be ridiculously overpraised by critics but at least it was a good thing for the franchise and the movie.
    But all the contradictory stuff that's written about Spectre? I mean are there two version of that movie around and I have seen only the good version??
    I can't recall a Bond movie (GE to SF) ever receiving such mixed and different reviews.

    "Skyfall" was not just a well-received film, like "Spy" or "Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation". It didn't just get high reviews for the sake of quality. "Skyfall" was a box office phenomenon and cultural cinematic phenomenon. And its successors almost always suffer from that. Especially from the reference point of a critic's mindset. A successor is in such a case always way more prone to comparisons, but wrong and good comparisons. I call it 'sequel backlash'.

    The funny thing is though, that sequel backlash doesn't necessarily influence its box office success. Just look at "Avengers 2" or "Minions" or "The Dark Knight Rises". On top of that, with less than stellar critics reviews "Thunderball", "Furious 7" and "Jurassic World" stunned the global box office.

    One last thing. The longevity of the Bond franchise and its age of 53 always creates an extra build-in backlash with regard to critics. It therefore suffers from extra scrutiny and a more dispersed set of movie/Bond fans. "Mission: Impossible" and "Jason Bourne" don't suffer from that....just yet. They are relatively new franchises, but there comes a day when their lead actors have to leave as well, like with Bond.

    Anyway, I'm not so worried about the current review aggregates like MetaCritic, Rottentomatoes, IMDB and Moviemeter. They are still high enough for "SPECTRE" and in part the success of "Skyfall" still echoes through "SPECTRE". :-)

    Good points GG. In reading the reviews I was getting annoyed by the constant comparisons to SF by some critics, instead of just concentrating on SP and what worked. It seems that some critics wanted a SF sequel and are dinging the film over not getting it. I'm glad it looks like we didn't get it and got a full out Bond film instead. I'm guessing the US BO will dip, but the rest of the world will hopefully make up the difference based on the great start in GB and the Netherlands.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    smitty wrote: »
    The whole review and ratings situation is very unsatisfying and somewhat puzzling.
    I found Skyfall to be ridiculously overpraised by critics but at least it was a good thing for the franchise and the movie.
    But all the contradictory stuff that's written about Spectre? I mean are there two version of that movie around and I have seen only the good version??
    I can't recall a Bond movie (GE to SF) ever receiving such mixed and different reviews.

    "Skyfall" was not just a well-received film, like "Spy" or "Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation". It didn't just get high reviews for the sake of quality. "Skyfall" was a box office phenomenon and cultural cinematic phenomenon. And its successors almost always suffer from that. Especially from the reference point of a critic's mindset. A successor is in such a case always way more prone to comparisons, but wrong and good comparisons. I call it 'sequel backlash'.

    The funny thing is though, that sequel backlash doesn't necessarily influence its box office success. Just look at "Avengers 2" or "Minions" or "The Dark Knight Rises". On top of that, with less than stellar critics reviews "Thunderball", "Furious 7" and "Jurassic World" stunned the global box office.

    One last thing. The longevity of the Bond franchise and its age of 53 always creates an extra build-in backlash with regard to critics. It therefore suffers from extra scrutiny and a more dispersed set of movie/Bond fans. "Mission: Impossible" and "Jason Bourne" don't suffer from that....just yet. They are relatively new franchises, but there comes a day when their lead actors have to leave as well, like with Bond.

    Anyway, I'm not so worried about the current review aggregates like MetaCritic, Rottentomatoes, IMDB and Moviemeter. They are still high enough for "SPECTRE" and in part the success of "Skyfall" still echoes through "SPECTRE". :-)

    Good points GG. In reading the reviews I was getting annoyed by the constant comparisons to SF by some critics, instead of just concentrating on SP and what worked. It seems that some critics wanted a SF sequel and are dinging the film over not getting it. I'm glad it looks like we didn't get it and got a full out Bond film instead. I'm guessing the US BO will dip, but the rest of the world will hopefully make up the difference based on the great start in GB and the Netherlands.

    I don't know ..American audiences may take more to SP than SF.
  • edited October 2015 Posts: 388
    The whole review and ratings situation is very unsatisfying and somewhat puzzling.
    I found Skyfall to be ridiculously overpraised by critics but at least it was a good thing for the franchise and the movie.
    But all the contradictory stuff that's written about Spectre? I mean are there two version of that movie around and I have seen only the good version??
    I can't recall a Bond movie (GE to SF) ever receiving such mixed and different reviews.
    QoF and DAD received very mixed reviews, but it was a different kind o "mixed".
    SP has received a lot of *** "good, but not great" reviews, some important ****/***** "brilliant, the best or one of the best Bonds ever" reviews and a few ** "poor or so so" reviews.
    QoS or DAD had a lot of ****/*** "thrilling, very entertaining" reviews and a lot of **/* "poor or bad movie" ones. And TND or TWINE were not so much different.
    My pont is that, within this obvious division, the average rating (6.5-7) is higher than QoS, DAD, TND or TWINE means (5.5-6).
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    smitty wrote: »
    The whole review and ratings situation is very unsatisfying and somewhat puzzling.
    I found Skyfall to be ridiculously overpraised by critics but at least it was a good thing for the franchise and the movie.
    But all the contradictory stuff that's written about Spectre? I mean are there two version of that movie around and I have seen only the good version??
    I can't recall a Bond movie (GE to SF) ever receiving such mixed and different reviews.

    "Skyfall" was not just a well-received film, like "Spy" or "Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation". It didn't just get high reviews for the sake of quality. "Skyfall" was a box office phenomenon and cultural cinematic phenomenon. And its successors almost always suffer from that. Especially from the reference point of a critic's mindset. A successor is in such a case always way more prone to comparisons, but wrong and good comparisons. I call it 'sequel backlash'.

    The funny thing is though, that sequel backlash doesn't necessarily influence its box office success. Just look at "Avengers 2" or "Minions" or "The Dark Knight Rises". On top of that, with less than stellar critics reviews "Thunderball", "Furious 7" and "Jurassic World" stunned the global box office.

    One last thing. The longevity of the Bond franchise and its age of 53 always creates an extra build-in backlash with regard to critics. It therefore suffers from extra scrutiny and a more dispersed set of movie/Bond fans. "Mission: Impossible" and "Jason Bourne" don't suffer from that....just yet. They are relatively new franchises, but there comes a day when their lead actors have to leave as well, like with Bond.

    Anyway, I'm not so worried about the current review aggregates like MetaCritic, Rottentomatoes, IMDB and Moviemeter. They are still high enough for "SPECTRE" and in part the success of "Skyfall" still echoes through "SPECTRE". :-)

    Good points GG. In reading the reviews I was getting annoyed by the constant comparisons to SF by some critics, instead of just concentrating on SP and what worked. It seems that some critics wanted a SF sequel and are dinging the film over not getting it. I'm glad it looks like we didn't get it and got a full out Bond film instead. I'm guessing the US BO will dip, but the rest of the world will hopefully make up the difference based on the great start in GB and the Netherlands.

    Even that.....should be scrutinized with a bit more nuance I think. Perhaps style-wise "SPECTRE" is different than its three predecessors, but narrative-/plot-wise the film es enturely a sequel of not only "Skyfall", but also "Casino" and "Quantum". Perhaps "SPECTRE" is like a perfect combination of "narrative sequel" vs. "typical Bond classic"?
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    I think so G-G - I'm so glad I've now got SP fresh in my Bond Universe with a big TBC feel to ESB than I was with SF
  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
    edited October 2015 Posts: 1,984
    It should do very well for November and early December, but come mid-December with the arrival of the new Star Wars movie, it'll take a hit to its worldwide gross, and without the "50 year anniversary" thing, I don't think it'll beat Skyfall. But in the UK? Probably.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    It should do very well for November and early December, but come mid-December with the arrival of the new Star Wars movie, it'll take a hit to its worldwide gross, and without the "50 year anniversary" thing, I don't think it'll beat Skyfall. But in the UK? Probably.

    It will have run its course by then. If the film has legs which based on reviews and fan reviews I think there is that possibility then it will be hanging in there like a ..umm ..spectre.
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    The Japanese market will give Bond a tail end boost in December!
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    ...true.
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    Well....it looks like we will have to wait now, until Sunday evening (North America)....for any further BO news on SP..........which will include the early estimates for the International BO grosses in the UK & the Netherlands!
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe JK ROFLing
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    I've never thought SPECTRE would make a billion, until recently. It's already outpacing SF in the UK, plus China has grown massively as a market in the last three years. It should reach 100 million in China easily. People are underestimating the good will from SF, and also this is a classic Bond film which general audiences have been clambering for for over a decade. I'm really starting to think that SP could be Craig's Thunderball. Less critically acclaimed than its predecessor but much bigger at the Box office.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    I've never thought SPECTRE would make a billion, until recently. It's already outpacing SF in the UK, plus China has grown massively as a market in the last three years. It should reach 100 million in China easily. People are underestimating the good will from SF, and also this is a classic Bond film which general audiences have been clambering for for over a decade. I'm really starting to think that SP could be Craig's Thunderball. Less critically acclaimed than its predecessor but much bigger at the Box office.

    Yes, you could be absolutely right.

    But then Spectre opens in record shattering numbers of cinemas around the globe which will automatically mean box office records for the first two weeks.
    After that ticket sales could drastically decrease because the fan base and people who would go and see it anyway have already seen it and if WoM is not really good undecided people could decide to go and watch something else instead.

    We'll see.
  • edited October 2015 Posts: 11,119
    As expected, box office pundits start changing, adjusting their initial, (way too) early box office predictions :-):

    http://pro.boxoffice.com/statistics/movies/bond-24-2015
    http://pro.boxoffice.com/featured_stories/2015-09-long-range-forecast-spectre
    BoxOffice.com has adjusted the opening weekend now to +$96 Million, though many of the theaters haven't been counted yet. Those sneeky basterds have actually updated their long range forecast, which initially was $90 Million :-).

    http://www.boxofficemojo.com
    BoxOfficeMojo.com has now started counting the theaters in the US for "SPECTRE", though this will rise as many smaller cinema chains haven't released their theater counts yet. It now stands at +3,800, which is 300 more than "SkyFall"s 3,500.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    I've never thought SPECTRE would make a billion, until recently. It's already outpacing SF in the UK, plus China has grown massively as a market in the last three years. It should reach 100 million in China easily. People are underestimating the good will from SF, and also this is a classic Bond film which general audiences have been clambering for for over a decade. I'm really starting to think that SP could be Craig's Thunderball. Less critically acclaimed than its predecessor but much bigger at the Box office.
    Agreed. Still too early to tell though.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited October 2015 Posts: 23,883
    $100m is the opening weekend box office stateside. At least. Could be as high as $105m imho.

    From my perspective, the key will be the narrative that is portrayed. That narrative (ultimately, if not initially) will not be shaped by the UK, nor by Europe. It will inevitably be shaped by the US market, since they are the biggest media market by far. If they are positive, then we will be left (once it's all said and done) with a TB. If they are negative, then we will possibly be left (again once it's all said and done) with MR, or even worse, a DAD (unlikely though because SP appears to be far superior to this film).

    One thing I've been considering: the Bond studio distribution negotiations take place soon. Some of the major studios competing for this franchise have massive media arms as well (e.g. Disney/Warner etc.). I wonder what impact that could have. Most of us know the US press is not entirely unbiased and neutral given conglomerate ownership.
  • edited October 2015 Posts: 725
    I think a $100m is too high. It will be lucky to make 85 /250. Pro.boxoffice.com went down on their tracking, not up. GG had their linked articles reversed. Also the major print reviewers like the NY Times, Daily News, Time etc are not going to slant there reviews any more than the GB critics did over their media ownership. Murdoch owns everything these days. I don't think it filters down to the big newspapers. additional articles maybe, but not the reviews.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger San Demonique
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    I really don't want to pick on points @bondjames and I respect and enjoy reading your views here (as I do the other regular posters), I just want to understand your point more clearly, is this "narrative" the attitude portrayed by the press to tag SP as a general judgement/ summary after all the box office figures are in months and even years down the line?

    I see little point trying to equate a general press review matching SP to past Bond films of a different era of more limited media exposure etc - it's purely a subjective call and really a bit meaningless. So great, what, SP is DC's TB or TSWLM?

    When it's all done I cannot see SP being painted as anything but a resounding success (it's superb!) and a rightful key piece of ALL the Bond cannon or DC era entries within it in much the way CR and SF have which QOS seemed to dip from in general public perception. I think many cinemagoers are going to love the Bond on a mission and globetrotting aspect and lest angst and be exactly the Bond everyone's grown up with but with a bit more bite and thought - DC carries this off perfectly with a SC ease.

    Time will tell. At the moment everything is is all purely speculative without the hard £/$ figures and all I really care about is everyone important involved with Bond 25 is happy and get the money the next one deserves (we deserve!)
  • EndCredit007EndCredit007 EGYPT
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    the first SP screening booking in IMAX Egypt , after midnight 5th Nov.

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