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  • Posts: 203
    JCRendle wrote: »
    I've just had a thought, we know from the leaks that not everyone was happy about the early scripts - but what strikes me is, early on in the process Mendes counted himself out of directing the follow up to SF, stating that whilst it was an enjoyable experience it made him physically ill, but when he later confirmed he'd signed up again he cited the strength of the script, so it must had some strong ideas even circa July 2013 even if it were the bare backbone of what it is now, however much has changed since then.

    It would be interesting to see what ideas were in the early screenplays that peaked Mendes interest.

    1. M being the big bad
    2. Tanner committing suicide
    3. the DB5 making a comeback

  • edited March 2015 Posts: 1,552
    mnhettia wrote: »
    JCRendle wrote: »
    I've just had a thought, we know from the leaks that not everyone was happy about the early scripts - but what strikes me is, early on in the process Mendes counted himself out of directing the follow up to SF, stating that whilst it was an enjoyable experience it made him physically ill, but when he later confirmed he'd signed up again he cited the strength of the script, so it must had some strong ideas even circa July 2013 even if it were the bare backbone of what it is now, however much has changed since then.

    It would be interesting to see what ideas were in the early screenplays that peaked Mendes interest.

    1. M being the big bad
    2. Tanner committing suicide
    3. the DB5 making a comeback
    I know the first two were excised, but are there things that are still in the script today (other than the DB5) that were in the early scripts? Do we know that those points that you've mentioned were positives for Mendes?
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    I don't think there was any screenplay when Mendes signed up to direct Spectre. What made him excited were the basic ideas: further exploring Bond's past and continuing the story of the new MI6.
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    I'm a bit amazed at the extremely negative posts by a very few posters regarding Bond using the DB5 in what appears to be the last scenes in the film. I may be wrong on when he is using the DB5 but if he is using it in the closing scenes, it's use seems logical to me. One poster noted it would "ruin" the entire film for him. Given the script, it just seems logical that he would use his own personal AM for those last scenes and not the DB10 which is owned by M16 and not him. Yes, the DB5 was blown up in SF, but the dialog will explain that away no doubt.

    Why would he drive off given the context of the ending in a hugely expensive AM that doesn't belong to him? And it would have looked even stranger if he drove off in a Fiat or Ford or whatever. So I just don't understand the angry posts given what is occurring in the script in those last scenes.
  • edited March 2015 Posts: 4,619
    Yes, the return of the DB5 is explained. The car is repaired by the Q branch during the events of the movie. What I personally don't like about the car's return is that it's way too convenient. It's like giving candy to a 5 year old, or a treat to a dog. Of course most Bond fans will like it! I personally think that it's just a cheap gimmick at this point.

    The DB5 had a very important role in Skyfall. In represented the past, just like the old M, or Bond's childhood home did. M died, Skyfall was blown up and the DB5 got destroyed too. It would have made more sense to leave it in the past.

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    mcdonbb wrote: »
    TD was dull ...very dull in uninspired films. And they performed accordingly.

    If you ever read the Ian Fleming novels you'll find that Tim Dalton played Bond in the most realistic manner to the way Fleming wrote the character. Even more so than Daniel Craig who is my favourite Bond.

  • LeChiffre wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    TD was dull ...very dull in uninspired films. And they performed accordingly.

    If you ever read the Ian Fleming novels you'll find that Tim Dalton played Bond in the most realistic manner to the way Fleming wrote the character. Even more so than Daniel Craig who is my favourite Bond.

    Agree and well said. Although I enjoy watching every Bond actor depending on my mood.
  • Ok so this is barely related to this thread but just following onto my last comment- fav movie from each actor:

    SC- FRWL
    Laz- OMSS
    RM- TSWLM
    TD- LTK
    PB- GE
    DC- To be....Spectre ( and there is the link to the thread)
  • mnhettia wrote: »
    1. M being the big bad
    2. Tanner committing suicide
    3. the DB5 making a comeback
    + 4. Bond and Blofeld being "brothers" far more in the earlier scripts than in the more recent ones ?

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    Are you guys listing what you didn't like about the early scripts, or - as I asked - what Mendes found appealing?
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    Again: there was no script when Mendes was announced to direct Spectre.
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    But early reports stated that Logan was working on the script for months before Mendes signed on
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    JCRendle wrote: »
    But early reports stated that Logan was working on the script for months before Mendes signed on

    It seems like all that work didn't amount to much. Logan's first treatment was delivered about 4 months after the announcement of Mendes' return. (The first draft of the screenplay was handed in even later.) By the way, in the latest production video Medes does talk about what peaked his interest early on.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    Why were people saying mr Hinx was blofeld?
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    Why were people saying mr Hinx was blofeld?
    What people?
  • edited March 2015 Posts: 4,622
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    TD was dull ...very dull in uninspired films. And they performed accordingly.

    If you ever read the Ian Fleming novels you'll find that Tim Dalton played Bond in the most realistic manner to the way Fleming wrote the character. Even more so than Daniel Craig who is my favourite Bond.
    But the bolded bit above, requires an IMO qualifier. Many Bond fans, have read the Fleming novels many times over and do not reach that conclusion, myself included, but you are not alone. Others do share your view.
    We all have our opinions on how screen Bond relates to book-Bond. Personally I don't think any of the six actors really captured book-Bond.
    Terrence Young's original vision for a adapting book-Bond to screen, I think was done marvelously, as good as anything we have seen since.
    For me Fleming's Bond is quite cocky and he lives large. He's glib, he's violent. He's also got a moral code. I think Young and Connery did a good extrapolating most of the core elements.
    What we will always miss in the movies is Bond's internal monologue, but I've always maintained, it doesn't mean its not there.
    Afterall if you think about the other book characters, they are not privy to Bond's internal monologue. just us readers are. The others just see the end result of his deliberations, which are often quite bold and violent.
    I don't think we will ever see Book Bond really truly on screen, until someone does faithful adaptations of Fleming's novels, and even then its still a big if.

    ==I think Mendes was drawn to what he considered to be a worthy story, that would continue with some of the themes and storylines he worked with in SF, but as @panchito has pointed out, Mendes actually has explained his motivation. Now mind you it might be sanitized and updated to jive with the current script and production, as opposed to what he might have liked from before.

    I think what Mendes is doing with the DB5 is creating a running gag. He's picked up that mainstream cinema-goers get a kick out of the car.
    Wasn't Broz driving the car in GE and TND too?
    It seems its a bit of nostalgia that is being shoved into the films in the post Cubby era.
    I didn't like its return in SF, because I didn't think it made any sense, and still don't, but now I don't care.
    It's a recurring gimmick. Q Branch salvaged the thing from SF Manor and patched it back together for their pal Bond, so off he goes again into the sunset, with Madeleine in the ejector-seat chair, at the end of SP. Harmless really at this point.


  • StrelikStrelik Spectre Island
    edited March 2015 Posts: 108
    JCRendle wrote: »
    But early reports stated that Logan was working on the script for months before Mendes signed on
    Doubtful. In Spring/Summer 2013, Logan was busy writing an entire season of episodes for his TV show Penny Dreadful. Simultaneously, he was finishing the script for "Genius" about famed literary editor Max Perkins, unaccreditedly polishing the script for Clint Eastwood's "Jersey Boys" film, and also writing a screenplay called "Just Kids" about punk rocker Patti Smith. He was extremely busy that entire year.

    I often wonder if Logan slacked off on his Bond 24 screenwriting duties due to his many, many other projects. In retrospect, he shouldn't have taken the Bond 24 assignment.
  • edited March 2015 Posts: 2,015
    Well, well, the terrorist attacks of SPECTRE in the street, and now the helicopter doing a 360 turn in the PTS scene etc.. it's fortunate SPECTRE is not released these days in France, it would have a weird taste.
  • SkyfallCraigSkyfallCraig Rome, Italy
    edited March 2015 Posts: 630
    What if, in B25, we discover that neither Ober was in charge, but he was Lucia Sciarra's number 2, and it turns out that her surname is Blofeld? And that he was taken by CIA to a castle in, let's say, Japan?
    I really would like it
  • What if, in B25, we discover that neither Ober was in charge, but he was Lucia Sciarra's number 2, and it turns out that her surname is Blofeld? And that he was taken by CIA to a castle in, let's say, Japan?
    I really would like it
    That'd be interesting but if we had a female Blofeld, I don't think I'd want it to be Belucci. On the topic of Bond 25, I think most people have the idea it will start off with Bond vacationing happily with Madeleine somewhere, but I think it would be interesting if we begin with Bond struggling to adapt to a "normal" life and maybe he and Madeleine getting the sense that perhaps he can't really retire from the service, even if he really wants to.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    LeChiffre wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    TD was dull ...very dull in uninspired films. And they performed accordingly.

    If youacting read the Ian Fleming novels you'll find that Tim Dalton played obviously acted. the most realistic manner to the way Fleming wrote the character. Even more so than Daniel Craig who is my favourite Bond.

    I have ..but film is a different medium... Yes you're probably right ...even critics them self have that Fleming's Bond himself is dull ...not the books. I don't agree of course.

    Craig also my favorite has been blessed with way better material than Dalton could ever have dreamed of... and yes I actually like Dalton. His acting is just too stiff too theatrical for me ...never natural ..too obvious acted.

  • SkyfallCraigSkyfallCraig Rome, Italy
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    This is the story I thought for Bond 25:
    At the beginning of Bond 25, we could call it Shatterhand, Bond is "enjoying life" with Madeleine, like he did, for brief time, with Vesper.
    But, while they are on vacation in Rome, Bill Tanner calls him.
    The first thing he says is: "Tanner, I left, and I won't come back"
    But Tanner called for another problem: while Lucia was going to her new place in South America, her and Felix disappeared.
    Last traces bring to Japan. Bond has to return not to help MI6, but to find Felix.
    Madeleine gives him freedom to do it.
    So Bond travel to England, to talk with ES (or whatever he will be called).
    While he is sitting, EB is shot by someone outside the prison: Mr Hinx!
    He is not dead after all.
    Bond chases him, he doesn't succeed in capturing Hinx.
    But he manages to attach a Q branch new gadget, a gps locator, to his jacket. Q gave him it as a "welcome back" present, even if Bond said he didn't come back
    Thanks to that, they track Hinx to Japan. They discovered the bullet used to killed EB has tallium in it. It is extremely painful for the wounded people.
    They track the production and discover that those bullets were produced by a company owned by Marco Sciarra.
    So Bond start to think about his previous mission, and discover that a phone call came from Lucia Sciarra's phone to EB 's phone while he was going to the SPECTRE meeting.
    he connects the dots, and decides to go to Japan, where he tracks Lucia and Hinx in a castle call Shatterhand.
    You know the remaining
  • edited March 2015 Posts: 832
    This is the story I thought for Bond 25:
    At the beginning of Bond 25, we could call it Shatterhand, Bond is "enjoying life" with Madeleine, like he did, for brief time, with Vesper.
    But, while they are on vacation in Rome, Bill Tanner calls him.
    The first thing he says is: "Tanner, I left, and I won't come back"
    But Tanner called for another problem: while Lucia was going to her new place in South America, her and Felix disappeared.
    Last traces bring to Japan. Bond has to return not to help MI6, but to find Felix.
    Madeleine gives him freedom to do it.
    So Bond travel to England, to talk with ES (or whatever he will be called).
    While he is sitting, EB is shot by someone outside the prison: Mr Hinx!
    He is not dead after all.
    Bond chases him, he doesn't succeed in capturing Hinx.
    But he manages to attach a Q branch new gadget, a gps locator, to his jacket. Q gave him it as a "welcome back" present, even if Bond said he didn't come back
    Thanks to that, they track Hinx to Japan. They discovered the bullet used to killed EB has tallium in it. It is extremely painful for the wounded people.
    They track the production and discover that those bullets were produced by a company owned by Marco Sciarra.
    So Bond start to think about his previous mission, and discover that a phone call came from Lucia Sciarra's phone to EB 's phone while he was going to the SPECTRE meeting.
    he connects the dots, and decides to go to Japan, where he tracks Lucia and Hinx in a castle call Shatterhand.
    You know the remaining

    It can't be avoided. The signs are too obvious. Madeline is going to die. Also I don't like the idea of placing this sort of significance on minor characters like the scarria's, or the way that EB is killed.
  • I read the script, but don't remember anything about the DB5. Can someone refresh my memory ?
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    I read the script, but don't remember anything about the DB5. Can someone refresh my memory ?

    The car appears twice in the script: first shortly after the pre-title sequence in Q's lab (the car is under reconstruction), and then at the very end of the film (Bond and Madeleine drive away in the newly repaired DB5).
  • icsics
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    I read the script, but don't remember anything about the DB5. Can someone refresh my memory ?

    in Qs lab in the start and in the end....

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    I read the script, but don't remember anything about the DB5. Can someone refresh my memory ?

    The car appears twice in the script: first shortly after the pre-title sequence in Q's lab (the car is under reconstruction), and then at the very end of the film (Bond and Madeleine drive away in the newly repaired DB5).

    I think they're filming the Bond and Madeleine drive away cause all the shots seem to have someone in the passenger seat as well.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    The car is under reconstruction?! After what happened to it in SF?
  • aaron819aaron819 Switzerland
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    talos7 wrote: »
    The car is under reconstruction?! After what happened to it in SF?

    Yes, it is under recontruction after what happened to it in SF

    Q says:
    I believe I said ‘bring it back in
    one piece’, not ‘bring back one piece’.

    How long after SF does SP take place. Does anyone have any thoughts?

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    talos7 wrote: »
    The car is under reconstruction?! After what happened to it in SF?

    Yes, the car is under reconstruction at the beginning of the film. It seems like the Q branch can fix any damage.

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