Things you never want to see in a Bond film again

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  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    Ok,somebody has to say it...

    Plots that have 'M' as a central character. God I'm tired of them.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited December 2014 Posts: 15,690
    AceHole wrote: »
    Plots that have 'M' as a central character. God I'm tired of them.

    Not looking good for SPECTRE on that front ;) Althought I'm sure there won't be psycho-babble this time round, and while Fiennes will have a big role he'll have no trust issues with Bond and he'll let him do his job.

  • AceHole wrote: »
    Plots that have 'M' as a central character. God I'm tired of them.

    Not looking good for SPECTRE on that front ;) Althought I'm sure there won't be psycho-babble this time round, and while Fiennes will have a big role he'll have no trust issues with Bond and he'll let him do his job.

    Now that will be refreshing.
  • 0101000101010001 Classified
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    Ski-scenes in which Bond does the most unreasonable jumps on blue pistes. You don't have to do weird jumps if you try to escape henchmen. You are not freestyling.

    Also, a random man throwing a motorcycle?
  • SarkSark Guangdong, PRC
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    Not looking good for SPECTRE on that front ;) Althought I'm sure there won't be psycho-babble this time round, and while Fiennes will have a big role he'll have no trust issues with Bond and he'll let him do his job.

    That's probably my problem with Dench's entire tenure. SHe never seemed to trust Craig or Brosnan's Bonds. I can't imagine her backing him up like Bernard Lee did in TB "If my man says he saw him and he was alive that's enough for me to start making inquiries!"
  • Sark wrote: »
    Not looking good for SPECTRE on that front ;) Althought I'm sure there won't be psycho-babble this time round, and while Fiennes will have a big role he'll have no trust issues with Bond and he'll let him do his job.

    That's probably my problem with Dench's entire tenure. SHe never seemed to trust Craig or Brosnan's Bonds. I can't imagine her backing him up like Bernard Lee did in TB "If my man says he saw him and he was alive that's enough for me to start making inquiries!"

    That was really just a Die Another Day through Skyfall thing. She let Bond know where she stood when she met him in GoldenEye, but otherwise she simply let him do his job. Same with Tomorrow Never Dies. She actually defends Bond like your example with Lee in Thunderball in TND's PTS. Roebuck: "What the hell is your man doing?" M: "His job." Same goes with TWINE for the most part. She shows a slight amount of distrust in Bond when she goes into the field to look after Elektra (though this could also be explained by her guilt/maternal instinct overriding her judgment), but any distrust in him she may have harbored doesn't last long at all.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    John Cleese as Q. Awful ungreatful man.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Sark wrote: »

    That's probably my problem with Dench's entire tenure. SHe never seemed to trust Craig or Brosnan's Bonds. I can't imagine her backing him up like Bernard Lee did in TB "If my man says he saw him and he was alive that's enough for me to start making inquiries!"

    M: "Find out where he's going. He's on to something."
    T: "Ma'am, the CIA is insisting..."
    M: "I could give a shit about the CIA... or their trumped-up evidence. He's my agent, and
    I trust him. Go on."

    From Quantum of Solace. I gathered the only time she doesn't seem to trust Bond was when she was face to face with him, challenging him; I think deep down, she had nothing but trust in him. Another example was when she went along with Bond's plan (starting with the "kidnapping") in Skyfall without really knowing what he was up to.

    Brosnan's Bond was a totally different story. She hated that guy :P
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    Sark wrote: »
    Not looking good for SPECTRE on that front ;) Althought I'm sure there won't be psycho-babble this time round, and while Fiennes will have a big role he'll have no trust issues with Bond and he'll let him do his job.

    That's probably my problem with Dench's entire tenure. SHe never seemed to trust Craig or Brosnan's Bonds. I can't imagine her backing him up like Bernard Lee did in TB "If my man says he saw him and he was alive that's enough for me to start making inquiries!"

    I believe the films story takes place 2 years after the evens of Skyfall, so I would expect their relationship is stronger and that Bond has porbably returned from some succesfully excercises. And probably late while enjoying himself too much. I would like Dan to be more petulant in the role a bit more playboy. I would like their relationship to be more like how Connery's was with Bernard Lee where Lee's M would talk to him like a headmaster to a naughty pupil.

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    I never want to see a suave guy playing a tough Bond. Craig has proved that, like Sean and George, it works best the other way around.
    No more softies.
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    Sark wrote: »
    Not looking good for SPECTRE on that front ;) Althought I'm sure there won't be psycho-babble this time round, and while Fiennes will have a big role he'll have no trust issues with Bond and he'll let him do his job.

    That's probably my problem with Dench's entire tenure. SHe never seemed to trust Craig or Brosnan's Bonds. I can't imagine her backing him up like Bernard Lee did in TB "If my man says he saw him and he was alive that's enough for me to start making inquiries!"

    That was really just a Die Another Day through Skyfall thing.

    Just from DAD through SF, ey? Hardly worth mentioning then :D
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    AceHole wrote: »
    Sark wrote: »
    Not looking good for SPECTRE on that front ;) Althought I'm sure there won't be psycho-babble this time round, and while Fiennes will have a big role he'll have no trust issues with Bond and he'll let him do his job.

    That's probably my problem with Dench's entire tenure. SHe never seemed to trust Craig or Brosnan's Bonds. I can't imagine her backing him up like Bernard Lee did in TB "If my man says he saw him and he was alive that's enough for me to start making inquiries!"

    That was really just a Die Another Day through Skyfall thing.

    Just from DAD through SF, ey? Hardly worth mentioning then :D

    He's right there though and I agree Bernard Lee's M would have backed Bond up much more than Judi Dench's M although that is the scriptwriters I suppose.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    I never want to see a suave guy playing a tough Bond. Craig has proved that, like Sean and George, it works best the other way around.
    No more softies.

    I would have said Lazenby comes across as soft.

  • edited December 2014 Posts: 11,189
    Laz was a not too bright kid back in '69 who happened to be good with his fists and have the gift of the gab. Not yet a worldly-wise cynical figure.
  • 0101000101010001 Classified
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    I also would like to never, ever see George Lazenby or a type like him, or anything like On Her Majesty's Secret Service. I can't even with that film.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited December 2014 Posts: 17,780
    I never again want to see elephants winning on slot machines. Vile!
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    I never again want to see elephants winning on slot machines. Vile!

    I'd forgotten that. Unlike the elephant, no doubt.

  • James Bond crying.
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    IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER OF VEXATION

    1-Blofelds who can be parodied by Mike Meyers.
    2-Space shuttles, space capsules, space lasers.
    3-Double-take birds, elephant trumpets, wheeled gondolas, Tarzan yells.
    4-Henchmen who can survive falling out of planes and bar bells bouncing off their chests.
    5-Bad continuity, sped up action, and digital countdowns.
    6-The phrase, "You're a feast for my eyes."
    7-Facial transformations--LALD, DAD, SF.
    8-Diamonds.
    9-Actresses who couldn't get a role in the junior high play.
    10-The latest Aston Martin smashed up, shot up, blown up.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Bond straightening his tie after doing something ridiculous (SF, TWINE)
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Bond straightening his tie after doing something ridiculous (SF, TWINE)

    LOL, that's one the the clichés I actually quite like :D
    But granted, it should only be done once every decade or so. The Brosnan era just overdid it.
  • 0101000101010001 Classified
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    A bond girl like Onatopp
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited December 2014 Posts: 17,780
    James Bond crying.

    Bond cries in the Fleming books though - see the end of Live and Let Die (1954) for an example.
  • SarkSark Guangdong, PRC
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    James Bond crying.

    Bond cries in the Fleming books though - see the end of Live and Let Die (1954) for an example.

    We're not all Fleming purists. Some things don't translate over into film as well. Describing every meal Bond has in nauseating detail for instance. Speaking of which, Bond gets sick and vomits from fear, exhaustion or stress in the novels. He definitely should never do that in the films.
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    Bond does vomit in the films once even though we don't see it. In Casino Royale after he gets poisoned.
  • SarkSark Guangdong, PRC
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    Yes, but I'd say that's different from the cases I mentioned.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Sark wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    James Bond crying.

    Bond cries in the Fleming books though - see the end of Live and Let Die (1954) for an example.

    We're not all Fleming purists. Some things don't translate over into film as well. Describing every meal Bond has in nauseating detail for instance. Speaking of which, Bond gets sick and vomits from fear, exhaustion or stress in the novels. He definitely should never do that in the films.

    To be fair I think that has nothing to do with being a Fleming purist. I was merely pointing out that those films where Bond does cry do have a basis in the original Bond novels.
  • edited December 2014 Posts: 11,189
    I don't mind Bond crying if the occasion warrants it (seeing him break down in SF was surprising but it worked). Somehow I don't think they are going to make a habit of it though.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    I don't mind Bond crying if the occasion warrants it (seeing him break down in SF was surprising but it worked). Somehow I don't think they are going to make a habit of it though.

    Yes, of course, it must be used sparingly in the Bond films if it is going to be used at all.
  • edited December 2014 Posts: 11,189
    Birdleson wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Bond does vomit in the films once even though we don't see it. In Casino Royale after he gets poisoned.

    And in DR. NO after squashing the tarantula.

    True but we don't actually see him in the act. It's more implied. In the novel it states he "went into the bathroom and was violently sick". In the film you just see him go into the bathroom before the camera cuts.

    With Royale they show him from a distance bending over the sink and a retching sound is briefly heard before the cut.
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