SPECTRE Production Timeline

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  • JWESTBROOK wrote: »
    its AUGUST tomorrow. ANY CHANCE WE WILL GET SOME REAL NEWS THIS MONTH ?

    July of 2014
    -Tom Ford is said to have already re-fitted Daniel Craig, and will be returning for Bond 24.
    -Stunt Coordinator Gary Powell confirms he will be returning in an interview, also teasing that B24 will be Sam Mendes 'jumping into the deep end'.
    -Visual Effect Supervisor Steven Begg, who worked on Casino Royale and Skyfall, will be returning for production.
    -First Assistant Director on Quantum Of Solace and Skyfall, Michael Lerman, will also be returning.
    -Stunt Coordinator Gary Powell's Instagram account features photos of him and key members of the production crew visiting Rome, Morocco, and Austria, possibly for location scouting.
    -More reports claim that there will be an Aston Martin chase through the streets of Rome, Italy.

    But I guess cast, crew, location, and stunt details aren't news.

    Of course the announcments of stunt coordinators, first assistant directors and visual effects artists are news. I was thinking more along the lines of confirmed
    news with regards to casting and locations etc. The Rome chase is only a rumour at this point and has not been confirmed. Knowing the cinematographer and the film editor would also be some real news at this point aswell.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded Dancing at midnight under the BeBop Moon
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    We also just need to be happy that Baz apparently does have a great source for info.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    Purvis and Wade had to put their all in to resue this then did they? If so, and the result speaks for itself in a little over a year's time, I wonder what people will make of them then. It's a 'substantially different' script, now we're told.

    I bet Mendes had making up to do, as we all know this is the exact reverse of what happened on the last film. Add the fact that everyone else valued Purvis and Wade's work and I would have loved to know how that went down.

    So, 'everyone's excited and all systems are pumping away at full speed' just like mine. Roll on December. Only four months to go!
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    I was thinking about this earlier after reading Baz' scoop.

    Why exactly are Purvis and Wade given such a bad wrap exactly? We've never had a Bond movie where their sole work was used and not tampered with. With Twine, other writers were brought in and it was Apted's wife that made a hash of things. With DAD, everything wrong with that movie was due to Tamahori's "contributions". CR was great as lots of Fleming was used and Haggis was involved, QoS was affected by the writer's strike, SF had Logan involved but to what extent? And now, P&W were essentially begged back to save the day????

    We all know the duo know their Fleming and surely as flakey as the producers can be with some if their decisions, to keep these 2 on board as writers for as long as they've been with the series must mean they hold a degree of value that many of us here have missed. Personally, I think these guys have been unfairly maligned and don't fully deserve a lot of the heat they've recieved but I guess time will tell once this film comes out.
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    This is my favourite bit from the article: "I’ve heard from several sources that Mendes almost went down on his knees to persuade Purvis and Wade to return to the Bond fold. The director had a lot of making up to do, I was told."

    This confirms that Mendes too wanted Purvis and Wade back and it was not just the producers' decision to have a script rewrite.
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    I have no idea why P&W have got such a bad wrap over the years. They are not the best writers but they can hardly be blamed for the the more banal recent entries.

    - I for one really love TWINE and think their contribution on the script was great. Their draft of the script is online and it reads very well.
    - DAD was not their fault. They were working with an unruly director who really didn't know what he was doing. Film is director's medium and I know for fact both P&W regret how DAD came together as Tamahori really bulldozed down a lot of their ideas.
    - CR was pretty much all P&W except for the more meaty character segments. For me the plot and structure of CR is rather good not brilliant but good. I actually think that Haggis was the one who gave that film the magic it has.
    -QOS was affected by the writer's strike and ironically after saving CR I think Haggis pressed the self-destruct button here. There is a little too much Haggis in the script.
    - From what I've heard P&W came up with the story and structure of SF but all the dialogue is Logan's. If that is the case than the actual plotting of SF is first rate and the story they came up with is rather marvellous.

    I'm glad they're back. They know the Bond brand well and getting them to bring out the 'Bond' in a Bond script always felt like an inevitable thing. I think it's likely that they will use the next 4 months to keep working on the script and it's even more likely Logan will return as well.
  • So Mendes ditched Purvis and Wade (which is why he had making up to do) but he didn't like Logan's draft much at all so he asked them back. Is that what happened?

    I think they're a bit hit and miss but I like Purvis and Wade and they are good writers. TWINE and CR are both brilliant and I also thought Let Him Have It (a non Bond film they wrote) was really good.
  • edited August 2014 Posts: 2,103
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Finland is not considered part of Scandinavia.

    Hah! Where did you get that information from? I'm from Finland and we're very much a part of Scandinavia ;)

    Regarding Spielberg ; I watched the Temple of Doom today, and for some reason my thoughts drifted to this particular thread showing Dan going to Spielberg's birthday party. Spielberg is too expensive director these days...but... since Daniel and Steven seem to be buddies nowadays, and Craig has previously recruited director and actor from party / event, would it be stretch to imagine he could recruit director of Spielberg's caliber from , say a birthday party and have that director work with a cut salary. Say, if for everyone's surprise Dan would get Spielberg to direct his last Bond movie. Wouldn't that be something.

    Very unlikely though. But that just crossed my mind today.


  • Slightly off subject, but I've been wondering - will Daniel Craig ever get his own Fiona Volpe type character?
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    Its not impossible, I believe. But a good idea? C&A could have been pretty much Indie in the western world and even though Steven didn't direct, he didn't see all the flaws in the script neither - as none of the others, I might add.
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    Well, it would be a dream come true for me. Spielberg finally directing Bond movie and Dan going out with a bang.
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    SharkBait wrote: »
    Hah! Where did you get that information from? I'm from Finland and we're very much a part of Scandinavia ;)

    Sorry, but no. Finland is a Nordic country but not Scandinavian.
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    Well, southwestern part of Finland is a part of Scandinavia, and we have historical association with the Scandinavian countries. But I'm not here to talk about geography or history. Not too fussed about things like that. I'm here for Bond related things ;)
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    I'm ok with Purvis and Wade doing substantial changes to Logan's script. While I love the characters and dialogues of Logan, his plots are often rather thin.
  • Logan makes everything really dull and somber, I'm glad Purvis and Wade are rewriting it.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
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    If P&W wade are indeed writing the movie alone like as with DAD, iam curious or things i dislike because it hate it and not things i dislike because for love of franchise no longer be in the movie.

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    Comingsoon
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    Logan's track record is shocking, as is Purvis and Wade's.

    Has anyone checked to see if Sony has registered risico.com or variations of it? With Rome as a location I smell something brewing... terrible title though, bottom of the barrel Fleming.

    My latest theory is that Tanner will turn out to be a Quantum mole. It was he who engineered M's death. Mallory is a red herring to the viewer - in fact he saved M's life. Why cast a decorated star like Rory Kinnear in such a small roll if not to reveal him as a menace later. This is the game Mendes is playing.

    Logan Purvis and Wade are just the pawns on the chess board
  • Bond should go rogue in either this one or bond 25, that would be perfect.
  • edited August 2014 Posts: 2,777
    SharkBait wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Finland is not considered part of Scandinavia.

    Hah! Where did you get that information from? I'm from Finland and we're very much a part of Scandinavia ;)

    Actually, you aren't. But "Half the Finnish people claim that Scandinavia is in Scandinavia while the rest claim it's not!" somehow.
    https://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/forums/europe-scandinavia-the-nordics/topics/is-finland-in-scandinavia-or-not

    Here's an explanation:

    "Scandinavia[a] is a historical and cultural-linguistic region in Northern Europe characterized by a common ethno-cultural Germanic heritage and related languages, which includes the three kingdoms of Norway, Denmark and Sweden"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia

    Let it go, mate.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger San Demonique
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    You are all in Scandinavia.
  • edited August 2014 Posts: 5,733
    SharkBait wrote: »
    Well, it would be a dream come true for me. Spielberg finally directing Bond movie and Dan going out with a bang.
    As much as I would hope for a Spielberg Bond movie, as much do I fear him featuring annoying kids for too much of the time. Especially after ideas of Bond having a child were kicked around in this last decade.

  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    Sorry, I don't like to bandy around the troll label, but I have strong feelings that there are two on this page.
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    StoneShi wrote: »
    Logan's track record is shocking, as is Purvis and Wade's.

    Has anyone checked to see if Sony has registered risico.com or variations of it? With Rome as a location I smell something brewing... terrible title though, bottom of the barrel Fleming.

    My latest theory is that Tanner will turn out to be a Quantum mole. It was he who engineered M's death. Mallory is a red herring to the viewer - in fact he saved M's life. Why cast a decorated star like Rory Kinnear in such a small roll if not to reveal him as a menace later. This is the game Mendes is playing.

    Logan Purvis and Wade are just the pawns on the chess board

    Kinnear's career has become decorated during his time with the Bond franchise. When he was cast he was working and great, but I wouldn't say decorated. And he's perfect in the role. He's one of the few characters I feel you could give more screentime without sacrificing their character and making them into some sort of mole or villain.
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    StoneShi wrote: »
    Logan's track record is shocking, as is Purvis and Wade's.

    Has anyone checked to see if Sony has registered risico.com or variations of it? With Rome as a location I smell something brewing... terrible title though, bottom of the barrel Fleming.

    My latest theory is that Tanner will turn out to be a Quantum mole. It was he who engineered M's death. Mallory is a red herring to the viewer - in fact he saved M's life. Why cast a decorated star like Rory Kinnear in such a small roll if not to reveal him as a menace later. This is the game Mendes is playing.

    Logan Purvis and Wade are just the pawns on the chess board


    Risico.com is still unregistered but hey I hope things change a Fleming title would be kind of cool
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger San Demonique
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    hildebrandrarity.com was registered in 2010, but now it is for sale for 1595 dollars. Means nothing.
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    hildebrandrarity.com was registered in 2010, but now it is for sale for 1595 dollars. Means nothing.

    I guess it means Hildebrandrarity.com will not be the title of Bond 24.

    And I actually like the title.
  • edited August 2014 Posts: 1,985
    JWESTBROOK wrote: »
    I will also be unmercifully flag-happy when things get busy after filming starts.

    Well, you do as you wish, it's your topic :) But if go into no-spoiler-at-all territory, don't you think the use of this topic in the future as a way to remember what was known at such time, and what was not known, will be a bit hindered ? I think it was one of your goals at the beginning.

    Now imagine in three years : in this topic, we would remember when some instagram leak allowed us to think there might be some Aston Martin action in Roma, but we would not be able to remember when it was leaked that -insert future spoiler here, that will be discovered because of photos taken in Roma-.
    SharkBait wrote: »
    Well, southwestern part of Finland is a part of Scandinavia, and we have historical association with the Scandinavian countries. But I'm not here to talk about geography or history. Not too fussed about things like that. I'm here for Bond related things ;)

    Scandinavia is one of these topics where the map changes according to which Wikipedia language you refer to (for instance, Finland is part of Scandinavia in the French wikipedia, it's written on the top of the page). Even those who read the English wikipedia should read the final lines of the "Finland" chapter, which explains why some English concepts like "Fennoscandia" are not used at all in the countries it is supposed to be about.

    But well, this is the Internet, what is on the English Wikipedia is more important than what someone actually living there knows ! :) But Geography is not "hard science", there are much, much politics in it. People can die because they name some part of the world in the "wrong" way. Fortunately, Finland in or not in Scandinavia is not such a case (and moreover, here, it's mostly about having a tall blond Bond girl :) ). But for other cases, switch on your TV alas...

  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded Dancing at midnight under the BeBop Moon
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    JWESTBROOK wrote: »
    Let's talk about spoilers for a moment, please.

    How would we all like to handle them? I will be keeping them out of the title of the thread, to prevent it from spoiling anything for people reading the thread titles on the main pages.


    What I will be leaving out from this thread altogether:
    -Images that are not promotional and/or contain spoilers
    -Videos that are not promotional and/or contain spoilers
    -Descriptions that are not promotional
    -Character deaths
    -Plot spoilers / twists


    What I will classify as Potential Spoilers from here on:
    -Locations
    -Vehicles
    -Promotional photos
    -Promotional trailers
    -Photos of cast members on location / on set
    -Stunt sequence details / scene details


    With Skyfall, we had detailed images and leaks about M. dying, Bond going back to his childhood home, what it looked like, that it was the location of the finale, that it blew up, etc. Nothing like that will be featured on the timeline in this thread.

    Seeing as this is the Production thread, it will focus on production details, as previously stated, things like locations, casting, non-spoiling set photos, promotional images, videos, and plot details, etc.

    If any of you have any requests or any concerns, let me know.

    ANY POSTS THAT INCLUDE SPOILERS OR LINKS TO SPOILERS WILL BE FLAGGED IF NOT PROPERLY USING THE SPOILER FEATURE. THEY MAY BE POSTED, BUT WILL NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE TIMELINE AND SHOULD NOT INTERFERE WITH NORMAL DISCUSSION.

    I'm trying to get clear as to what we can post here. I thought I had it; now I am not 100% clear. Please bear with me, @JWESTBROOK: As Suivez_ce_parachute mentioned, the info on Rome: That is not promotional or official yet. May we talk about this (found on Instagram or anywhere else) with spoiler tags? May we paste photos of Rome found on Instagram or elsewhere, that are not official/promotional? I think you are saying no. If no, then at least I am clear on that. We have discussed rumors in the past here. But ... maybe you are saying use the spoiler tags and we can post that kind of thing, but it will not count on the timeline.

    May we quote articles in papers and magazines? It seems like we may, given the posting of the article by Baz - that is not coming to us straight from EON; it is not official news (the script finished and given to Barbara and Michael, and the shooting to begin in late Nov./earlyDec.).

    So, please tell me again, JWESTBROOK, because I can interpret your post two ways (maybe just me; please be patient and go over this again). I can read it as:

    a) that you are saying we cannot post any rumors or speculation here any more. That is fine if that is your intent; I just want to be clear. If I find something on Instagram or elsewhere, then I would need to post it on a different thread and (always!) use spoiler tags. OR

    b) as I highlighted from your quote above - we may post our potential spoilers using spoiler tags every time; these things would just not be listed on the timeline. Could be articles or photos.

    I really do not want photos posted willy nilly on this forum (especially without spoiler tags) and in particular not on this thread. Many of us remember the "foraging photographer" who posted lots of info and photos about Skyfall, some of which were pretty big spoilers (she was almost arrested back then, apparently). I don't want that either. (You can still find her blog easily online anybody would like to revisit that time, although she had to take down some photos.)

    I'm all for having a production thread, which is a great timeline, and I want this to continue. I just want to make sure I understand you correctly. Thanks.
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    JWESTBROOK wrote: »
    I will also be unmercifully flag-happy when things get busy after filming starts.

    Well, you do as you wish, it's your topic :) But if go into no-spoiler-at-all territory, don't you think the use of this topic in the future as a way to remember what was known at such time, and what was not known, will be a bit hindered ? I think it was one of your goals at the beginning.

    Finally! We are discussing this. I was a bit worried at the quiet response I got when I originally tried to lay the ground work last week. I'm glad we're asking.

    This isn't 100% my decision, so having your input is extremely helpful. It's not necessarily 'no-spoiler-at-all', but rather sticking to the more generic news and try to avoid the major spoilers.

    Generic news examples from Skyfall would be: Finale will be in Scotland, Eve may be Moneypenny, MI6 blows up. These all are either rumors, locations, or were eventually in the trailer from the movie. Just tidbits to make us want to go and watch it.

    Spoiler news examples from Skyfall would be: The images of Bond's parents' graves in Scotland, the article from Baz that M. definitely dies, etc.

    I feel like there is a rather obvious difference in severity between my examples.

    The way I want us to approach is sort of.. what do you expect to see in the trailers? They wont show M. dying, Bond's parents' graves, etc in anything promotional, because that's the big hook of the story, or rather the 'surprise'.

    Things like locations, cast, set pieces, stunts etc. are all eventually going to pop up in official images and trailers, so I feel we can be a little more lenient with those sorts of topics.

    Is it clearer now? If you wouldn't see it in a trailer for the movie, it's too heavy a spoiler for this thread.

    I think we can still achieve my initial desired result detailing the when and who and how everything happened during production without ruining the story of the film.




    That's really all I'm trying to avoid.




    @4EverBonded , The Rome rumors, images, and social media posts are completely fine in my book. I'd file that under 'locations'. If you think your going to avoid hearing rumors about locations on this forum, think again. I think that's one of the best aspects of a new Bond film; where are we going? Locations: fine.

    On the other hand, if the 'location photo' happens to be a photo of Bond's parents' graves in the backyard of a mansion in Scotland, then no. Please don't post here without spoiler tags, and really I'd prefer it if it wasn't posted at all. That sort of detail from the film is OBVIOUSLY important to the plot, and this thread isn't really focused too much on the plot, but rather the technical and physical detail of the new film. The only thing from the plot I want are basic rumors and a basic outline. Examples from Skyfall would be that Bond is upset with M. (fine in my book), Mallory is an outsider (okay in my book), the finale is in Scotland (borderline based on the assumptions we all made which turned out to be true, but it didn't really confirm anything, just led to speculation, so it's fine.)

    Again, if it is not a major plot point, and you don't think the production team would promote it, or rather they want to keep it secret, it's a spoiler. Major plot details = spoiler. Rome images = location details = okay to post.

    Let's be fair and agree we all would be able to distinguish a major plot twist or detail from something simple and obvious like 'Chiwetel Ejiofor's character is the bad guy' (just an example). I feel like it is always obvious who the baddie will be. That's a rather minor detail in my book.

    Speculation is a fudgy area. It can be fun, but most of Baz's stuff I wouldn't declare as speculation, but rather rumors. Rumors are fine. If it's fan speculation, like "Mallory is definitely maybe Blofeld this time forreals, ya'll", this isn't the thread. If it's "Many members of the production team have recently taken up skiing lessons and Austria is rumored as a location, so perhaps we'll see some ski scenes!", then its based on evidence and actual rumors, and should be fun to discuss.

    I'd love to go into more detail, and like I said.. we're sort of just winging it. If there is something you feel is spoiler-y, I apologize in advance that you saw it, and go ahead and flag the crap out of it. The best approach is to

    "When in doubt, go the spoiler tag route."
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded Dancing at midnight under the BeBop Moon
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    Yes, that helps a lot! Thanks. :)
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