Live And Let Die vs Tomorrow Never Dies - By the Elements

Soundofthesinners · April 2014

Any requests for next time? This is a great series, but nothing's jumping out right now.

Perilagu_Khan · April 2014

TB versus LALD could be somewhat interesting.

FoxRox · April 2014

LALD wins for me as a film alone. Doing the elements would be fun.

pachazo · April 2014

Soundofthesinners wrote:

Any requests for next time? This is a great series, but nothing's jumping out right now.

I like @Perilagu_Khan's suggestion.
I was also thinking about...
YOLT vs. OP
DAF vs. TMWTGG
TLD vs. GE
TWINE vs. QoS

I'm not entirely sure if those have been done before, sorry. Those are all films that are close in my rankings so I don't know if anyone else would like to see them or not. Just my two cents.

Soundofthesinners · May 2014

I'll start taking your requests next time around (promise) but inspiration struck last night. Before we do the next contest, the winner of this one, by a margin of 262-246-2 is For Your Eyes Only! Great back and forth battle. Anyway, our next contest will be The Man With the Golden Gun vs. The World is Not Enough. I'll start, as usual...

PTS: TWINE (overrated, but still better)
Title Track: TWINE
Title Credits: TWINE
Main Villain: TMWTGG
Main Bond Girl: TWINE
Overall Plot: TMWTGG (still can’t beat Bond vs. world’s greatest assassin)
Dialogue: TMWTGG (tough to beat Bond and Scaramanga’s dinner conversation)
Score: TMWTGG (Barry beats non-Barry)
Settings: TWINE
Action: TWINE
Humor: Tie (Christmas coming vs. JW Pepper and Nick Nack? Pass.)
Cinematography: TMWTGG (TWINE is one of the uglier Bond movies)
Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG (gotta give it this one too)
Suspense: TMWTGG
Minor Characters: TWINE (not a Nick Nack fan)
Glamor: TWINE
Ally: TWINE (damn you, JW Pepper)

TWINE 9-7-1. Surprisingly strong showing from my least favorite Bond movie (TMWTGG, that is).

barryt007 · May 2014

TWINE vs TMWTGG

PTS: TWINE
Title Track: TWINE
Title Credits: TWINE
Main Villain: TMWTGG
Main Bond Girl: TMWTGG
Overall Plot: TWINE
Dialogue: TWINE
Score: TWINE
Settings: TMWTGG
Action: TMWTGG
Humor: TMWTGG
Cinematography: TMWTGG
Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG (2 nipples and a midget.)
Suspense: TWINE
Minor Characters: TWINE
Glamor: TWINE
Ally: TMWTGG

TWINE : 9 TMWTGG : 8 (Wow that was damn close,just like in my rankings : TWINE #10 and TMWTGG #12)

FoxRox · May 2014

PTS: TWINE (TMWTGG's is neat and original, but TWINE's is simply superior)
Title Track: TWINE (not a big fan of either, but dislike TMWTGG's more)
Title Credits: TWINE
Main Villain: TMWTGG (Elektra/Renard are solid, but Scaramanga is one of the series' best)
Main Bond Girl: TMWTGG (again, not crazy about either; edge to Mary)
Overall Plot: TWINE
Dialogue: TWINE
Score: TMWTGG (John Barry; can't remember TWINE's very well)
Settings: TMWTGG
Action: TWINE
Humor: TMWTGG
Cinematography: TMWTGG
Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
Suspense: TWINE
Minor Characters: TWINE
Glamor: TWINE
Ally: TWINE (Valentin > J.W. Pepper)

TWINE: 10
TMWTGG: 7

Both two of the most underrated Bond films. I enjoy them both, but there was no doubt TWINE was better for me - IMO, Brosnan's second-best after GE.

YouHaveAnOddJob · May 2014

PTS: TWINE
Title Track: TWINE
Title Credits: TWINE
Main Villain: TMWTGG
Main Bond Girl: TWINE
Overall Plot: TWINE
Dialogue: TWINE
Score: TMWTGG
Settings: TWINE
Action: TWINE
Humor: TMWTGG
Cinematography: TWINE
Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
Suspense: TMWTGG
Minor Characters: TWINE
Glamor: TWINE
Ally: TWINE

12-5 This was interesting for me because I quite like both films a lot.

Murdock · May 2014

PTS: TWINE
Title Track: TWINE
Title Credits: TWINE
Main Villain: TMWTGG
Main Bond Girl: TWINE
Overall Plot: TWINE
Dialogue: TWINE
Score: TWINE
Settings: TWINE
Action: TWINE
Humor: TWINE
Cinematography: TWINE
Benign Bizarre: TWINE
Suspense: TWINE
Minor Characters: TWINE
Glamor: TWINE
Ally: TWINE

TWINE 16
TMWTGG 1

Perilagu_Khan · May 2014

PTS: Gun (coolest PTS in the series)
Title Track: TWINE (best lyrics in series history)
Title Credits: Gun (ho-hum, but at least they're not ugly like TWINE's)
Main Villain: Gun (if Renard were the main villain, this would be fairly close)
Main Bond Girl: Gun (Richards may be the worst)
Overall Plot: Gun (only because TWINE's plot is hopelessly convoluted)
Dialogue: Gun
Score: Gun (an underrated score)
Settings: Gun (Far East locales are quite good)
Action: Gun (TWINE's action is some of the most generic in the series)
Humor: Gun (with Purvis and Wade penning TWINE's bon mots, there's really no question)
Cinematography: Gun (not close)
Benign Bizarre: Gun (but I do offer praise for Devil's Breath)
Suspense: TWINE (a tossup, really, but I'm rather fond of the submarine climax in TWINE)
Minor Characters: Gun (save Dr. Arkhov, I'm hard pressed to recall a noteworthy minor character in TWINE)
Glamor: TWINE (a weakness in Gun)
Ally: Gun (Pepper is lesser than in LALD, but still a slight edge over Zhukovskii)

Gun 14 TWINE 3

Sounds about right.

MayDayDiVicenzo · May 2014

Both films are low in my rankings, and are close together (TWINE, #19, Gun, #20), so this will be interesting:

PTS: Tie (the PTS of both films are perhaps better parts of the films, and Gun's is fairly underrated).
Title Track: TMWTGG (always liked Lulu's song)
Title Credits: TWINE (Gun's is rather bland)
Main Villain: TMWTGG (no contest)
Main Bond Girl: TMWTGG (Just. Both terrible)
Overall Plot: TWINE (TMWTGG is too convulated and loses focus)
Dialogue: TMWTGG
Score: TMWTGG
Settings: Tie (both have some interesting locations)
Action: TMWTGG (astro-spiral just tips it)
Humor: TWINE (Went too far in Gun)
Cinematography: TMWTGG (both quite dull, but shots of Scaramanga's Island are beautiful)
Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
Suspense: TWINE
Minor Characters: TMWTGG
Glamor: TWINE
Ally: TWINE

TMWTGG- 9
TWINE- 6
Tie- 2

Interesting. I do slightly prefer TWINE.

WillyGalore · May 2014

Oh it's like Sophie's Choice. Except in this case I hate BOTH children. ;-)

PTS: TMWTGG (I think TWINE's is massively overrated and overlong but Gun's isn't much better either)
Title Track: TWINE
Title Credits: TWINE
Main Villain: TMWTGG
Main Bond Girl: TMWTGG (I'm assuming TWINE's is Dr Jones. Both horrific either way)
Overall Plot: TWINE
Dialogue: TMWTGG
Score: TWINE
Settings: TMWTGG
Action: TWINE
Humor: TMWTGG
Cinematography: TWINE
Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
Suspense: TWINE
Minor Characters: TWINE (Only because it's the last time we see Desmond)
Glamor: TWINE
Ally: TWINE

TWINE wins 10-6. Both films are still pretty pants though.

Samuel001 · May 2014

PTS: The Man With The Golden Gun
Title Track: The World Is Not Enough
Title Credits: The World Is Not Enough
Main Villain: The Man With The Golden Gun
Main Bond Girl: The Man With The Golden Gun
Overall Plot: The World Is Not Enough
Dialogue: The Man With The Golden Gun
Score: The Man With The Golden Gun
Settings: The Man With The Golden Gun
Action: The Man With The Golden Gun
Humor: The Man With The Golden Gun
Cinematography: The Man With The Golden Gun
Benign Bizarre: The Man With The Golden Gun
Suspense: The World Is Not Enough
Minor Characters: The World Is Not Enough
Glamor: The World Is Not Enough
Ally: The World Is Not Enough

SaintMark · May 2014

PTS: TWINE
Title Track: TMWTGG
Title Credits: TWINE
Main Villain: TMWTGG (Christopher Lee being family of Fleming and for being Christopher Lee)
Main Bond Girl: TMWTGG
Overall Plot: TWINE
Dialogue: TMWTGG
Score: TMWTGG
Settings: TMWTGG
Action: TWINE
Humor: TMWTGG
Cinematography: TWINE
Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
Suspense: TWINE
Minor Characters: TWINE
Glamor: TMWTGG
Ally: TWINE

TWINE - TMWTGG 8-9

Baltimore_007 · May 2014

PTS - TWINE (best of the entire series)
TT - TMWTGG
TC - TWINE
MV - TMWTGG
MBG - not much to choose between in terms of lackluster, but TWINE
OP - TWINE
DIALOG - TWINE
SCORE - TMWTGG
SETTINGS - TMWTGG
ACTION - TMWTGG
HUMOR - TMWTGG
CINEMA - TMWTGG
BB - TMWTGG
SUSPENSE - TMWTGG
MC - TMWTGG
GLAMOR - TMWTGG
ALLY - TWINE

TMWTGG wins it 11 - 6

FoxRox · May 2014

I surprised at all the support TMWTGG is getting; I've seen it in at least the bottom 5 of almost everyone's rankings that I've looked at. It definitely has its flaws, but I like it as well. TWINE still has a definite edge for me, but they're probably going to end up being fairly close in my rankings when I'm through with my marathon.

JohnBarryFan · May 2014

PTS: TWINE
Title Track: TWINE
Title Credits: TWINE
Main Villain: TWINE
Main Bond Girl: TWINE (isn't M the main Bond Girl?)
Overall Plot: TMWTGG
Dialogue: TMWTGG
Score: TWINE
Settings: TWINE
Action: TWINE
Humor: TMWTGG
Cinematography: TWINE
Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
Suspense: TWINE
Minor Characters: TWINE
Glamor: TWINE
Ally: TWINE (again, isn't M the main ally?)

Crazysoul95 · May 2014

PTS: TMWTGG
Title Track: TMWTGG
Title Credits: TWINE
Main Villain: TMWTGG
Main Bond Girl: TMWTGG
Overall Plot: TMWTGG
Dialogue: TMWTGG
Score: TWINE
Settings: TMWTGG
Action: TWINE
Humor: TMWTGG
Cinematography: TWINE
Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
Suspense: TMWTGG
Minor Characters: TWINE
Glamor: TWINE
Ally: TWINE

TMWTGG = 10
TWINE = 7

QBranch · May 2014

PTS: TWINE
Title Track: TMWTGG
Title Credits: TWINE
Main Villain: TMWTGG
Main Bond Girl: TWINE
Overall Plot: TMWTGG
Dialogue: TMWTGG
Score: TWINE
Settings: TWINE
Action: TWINE
Humor: TMWTGG
Cinematography: TWINE
Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG (third nipples; firearm fellatio.. it's all a bit kinky)
Suspense: TMWTGG
Minor Characters: TWINE
Glamor: TWINE
Ally: TWINE

TWINE: 10
TMWTGG: 7

Birdleson wrote:

I suggest we all do our own totals and not lay it all on our host, Soundofthesinners.

Yes, a bit of consideration wouldn't hurt anyone.

00Beast · May 2014

PTS: TWINE
Title Track: TWINE
Title Credits: TWINE
Main Villain: TMWTGG
Main Bond Girl: TMWTGG
Overall Plot: TWINE
Dialogue: TMWTGG
Score: TMWTGG
Settings: TMWTGG
Action: TWINE
Humor: TMWTGG
Cinematography: TMWTGG
Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
Suspense: TMWTGG
Minor Characters: TMWTGG
Glamor: TMWTGG
Ally: TWINE

The Man with the Golden Gun: 11
The World is not Enough: 6

Kerim · May 2014

PTS: TWINE, Too long, but better than the carny show
Title Track: TMWTGG, Garbage didn't belong on a Bond title track
Title Credits: TMWTGG, better quality nekked girls
Main Villain: TMWTGG, Sophia Marceau wouldn't qualify to enter Christopher Lee's acting school
Main Bond Girl: Neither, I refuse to acknowledge one is better than the other if it doesn't involve Jinx
Overall Plot: TWINE, I could have gone either way, but I decided to give TWINE a chance to catch up
Dialogue: TMWTGG, Phu-yuck was actually pretty creative in 1974.
Score: TMWTGG, John Barry's worst is still better than David Arnold's average.
Settings: TMWTGG, Thailand and Hong Kong over former Soviet republics any day.
Action: TWINE due to lack of a slide whistle.
Humor: TMWTGG for "Speak now or forever hold your piece"
Cinematography: TWINE, TMWTGG's cinematography stayed in the mid-70's
Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG, this is a no contest
Suspense: TWINE, when I first saw TWINE, I really was wondering how Pierce was going to get out of the torture chair.
Minor Characters: TWINE, but not by much
Glamor: TWINE, TWINE had the Baku casino. TMWTGG had the Hong Kong strip club and the sumo wrestler's butt cheeks.
Ally: TWINE, at least Zukovsky didn't drive off on Bond.

It's an 8-8-1 tie. Realistically, I prefer TMWTGG.

pachazo · May 2014

PTS: TWINE - (It's too long but outshines TMWTGG by a considerable margin.)
Title Track: TWINE
Title Credits: TWINE
Main Villain: TMWTGG - (Gun's one true asset.)
Main Bond Girl: TWINE - (My God, did I just choose Denise Richards?)
Overall Plot: TMWTGG - (Both are lame but at least Gun's isn't pretentious.)
Dialogue: TMWTGG - (Dialogue was not a strong suit of the Brosnan era.)
Score: TMWTGG - (Barry sneezed this out on his worst day and it's still better.)
Settings: TMWTGG - (Close, but I love Scaramanga's Island.)
Action: TWINE
Humor: TMWTGG - (Neither are great but Moore had a few good zingers.)
Cinematography: TMWTGG -(TWINE is so drab.)
Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
Suspense: TWINE - (Just barely.)
Minor Characters: TWINE - (Ever so slightly.)
Glamor: TWINE
Ally: TWINE

TWINE 9 just edges out TMWTGG 8

SharkBait · May 2014

PTS: TWINE
Title Track: TWINE
Title Credits: TMWTGG
Main Villain: TMWTGG
Main Bond Girl: TWINE
Overall Plot: TWINE
Dialogue: TWINE
Score: TMWTGG
Settings: TMWTGG
Action: TMWTGG
Humor: TMWTGG
Cinematography: TMWTGG
Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
Suspense: TWINE
Minor Characters: TWINE
Glamor: TWINE
Ally: TMWTGG

jobo · May 2014

PTS: TWINE
Title Track: TMWTGG
Title Credits: TWINE
Main Villain: TMWTGG
Main Bond Girl: TMWTGG
Overall Plot: TWINE
Dialogue: Tie
Score: TMWTGG
Settings: TMWTGG
Action: TWINE
Humor: TMWTGG
Cinematography: TMWTGG
Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
Suspense: TWINE
Minor Characters: TWINE
Glamor: TWINE
Ally: TWINE

Tie: 8-8-1

Thunderfinger · May 2014

PTS: TWINE
Title Track: TWINE
Title Credits: TMWTGG
Main Villain: TMWTGG
Main Bond Girl: TMWTGG
Overall Plot: TMWTGG
Dialogue: TMWTGG
Score: TMWTGG
Settings: TMWTGG
Action: TMWTGG
Humor: TMWTGG
Cinematography: TMWTGG
Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
Suspense: TMWTGG
Minor Characters: TMWTGG
Glamor: TMWTGG
Ally: Tie

TMWTGG 14-2-1

BAIN123 · May 2014

This will be interesting. Two of the weaker films:

PTS: TWINE
Title Track: TWINE
Title Credits: TWINE
Main Villain: TMWTGG
Main Bond Girl: TWINE (yep!!)
Overall Plot: TMWTGG
Dialogue: TMWTGG
Score: TMWTGG
Settings: TMWTGG
Action: TWINE (the boat chase is still more compelling than the dull car chase in GG)
Humor: TWINE (I really loathe some of the comedy in GG. TWINE isn't particularly funny, but a couple of scenes do raise a smile from me)
Cinematography: TMWTGG
Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
Suspense: TWINE
Minor Characters: TMWTGG
Glamor: TMWTGG
Ally: TWINE (No brainer if given a choice between a bloke who drives off leaving Bond and one who saves him before dying)

8-9

MWTGG wins...just, but I still prefer TWINE a little.

Chang · May 2014

PTS: TMWTGG (I don't buy the Maria Conchito Alonso lookalike in TWINE as a criminal)
Title Track: TMWTGG
Title Credits: TMWTGG
Main Villain: TMWTGG
Main Bond Girl: TMWTGG
Overall Plot: TMWTGG
Dialogue: TMWTGG
Score: TMWTGG
Settings: TMWTGG
Action: TMWTGG
Humor: TMWTGG
Cinematography: TMWTGG
Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
Suspense: TMWTGG
Minor Characters: TMWTGG
Glamor: TMWTGG
Ally: TMWTGG

Everything TMWTGG by a large margin. TWINE is a bore.

MajorDSmythe · May 2014

PTS :: The World Is Not Enough
Title Track :: The World Is Not Enough
Title Credits :: The World Is Not Enough
Main Villain :: The Man With The Golden Gun
Main Bond Girl: :: The World Is Not Enough
Overall Plot :: The World Is Not Enough
Dialogue :: The World Is Not Enough
Score :: The World Is Not Enough
Settings :: The World Is Not Enough
Action :: The World Is Not Enough
Humor :: The World Is Not Enough
Cinematography :: The World Is Not Enough
Benign Bizarre :: The Man With The Golden Gun
Suspense :: The World Is Not Enough
Minor Characters :: The World Is Not Enough
Glamour :: The World Is Not Enough
Ally :: The World Is Not Enough

A 15-2 victory for The World Is Not Enough. Well done, Bond#19.

Soundofthesinners · May 2014

Thank you very much @Birdleson. I do greatly appreciate it when the posts come with their point totals.

ThighsOfXenia · May 2014

Although The World Is Not Enough jumps around on my rankings every-time I see it it currently rests at the very bottom of my list.... right above The Man with the Golden Gun. It appears (for me at least) this is a battle for last place....

PTS: TWINE
Title Track: TWINE
Title Credits: TMWTGG
Main Villain: TMWTGG
Main Bond Girl: TMWTGG (lesser of two evils... I suppose)
Overall Plot: TMWTGG
Dialogue: TMWTGG
Score: TWINE
Settings: TMWTGG
Action: TWINE (lesser of two evils)
Humor: TMWTGG
Cinematography: TMWTGG
Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
Suspense: TWINE (lesser of two evils)
Minor Characters: TWINE
Glamor: TWINE
Ally: TWINE

9-8 in favor of TMWTGG!

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