Best and worst case scenario for the Amazon Bond

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  • Posts: 12,870
    I myself am, in fact, walking, talking woke trash \:D/
  • Bond420Bond420 Space Coast
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    After rewatching all the films again' (I'm currently on "Spy"), It will be interesting on who they choose next. Just stay faithful to the character itself, and I'll be happy.
  • mtm wrote: »
    Apparently there were complaints that Superman turned woke because he cared about saving people. I think at some point you just have to accept that anyone using the word non-ironically is just one of the baddies.


    It’s sad isn’t it. The way America is being run that country could do with someone who actually cares about people in charge.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    edited September 20 Posts: 15,560
    You’re walking on thin ice @Scaramanga1974 and you know it.
    We have asked repeatedly that posts not be politicised, yet this simple request is ignored.
    This is the last time you’ll be told.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 3 Posts: 19,284
    Yeah, I don't really understand the thinking behind it (it could be a 'political' decision, or it might be a styling one and they might have decided to make them look like fashion shots, or just tried to make them match each other- most shots of Connery from each film he's without a gun) but regardless it's a bit weird; but also I can't really care about it all that much: it's just some small onscreen graphics. I don't think it's a sign of anything more egregious.

    It's funny really: in the 90s we had those photocomped VHS covers where they added odd little hands holding guns onto publicity shots of the actors and made them look weird: now they're removing the guns and making them look weird again! :D
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    peter wrote: »

    I don't understand the point either mate, I mean if you watch a Bond film you know there's going to be guns.

    Just serves as another example why fans will be weary of Amazon's stewardship of the series
  • Posts: 6,047
    Oh they look awful, don’t they?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I mean, a couple do (I'm more offended by the mismatching shadows in the AVTAK one than the arms) but most of them look fine I think. I don't think it represents anything greater about MGM, it's just a thing.

    On a vaguely related note, I remember hearing about some rule that in UK, you can't, or didn't used to be allowed to, have a film poster where a character aims a gun at the viewer. Hence there was a TND poster where Wai Lin pointed her gun at the camera in the US version, but the UK version amended it so she pointed it off to the side a bit.

    So, I dunno, this could be about losing the guns, it could about generating artwork which can be used in all markets globally where some territory have tougher rules about showing guns than others, who knows.


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  • peterpeter Toronto
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    mtm wrote: »
    I mean, a couple do (I'm more offended by the mismatching shadows in the AVTAK one than the arms) but most of them look fine I think. I don't think it represents anything greater about MGM, it's just a thing.

    On a vaguely related note, I remember hearing about some rule that in UK, you can't, or didn't used to be allowed to, have a film poster where a character aims a gun at the viewer. Hence there was a TND poster where Wai Lin pointed her gun at the camera in the US version, but the UK version amended it so she pointed it off to the side a bit.

    So, I dunno, this could be about losing the guns, it could about generating artwork which can be used in all markets globally where some territory have tougher rules about showing guns than others, who knows.


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    Very true, but what irks me is the laziness. They could have whipped up some new images fairly quickly that wouldn't have appeared so cheap.

    And then on top of that, James Bond has a license to kill. Showing a gun in a holster wouldn't have caused an uproar, I'm sure. To delete the gun from the man is more than silly. Instead of not bringing attention to this, they've done the opposite: they've placed a glaring spotlight on it.

    I mean, the average person won't notice a gun in the posters, or not but; fans will. Hence why it's now a discussion that doesn't paint Amazon in the best light. It begs the question: what other things will they potentially be watering down.

    Instead of avoiding a non controversy, they've started a minor one, haven't they?

    This omission was stupid.

    Are they going to take the gun out of the 007 logo next?

    Stupid decision.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 4 Posts: 19,284
    The gun has disappeared from the 007 logo before; I think you can find a few individual examples over the years (I remember a couple of films ago there was a 007 tie-in with a brand of trainers/sneakers with a gunless logo, and I reckon there's a chance that due to gangsta culture and all that those brands probably do have internal rules about showing guns on their products) but it seemed to be very much a thing in the Bond styleguide around the release of Die Another Day: there was lots of merch with a gun-less logo when that came out.

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    Have we even seen any other use for these images than the thumbnails on the Prime menu? Most films just get a publicity photo from the set of one of the actors rather than a load of bespoke images. I think some of the choices are odd: there must be other shots of Connery from Dr No (and I hate that shot anyway!) but there we go.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    I can’t stand any of the stills. And I’ve never liked Connery’s pose in this one, 😂. Uncomfortable.

    I mean AI could have whipped up something more decent than these pics.

    And I do understand the sensitivity to gun culture, but we are talking about a secret agent. The most famous one in the world, where bartenders know his signature drink, as Moore jokingly made mention in interviews.

    I think that instead of omitting guns in known stills, they should have created new images or used other stills (Bond sitting at dinner with Dr. No; Moore hanging off the Golden Gate Bridge etc etc…), where not seeing a gun wouldn’t have created any kind of stir.

    But taking known stills and erasing Bond’s Walther was stupid and lazy and put a spotlight on it. They created a minor controversy when they didn’t have to.

    This little blip had an easy fix, and any minor controversy didn’t have to happen.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 4 Posts: 19,284
    peter wrote: »
    I can’t stand any of the stills. And I’ve never liked Connery’s pose in this one, 😂. Uncomfortable.

    I saw someone on Bluesky say that he looks like you've just said something mean about Cher :))

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    peter wrote: »

    I think that instead of omitting guns in known stills, they should have created new images or used other stills (Bond sitting at dinner with Dr. No; Moore hanging off the Golden Gate Bridge etc etc…), where not seeing a gun wouldn’t have created any kind of stir.

    But taking known stills and erasing Bond’s Walther was stupid and lazy and put a spotlight on it. They created a minor controversy when they didn’t have to.

    Yeah, agreed (I actually quite like the ones for TB and GF etc.; I think they're fine).
    Regarding the minor controversy, I do note that it started when James Page, who based on past history doesn't mind starting a stir here and there, shared the portrait versions of the images, which as far as I can see haven't actually been released or used in any form officially.

    In actual fact, as far as I can see, Prime have removed these images now so everyone can stand down. Teacup storm over :D

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    mtm wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    I can’t stand any of the stills. And I’ve never liked Connery’s pose in this one, 😂. Uncomfortable.

    I saw someone on Bluesky say that he looks like you've just said something mean about Cher :))

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    :

    Sassy Bond 😂
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Thank god he wasn’t wear his blue towelling number.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    I saw someone on Bluesky say that he looks like you've just said something mean about Cher

    😂 😂 😂
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    It's just stupid. It's also hypocritical, given that Bezos kisses the feet of people who endorse gun violence.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    mtm wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    I can’t stand any of the stills. And I’ve never liked Connery’s pose in this one, 😂. Uncomfortable.

    I saw someone on Bluesky say that he looks like you've just said something mean about Cher :))

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    peter wrote: »

    I think that instead of omitting guns in known stills, they should have created new images or used other stills (Bond sitting at dinner with Dr. No; Moore hanging off the Golden Gate Bridge etc etc…), where not seeing a gun wouldn’t have created any kind of stir.

    But taking known stills and erasing Bond’s Walther was stupid and lazy and put a spotlight on it. They created a minor controversy when they didn’t have to.

    Yeah, agreed (I actually quite like the ones for TB and GF etc.; I think they're fine).
    Regarding the minor controversy, I do note that it started when James Page, who based on past history doesn't mind starting a stir here and there, shared the portrait versions of the images, which as far as I can see haven't actually been released or used in any form officially.

    In actual fact, as far as I can see, Prime have removed these images now so everyone can stand down. Teacup storm over :D

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    Yikes. Connery looks like a rentboy here.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    There are handguns still visible on Amazon's other selections, such as action films and westerns. Must be a Bond-specific decision.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Maybe Walther wouldn’t pay up?
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Maybe Walther wouldn’t pay up?
    An opportunity for Bond to carry a Beretta. Add the Bentley and Morlands and the era already feels fresh and different but wholly Bondian.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Rolex even.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Sassy Bond 😂

    Careful, he'll scratch your eyes out for that!

    Maybe Walther wouldn’t pay up?

    Yeah I've sort of wondered about that: I feel like Walther is the one long term brand partner who've never had to pay (maybe TLD?) ?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Regardless, retroactive changes almost always anger fans, and with good reason. You can’t have us fall in love with certain images, words, and ideas, and then expect no backlash when you later replace them with something else. When Spielberg swapped guns for walkie-talkies and removed the word terrorist from E.T., audiences weren’t pleased either. Some people still refuse to watch the Star Wars films that George Lucas altered years after their release.

    Personally, I don’t object to every revision ever made, but removing the iconic “gun pose” from Bond posters, however cosmetic and irrelevant to the films themselves, doesn’t sit right with me. I find it both insulting and, coming from Amazon of all companies, rather hypocritical.
  • The new artwork is embarrassingly inept. Why remove the guns?
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    The original DVD covers of NTTD in the US zoomed in so you couldn't see the gun logo.

    https://www.deepdiscount.com/no-time-to-die/883929816668?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=17347185254
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    It's right there in white next to the 'TO' :)
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited October 6 Posts: 14,285
    echo wrote: »
    The original DVD covers of NTTD in the US zoomed in so you couldn't see the gun logo.

    https://www.deepdiscount.com/no-time-to-die/883929816668?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=17347185254

    I don't even think the gun is there. It's as if they removed the gun, then put the name "conveniently" covering where the gun would be. :-??

    EDIT

    The gun is definitely NOT there. On the poster, you can see where the light is shining off the top of the barrel. But on that BR cover..... nothing. The text isn't thick enough to cover up the PPK if it were there.
  • Posts: 6,239
    I guess Echo was talking about the 007 gun logo. All we can see is the end of the 7 and the trigger of the gun.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    echo wrote: »
    The original DVD covers of NTTD in the US zoomed in so you couldn't see the gun logo.

    https://www.deepdiscount.com/no-time-to-die/883929816668?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=17347185254

    I don't even think the gun is there. It's as if they removed the gun, then put the name "conveniently" covering where the gun would be. :-??

    EDIT

    The gun is definitely NOT there. On the poster, you can see where the light is shining off the top of the barrel. But on that BR cover..... nothing. The text isn't thick enough to cover up the PPK if it were there.

    If the logo were placed there for composition's sake then the light shining on top of the barrel would be removed as it would interfere with the logo, much like they've added a shadow to his hand and shirt to make the logo pop more. But it may well be right that they put it there to hide the gun: it's fully on show on the UK and other nations' versions that I can see, so maybe it's a US thing. The logo placement on Bond's body looks much less awkward on the UK version to me.
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