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  • Since62Since62
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    Seve wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Even if that were true, it's not relevant. What does the intention matter? I’m talking about what happens, not the behind-the-scenes reasons for why it happens.

    It means that I think that, in the case of the Terminator, it's a coincidence that happens to coincide with your viewpoint
    mtm wrote: »
    Regardless, it's not true: the heart of the story is the central irony that the most human character is the machine, and that Sarah finds herself becoming a Terminator at one point of the story. It's not about 'hats'.

    Well I think it is true (oh no it isn't, oh yes it is, oh no it isn't...)

    My personal interest in the Terminator ends with T3, non Arnie or post Govenator holds no interest for me, so I can't comment. Sarah becoming a Terminator is more than I need to know, shark jumping stuff. (Just as I don't care for any more Planet of the Apes after "Beneath", I decided to get off the bus at that point)

    mtm wrote: »
    Says who? T2 was an enormous hit.

    I never said it wasn't
    But, in any case, it wasn't a huge success because the Terminator "grew as a person" either
    The audience is primarily expected to connect emotionally with the boy and the mother, not Arnie.

    The success arises mainly from the resonant story, the spectacular action and the masterful direction of James Cameron.
    mtm wrote: »
    A story is generally where characters change over time. It's not only soap operas, it's pretty much all stories.

    I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then (if that's alright with you)
    mtm wrote: »
    So when you said you 'could do without it' when I mentioned the CR scene, you didn't mean it.

    Yes, I could do without it, but I could also live with it. I don't mind it, but I wouldn't particularly miss it either.
    mtm wrote: »
    They're called 'dramas' or 'stories'. All stories basically involve human relationships.
    You may call stories which have that 'soap operas', much as I may call TV shows or films without them 'children's shows'.

    Ouch!

    Human realtionships yes, fine, but when Bond's head over heals in love, then Bond plans to leave the MI6 and enjoy life, then Bond feels bitter and betrayed by Vesper, then Bond returns to MI6, then Bond feels bitter and betrayed by M and effectively leaves MI6 again, then Bond changes his mind, Bond falls in love again, Bond leaves MI6 again, Bond feels betrayed again, Bond returns to MI6 again... Vesper dies, Mathis dies, M dies, Leiter dies, Bond dies

    On that scale it becomes melodrama and soap, the same emotions recycled over and over, which is what Medical Dramas and Soap Operas do
    mtm wrote: »
    Google 'Star Trek reset button syndication'.

    Interesting, but it's much the same reasoning that I gave, that the Networks were worried that if the audience missed a weekly episode they might beome confused or frustrated by references to events they had missed seeing and change channels. That applys equally to the initial first run and in syndication.

    The "reset button" in Star Trek, particularly in The Next Generation and Voyager, refers to the episodic nature of the shows where most episodes feature self-contained stories, and the status quo is largely restored by the end, minimizing lasting consequences from one episode to the next.
    mtm wrote: »
    Great, I think the movies are way better. Lots of people agree with you and that's fine, but I think it's more because they enjoy the variety of sci-fi plots rather than because the characters change.

    We are in agreement then, some of us prefer plot driven to character driven
    I'm not suggesting the two are mutually exclusive, they are mutualy inclusive, but also you can have either on it's own as well.

    Many people don't like character studies because there is not enough plot

    A character study novel is a literary work where the focus is heavily on exploring the psychology, motivations, and overall personality of one or more characters, often overshadowing the plot itself. The narrative delves into their internal world, relationships, and how they change and evolve throughout the story. Essentially, the character's journey and development take center stage, rather than a traditional plot-driven narrative

    Key Characteristics:
    Focus on Character: The primary emphasis is on the characters, their inner lives, and their relationships with others.
    Psychological Depth: Character studies often explore characters' motivations, desires, fears, and how these shape their actions.
    Character Growth: A character study often involves analyzing how the character changes and evolves over the course of the story.
    No Traditional Plot: While there may be events or situations, the plot is often secondary to the character's journey.

    I don't want James Bond to be a character study at the expense of having a decent plot
    mtm wrote: »
    Seve wrote: »
    In fact I select episodes to watch on that basis, if the synopsis involves personal growth or drama I avoid it

    That seems a bit odd to me. That's to say, I sort of know what you mean with regards TNG; if it's one about Worf and his son or something you know it's going to be a pretty boring one because they did a fairly clumsy job with some of those; but the characters are what makes the sci fi stories work because you're supposed to care for them. If you're not interested in them then it's hard to be as emotionally invested in the stories which are being told.

    Of course characters always have a baseline, that goes without saying (although here I am saying it again), but that base doesn't have to change over time.

    TV Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scottie, Uhuru, Sulu, Chappel and Chekov are unchanging, momentous personal events occasionally happen to them in an episode, but next week they are back as if that never happened and they may never refer to it again.

    Yeoman Rand disappeared, but never changed.

    Because Kirk did the finger-guns pointing at Rand with a big ol' smile and said, "Yeoman Rand ! DON'T...go changing yeahhhhh"
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    No Craig or woman Bond in anywhere near in the next one.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited August 18 Posts: 18,879
    Pierce Brosnan backtracks on his 2019 statement and says that Bond has to be played by a man, not a woman:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/james-bond-pierce-brosnan-thursday-murder-club-b2809439.html
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 14,674
    Pierce Brosnan insists
    new James Bond ‘has to be a man’
    after saying a woman should be cast

    So the time came and went. No harm no foul for Mr. Brosnan.

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,845
    Just because someone makes a headline out of it doesn't necessarily mean that the person involved who has given an off-the-cuff statement has given it a great amount of thought.
  • CharmianBondCharmianBond Pett Bottom, Kent
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    It is such a gotcha question that can generate headlines but for what it's worth, Bond has already been played by a woman, cat's out the bag there. And I'm sure it'll happen more once Bond is fully in the public domain.

    I think all-female theatre productions are interesting and valid creative endeavours (the CR musical was certainly... interesting 🐬) and stories can and should transform and evolve due to time, place and audience.

    But I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting it'll happen or even wanting Amazon to do it, so I don't see it as that big of deal. And if come 2035 there's a flurry of female James Bond stories and that's not your cup of tea, that's perfectly valid, you don't have to engage with it. The original stories and performances with the male actors will still be there to enjoy (barring any catastrophes).

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  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    mtm wrote: »
    Just because someone makes a headline out of it doesn't necessarily mean that the person involved who has given an off-the-cuff statement has given it a great amount of thought.

    That's true. And it really doesn't take much to make a headline or a story when it comes to the James Bond films.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,761
    MSL49 wrote: »
    No Craig or woman Bond in anywhere near in the next one.

    @MSL49 , I think your Craig dislike has clouded your logic. You do realize his Bond was blown to smithereens almost half a decade ago, right? Your worst nightmare of him coming back as Zombie-Bond, or Bond in any form isn't going to happen.

    I swear, some of you anti-Craig people are softer than a jelly-donut.

    Time to get over your Daniel Craig obsession.
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    CharmianBond wrote: »
    It is such a gotcha question that can generate headlines but for what it's worth, Bond has already been played by a woman, cat's out the bag there. And I'm sure it'll happen more once Bond is fully in the public domain.

    I think all-female theatre productions are interesting and valid creative endeavours (the CR musical was certainly... interesting 🐬) and stories can and should transform and evolve due to time, place and audience.

    But I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting it'll happen or even wanting Amazon to do it, so I don't see it as that big of deal. And if come 2035 there's a flurry of female James Bond stories and that's not your cup of tea, that's perfectly valid, you don't have to engage with it. The original stories and performances with the male actors will still be there to enjoy (barring any catastrophes).

    takarazukabond1.jpg

    Ha, forgot about that! I've always that when Bond's in public domain in most countries (not just Japan and Canada) this is the sort of stuff we'll get. Not competing films but stage adaptations - some a bit more on the 'avant garde' side like this.
  • Scaramanga1974Scaramanga1974
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    There is more chance of Donald Trump becoming sane and rational then Bond being played by a woman ie none.
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
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    peter wrote: »

    @MSL49 , I think your Craig dislike has clouded your logic. You do realize his Bond was blown to smithereens almost half a decade ago, right?

    Jesus @peter you're making me feel old with that one XD. I don't know why but it doesn't not feel like it's been that long since he left the role. Feels like NTTD only came out yesterday still...
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    It's been even when you factor in when it was finished/was meant to be released ;) It's that Covid period which aged that mid 20s and late teen crowd, haha. Basically a year or two of life.

    It does surprise me how long it was sometimes though, agreed.
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
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    Perhaps another reason is because some people have never stopped complaining about the film too haha. It's a weird one because I've never been the biggest fan of the overall Craig era - but every so often I find myself becoming nostalgic for it and usually that means I'm due for another viewing of his five films. I'll have to get on that!
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,761
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    peter wrote: »

    @MSL49 , I think your Craig dislike has clouded your logic. You do realize his Bond was blown to smithereens almost half a decade ago, right?

    Jesus @peter you're making me feel old with that one XD. I don't know why but it doesn't not feel like it's been that long since he left the role. Feels like NTTD only came out yesterday still...

    😂 @007ClassicBondFan ... "a lot's changed in the world since you moved on" Classic BondFan..!
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
    Posts: 2,658
    peter wrote: »
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    peter wrote: »

    @MSL49 , I think your Craig dislike has clouded your logic. You do realize his Bond was blown to smithereens almost half a decade ago, right?

    Jesus @peter you're making me feel old with that one XD. I don't know why but it doesn't not feel like it's been that long since he left the role. Feels like NTTD only came out yesterday still...

    😂 @007ClassicBondFan ... "a lot's changed in the world since you moved on" Classic BondFan..!

    That line will be even more appropriate when Bond 26 finally hits theaters!
  • redherringredherring Netherlands
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    I love absolutely adore Craig and I understand he was just answering a question, but I'm a female leftist feminist and I personally wouldn't want a female Bond. In fact, I don't want this franchise to become a political arena at all. I want to sit down, relax and revel in the comforting familiarity of a gun barrel opening, our hero in a tuxedo and a good 'Bond, James Bond' line read. Please leave more inventive ideas to the superhero movies and whatever other dreck is out there. If there needs to be a main female character in the Bond universe, the solution is very simple: write a good female character and create a spin-off series. Make a buck in the process. They could even use some existing Ian Fleming IP. Problem solved. Everybody happy. I won't even take credit for the idea. Just let me enjoy classic Bond in peace.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
    Posts: 456
    peter wrote: »
    MSL49 wrote: »
    No Craig or woman Bond in anywhere near in the next one.

    @MSL49 , I think your Craig dislike has clouded your logic. You do realize his Bond was blown to smithereens almost half a decade ago, right? Your worst nightmare of him coming back as Zombie-Bond, or Bond in any form isn't going to happen.

    I swear, some of you anti-Craig people are softer than a jelly-donut.

    Time to get over your Daniel Craig obsession.
    I think you are the biggest Craig fanboy out there who gets anyone who didnt show love for his Bond.
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