Best and worst case scenario for the Amazon Bond

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  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    It's going to be Hoult and you're all going to hate it.

    I wouldn't hate that.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Amazon were very careful to choose an actor who was unambiguously a good fit for Jack Reacher. No doubt the backlash over Tom Cruise playing him in the films fed into that. If similar considerations informed their choice of an actor to play Bond, we would be back to the tall, dark, conventionally handsome Connery, Dalton, Brosnan mould. But, as mtm says, given Craig's impact as Bond and how associated with Dan the role became, they may not feel the same need to go for the old Bond archetype at all. Hard to judge this one.
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    I don't think there are many young Connerys out there. I'm sure if they found one they'd sign him.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    I think Amazon will play to the fans a bit, given the director/writer they have chosen. I don't think Amazon has the credit in the bank in terms of trust to cast too far against type. Perhaps we get a more unknown choice, but I don't they'd cast say an American, for example
  • trevan007trevan007 Switzerland
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    I forgot to add under “worst-case scenario,” I am afraid of a noticeable shift for the series to start feeling more American and less British. I’m not saying that Bond & company wouldn’t still be located in England, but the tone and feel could easily be lost without those right, subtle sensibilities. As a US citizen (and one currently very ashamed one, mind you, though I did nothing personally to contribute to the current mess), the last thing I want is for Bond to become Americanized.

    Exactly. American here as well from Colorado. A blue state. Whatever that means. And America, as we have known it, is in a death spiral because the majority of us couldn't vote for a mixed-race woman as President. Sheesh. Bond's British nature is at the essential core of the books and the films. And worst case is an American Bond, with American locations and feel. Also, just on streaming and not on the big screen (No Time to Die has been the only movie that I haven't seen on the big screen because I had COVID at the time. Did get to see it in glorious 4k on my mom's large TV). I think that we will get it on the big screen, in Real 3D. There definitely will be some monkeying around on the streaming service including side characters, game shows and who knows what else. Even though the Broccolis sold the movie rights, they still have some creative say. The producers, director, and screenwriter are all amazing choices. Bezos could afford a massive budget (All that I have read says it will be larger than No Time to Die), and with that amount of money they could afford the top technical talent. Music will always be one of the most important aspects and on the Film Score Monthly Message Board there was a lot of venom when discussing Hans Zimmer. I like most aspects of his score for No Time to Die other than the over-reliance on OHMSS. But that was sort of the thing, reversing who gets to die (Spoiler: James Bond dies at the end, though he dies for love and not jsut an act of revenge like in OHMSS.).
  • ArapahoeBondFanArapahoeBondFan Colorado
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    trevan007 wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I forgot to add under “worst-case scenario,” I am afraid of a noticeable shift for the series to start feeling more American and less British. I’m not saying that Bond & company wouldn’t still be located in England, but the tone and feel could easily be lost without those right, subtle sensibilities. As a US citizen (and one currently very ashamed one, mind you, though I did nothing personally to contribute to the current mess), the last thing I want is for Bond to become Americanized.

    Exactly. American here as well from Colorado. A blue state. Whatever that means. And America, as we have known it, is in a death spiral because the majority of us couldn't vote for a mixed-race woman as President. Sheesh.
    Can't we leave politics out of it? We already had one. Obama. First mixed race pres. Great. I'm also mixed race yet look like the minority side like Obama.

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    Worst case scenario for Amazon-Bond ? Already read about it. Reportedly, the principal of Amazon, Jeff Bezos, is "obsessed" with his wife portraying the next Bond film lady character...yeah...the producers and Craig got out just in time.
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    I hope Bezos play Blofeld, that would be insane.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited August 12 Posts: 3,329
    Since62 wrote: »
    Worst case scenario for Amazon-Bond ? Already read about it. Reportedly, the principal of Amazon, Jeff Bezos, is "obsessed" with his wife portraying the next Bond film lady character...
    The female lead, according to the reports. Not a bit part, not a cameo, not the Sacrificial Lamb - the actual Bond Girl. Hopefully, it's just silly season shizzle. Otherwise, I might have to mix metaphors by drawing a line in the sand and walking the plank...
  • JustJamesJustJames London
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    bondywondy wrote: »
    JustJames wrote: »
    Just sat through Heads of State, so am not too worried about Amazon Bond. Whole thing was pretty much what an eighties Roger Moore Bond would be with modern production values. Even followed the Bond Formula to an extent. Very funny.

    I can't see Villeneuve doing a Roger Moore type Bond film. 🤭 Not really his style. But hey, anything is possible. 😉

    It’s more looking at Amazons output as essentially market research. They had Citadel for a few years now, but I think Heads of State and The Assasin (with Keeley Hawes and dripping Bond stuff like it’s a mild NTTD fanfic or parody of the Craig era) there’s a real sense of them trying things out in an adjacent space before applying what they learn to Bond.
    But then, they also had Treadstone and Alex Ryder, so they’ve got a decent history with action/espionage stuff. (Think they also do the Jack Ryan and Reacher shows don’t they?)
  • JustJamesJustJames London
    edited August 16 Posts: 234
    billqs wrote: »
    Best case scenario- Amazon hires someone with a solid head on their shoulders who really understands the genre. Phoebe Waller-Bridge for example did wonderful work on Killing Eve's first season and was one of the writers on the last Bond. Whoever it is, needs some creative freedom to work.

    Worst case scenario= Amazon plays it "safe" and makes Bond very bland and vanilla.

    As for "woke", who knows? It didn't really change anything that the current Q was gay or that Moneypenny was black, did it? Dame Judi Dench is just as emblematic playing M as Bernard Lee was. I just hope they keep Bond's character intact. Bond is as much antihero as hero, and this is on purpose. If they can keep that core, I think it could work.

    They’ve got PWB and Cavill already on contract. They can just cast them and let a little improv happen with a script and get a decent film xD
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    @JustJames

    Please avoid double posts. Use the edit button instead.
    https://www.mi6community.com/discussion/21601/polite-reminder-multiposts-and-more#latest

    Thank you.

  • morcarvicmorcarvic france
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    JustJames wrote: »
    billqs wrote: »
    Best case scenario- Amazon hires someone with a solid head on their shoulders who really understands the genre. Phoebe Waller-Bridge for example did wonderful work on Killing Eve's first season and was one of the writers on the last Bond. Whoever it is, needs some creative freedom to work.

    Worst case scenario= Amazon plays it "safe" and makes Bond very bland and vanilla.

    As for "woke", who knows? It didn't really change anything that the current Q was gay or that Moneypenny was black, did it? Dame Judi Dench is just as emblematic playing M as Bernard Lee was. I just hope they keep Bond's character intact. Bond is as much antihero as hero, and this is on purpose. If they can keep that core, I think it could work.

    They’ve got PWB and Cavill already on contract. They can just cast them and let a little improv happen with a script and get a decent film xD

    PWB ,just the sort of millennial disney+ woke subversion of bond I don't want to see ,look at dial of destiny.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    morcarvic wrote: »
    JustJames wrote: »
    billqs wrote: »
    Best case scenario- Amazon hires someone with a solid head on their shoulders who really understands the genre. Phoebe Waller-Bridge for example did wonderful work on Killing Eve's first season and was one of the writers on the last Bond. Whoever it is, needs some creative freedom to work.

    Worst case scenario= Amazon plays it "safe" and makes Bond very bland and vanilla.

    As for "woke", who knows? It didn't really change anything that the current Q was gay or that Moneypenny was black, did it? Dame Judi Dench is just as emblematic playing M as Bernard Lee was. I just hope they keep Bond's character intact. Bond is as much antihero as hero, and this is on purpose. If they can keep that core, I think it could work.

    They’ve got PWB and Cavill already on contract. They can just cast them and let a little improv happen with a script and get a decent film xD

    PWB ,just the sort of millennial disney+ woke subversion of bond I don't want to see ,look at dial of destiny.

    @morcarvic ... Uhm, PWB was an actor in DoD, not a writer. She was performing a role (and she was about as "woke" as Marion was, who, in the 1981 film Raiders, could drink huge men under the table, and slugged out Indy himself...This is the problem with people who see "woke" everywhere...).

    She did excellent writing on NTTD, and is a great screenwriter, so, Uhm, yeah....
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    morcarvic wrote: »
    JustJames wrote: »
    billqs wrote: »
    Best case scenario- Amazon hires someone with a solid head on their shoulders who really understands the genre. Phoebe Waller-Bridge for example did wonderful work on Killing Eve's first season and was one of the writers on the last Bond. Whoever it is, needs some creative freedom to work.

    Worst case scenario= Amazon plays it "safe" and makes Bond very bland and vanilla.

    As for "woke", who knows? It didn't really change anything that the current Q was gay or that Moneypenny was black, did it? Dame Judi Dench is just as emblematic playing M as Bernard Lee was. I just hope they keep Bond's character intact. Bond is as much antihero as hero, and this is on purpose. If they can keep that core, I think it could work.

    They’ve got PWB and Cavill already on contract. They can just cast them and let a little improv happen with a script and get a decent film xD

    PWB ,just the sort of millennial disney+ woke subversion of bond I don't want to see ,look at dial of destiny.

    It was great, and as Peter says, don’t confuse acting with writing, they’re two different jobs.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Phoebe WB said that while the world's changed, Bond 'doesn’t have to. He needs to be true to his character.' That's encouraging, no? She's also genuinely funny - I'd bet five whole pence that 'Not the first thing I thought you'd take off' and 'I've just shown someone your watch' were hers. I hope she does have input into the B26 screenplay.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    morcarvic wrote: »
    JustJames wrote: »
    billqs wrote: »
    Best case scenario- Amazon hires someone with a solid head on their shoulders who really understands the genre. Phoebe Waller-Bridge for example did wonderful work on Killing Eve's first season and was one of the writers on the last Bond. Whoever it is, needs some creative freedom to work.

    Worst case scenario= Amazon plays it "safe" and makes Bond very bland and vanilla.

    As for "woke", who knows? It didn't really change anything that the current Q was gay or that Moneypenny was black, did it? Dame Judi Dench is just as emblematic playing M as Bernard Lee was. I just hope they keep Bond's character intact. Bond is as much antihero as hero, and this is on purpose. If they can keep that core, I think it could work.

    They’ve got PWB and Cavill already on contract. They can just cast them and let a little improv happen with a script and get a decent film xD

    PWB ,just the sort of millennial disney+ woke subversion of bond I don't want to see ,look at dial of destiny.

    "Woke", the angry term people throw at stuff they don't like, without giving a clear definition for it. And did PWB make NTTD "woke" through her writing?
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    I hope PWB returns in some capacity, whether writing or as Moneypenny.
  • cwl007cwl007 England
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    I think Prime will have Bond reacting to SPECTRE's evil scene from a Zoom call in his office. He deals with it all on a laptop by communicating with Q and M and has Amazon deliver gadgets to him to solve problems.
  • JustJamesJustJames London
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    morcarvic wrote: »
    JustJames wrote: »
    billqs wrote: »
    Best case scenario- Amazon hires someone with a solid head on their shoulders who really understands the genre. Phoebe Waller-Bridge for example did wonderful work on Killing Eve's first season and was one of the writers on the last Bond. Whoever it is, needs some creative freedom to work.

    Worst case scenario= Amazon plays it "safe" and makes Bond very bland and vanilla.

    As for "woke", who knows? It didn't really change anything that the current Q was gay or that Moneypenny was black, did it? Dame Judi Dench is just as emblematic playing M as Bernard Lee was. I just hope they keep Bond's character intact. Bond is as much antihero as hero, and this is on purpose. If they can keep that core, I think it could work.

    They’ve got PWB and Cavill already on contract. They can just cast them and let a little improv happen with a script and get a decent film xD

    PWB ,just the sort of millennial disney+ woke subversion of bond I don't want to see ,look at dial of destiny.

    Don’t believe the YT hype.
    PWB is not ‘woke’ in the way people seem to get upset over.
    If anyone had watched Fleabag, they would know that.
    She’s been in a couple of Disney legacy sequels that were bit shite, whilst she was fine in them, and wrote some of NTTD, mainly a dialogue polish (the jokes) and introducing the one bit and one character everyone seems to like (Cuba scenes)
    She’s a pretty normal forty something, with a tendency towards racy humour, and pretty good drama chops too.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    edited 9:30pm Posts: 9,761
    JustJames wrote: »
    morcarvic wrote: »
    JustJames wrote: »
    billqs wrote: »
    Best case scenario- Amazon hires someone with a solid head on their shoulders who really understands the genre. Phoebe Waller-Bridge for example did wonderful work on Killing Eve's first season and was one of the writers on the last Bond. Whoever it is, needs some creative freedom to work.

    Worst case scenario= Amazon plays it "safe" and makes Bond very bland and vanilla.

    As for "woke", who knows? It didn't really change anything that the current Q was gay or that Moneypenny was black, did it? Dame Judi Dench is just as emblematic playing M as Bernard Lee was. I just hope they keep Bond's character intact. Bond is as much antihero as hero, and this is on purpose. If they can keep that core, I think it could work.

    They’ve got PWB and Cavill already on contract. They can just cast them and let a little improv happen with a script and get a decent film xD

    PWB ,just the sort of millennial disney+ woke subversion of bond I don't want to see ,look at dial of destiny.

    Don’t believe the YT hype.
    PWB is not ‘woke’ in the way people seem to get upset over.
    If anyone had watched Fleabag, they would know that.
    She’s been in a couple of Disney legacy sequels that were bit shite, whilst she was fine in them, and wrote some of NTTD, mainly a dialogue polish (the jokes) and introducing the one bit and one character everyone seems to like (Cuba scenes)
    She’s a pretty normal forty something, with a tendency towards racy humour, and pretty good drama chops too.

    I have to correct you on PWB's participation on the NTTD script. She was originally brought in for some dialogue polish/humor on all characters, but did quite a good job, and she was brought back and worked on far more of the script, including making the nono-bot technology easier for audiences to grasp.

    PWB got a credit for screenwriting NTTD (meaning she wasn't a script doctor), and that means, according to the WGA, she was recognized for *at least* 33% of the work.

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