Craig says Bond could be played by a woman...

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  • edited September 2019 Posts: 364

    How did they deal with the Doctor having been married? How did River Song feel about being married to a woman trapped in a man’s body?
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    edited September 2019 Posts: 4,452
    How come it's always male roles that get called to change gender but never the other way around?

    Please let me know of any female roles that have 'become male....'
  • cwl007cwl007 England
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    Good question. Of course at some point pint in the future Dr Who will do just that.
    I think it will be interesting as to when the BBC production team deem this 'acceptable'. I'm a big Dr Who fan and have no issue at all with the Doctor being a woman because as previously stated the Doctor's body is completely fluid as an in-universe concept. (The fact we had 13 men in the role prior to Jodie Whittaker is just a fluke!)
    However I was keen on her take on the role. Not sure if it was her personally or the scripts/new show runner. Anyway this is just a long way of answering the question. We will see a female role change to a man here but not anytime soon because of the nervousness around the inevitable backlash that would occur if done after just one woman.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Troy wrote: »
    How did they deal with the Doctor having been married? How did River Song feel about being married to a woman trapped in a man’s body?

    She’s not been in it for several years. Based on their previous treatment of such things it wouldn’t make any difference.
  • Question (not only limited to the topic discussed here): How could we see Bond presented on screen/books etc. when James Bond eventually enters public domain? Could we see a "Jane Bond" or a completely different take on the character in the future, with the character in public domain – much like Sherlock Holmes?

    Once Ian Fleming’s novels are out of copyright, which is only fifteen years away, then yes, anything goes. Any film or TV company will be able to use the James Bond character, and use the character any way they want, like put the character into a comedy or a rom com or a tv sit com.

    I think that after 2034 we will see a female actor playing Bond, it’s pretty much a given.

    What some people don’t seem to have realised yet is that all of Ian Fleming’s other characters enter the public domain too. Dr No, Goldfinger, Largo, Rosa Kleenex - they are all out of copyright in fifteen years’ time, so any film company can use these characters in any way they want.



  • Rosa Kleenex

    Sometimes I love spelling autocorrect lol

  • edited September 2019 Posts: 18,114
    Question (not only limited to the topic discussed here): How could we see Bond presented on screen/books etc. when James Bond eventually enters public domain? Could we see a "Jane Bond" or a completely different take on the character in the future, with the character in public domain – much like Sherlock Holmes?

    Once Ian Fleming’s novels are out of copyright, which is only fifteen years away, then yes, anything goes. Any film or TV company will be able to use the James Bond character, and use the character any way they want, like put the character into a comedy or a rom com or a tv sit com.

    I think that after 2034 we will see a female actor playing Bond, it’s pretty much a given.

    What some people don’t seem to have realised yet is that all of Ian Fleming’s other characters enter the public domain too. Dr No, Goldfinger, Largo, Rosa Kleenex - they are all out of copyright in fifteen years’ time, so any film company can use these characters in any way they want.

    Thanks, @IGotABrudder – that was what I thought. We should just brace ourselves for a another CR67, or rather a CR34 then!
    Rosa Kleenex

    Sometimes I love spelling autocorrect lol

    Haha!
  • Posts: 364
    So, maybe that’s why there’s rumours of Babs selling EON. Presumably the value will plummet once anyone can make a Bond movie
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Troy wrote: »
    So, maybe that’s why there’s rumours of Babs selling EON. Presumably the value will plummet once anyone can make a Bond movie

    Nah, not going to happen. I would imagine 'James Bond' and '007' are trademarks of Eon: the copyright on the books may run out but if Bond himself is trademarked you're not going to be able to make a movie featuring him any time soon.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    Troy wrote: »
    So, maybe that’s why there’s rumours of Babs selling EON. Presumably the value will plummet once anyone can make a Bond movie

    Where did you read that, in The Daily Mirror?

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  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Troy wrote: »
    So, maybe that’s why there’s rumours of Babs selling EON. Presumably the value will plummet once anyone can make a Bond movie

    Where did you read that, in The Daily Mirror?

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  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    00Agent wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Troy wrote: »
    So, maybe that’s why there’s rumours of Babs selling EON. Presumably the value will plummet once anyone can make a Bond movie

    Where did you read that, in The Daily Mirror?

    :-\"

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    :D
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Question (not only limited to the topic discussed here): How could we see Bond presented on screen/books etc. when James Bond eventually enters public domain? Could we see a "Jane Bond" or a completely different take on the character in the future, with the character in public domain – much like Sherlock Holmes?

    I think the best medium for a strict adaptation of the novels would be something like Netflix. Watching it at home, the movie wouldn't carry the same kind of connotations and baggage of a cinematic experience. You would just watch it as a straight up spy period piece, without any of the EON iconography glamorizing it. Bond could be as in the novel as a very prickly English gentleman, no one liners or anything that softens his image. He's just a blunt instrument, rather than something to idolize on the big screen.
  • __M____M__ MidwestUSA
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    Sure, however the franchise would end. However, I propose a biopic of Queen Elizabeth played by Richard Simmons. It follows the same logic.
  • M16_CartM16_Cart Craig fanboy?
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    fanbond123 wrote: »
    This is why actors are hired to act. Thinking is not their forte. I'd stick to acting, Daniel

    Wow, what a smug opinion.
  • Posts: 459
    Playing a real characters and twisting his gender is different than a fictional character.

    Let's take Hamlet, there have been countless play adaptations where his gender was bended, and they usually play to small audiences.

    Nonetheless, when a work is public domain, it naturally attracts people wanting to bend it.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
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    M16_Cart wrote: »
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    This is why actors are hired to act. Thinking is not their forte. I'd stick to acting, Daniel

    Wow, what a smug opinion.

    Mmmmm, I'm pretty sure it's been said before by some famous Producer or Director?

    I think the "problem" with top line actors in an ongoing part, is that they get bored and push to have their character put in ever more dramatic situations, so they can improve their skills and grow as a performer, which on the one hand is fine and only natural for an ambitious and committed thespian, but on the other hand is not always what best serves the character or the production itself.

    The production is a collaboration, but when an ongoing franchise becomes popular and the money is rolling in, and where the actor fronting it becomes strongly identified with the lead character, he or she gains more and more leverage until they can end up in a position calling all the shots and over-shadowing the input of the Director and other stake-holders.

    So you can end up with everyone wanting to make a melodramatic exit, Wolverine, Iron-Man, Captain America... and now Craig-Bond

    Daniel Craig was never satisfied with just playing the part of James Bond, the character always had to be struggling with some internal demons, so that Craig could satisfy his need to do some "real" acting.
  • Posts: 159
    The last movie was all about a female Bond,Amazon should go ahead and completely make Bond a woman and lose millions.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    renno61 wrote: »
    The last movie was all about a female Bond,Amazon should go ahead and completely make Bond a woman and lose millions.

    The last film was all about a female Bond?

    Did you see the last film?
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    Can and should are two entirely different things.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    renno61 wrote: »
    The last movie was all about a female Bond,Amazon should go ahead and completely make Bond a woman and lose millions.

    I think we're way past those times when we were worried about this. First Light's trailer has already put this to rest.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Hi, just popping in to find the exit. Bye.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Joe, don a hat.
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    Whoops, wrong thread. Let's back away, son, we don't want to read any of this.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited August 8 Posts: 4,076
    Seve wrote: »
    M16_Cart wrote: »
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    This is why actors are hired to act. Thinking is not their forte. I'd stick to acting, Daniel

    Wow, what a smug opinion.

    Mmmmm, I'm pretty sure it's been said before by some famous Producer or Director?

    I think the "problem" with top line actors in an ongoing part, is that they get bored and push to have their character put in ever more dramatic situations, so they can improve their skills and grow as a performer, which on the one hand is fine and only natural for an ambitious and committed thespian, but on the other hand is not always what best serves the character or the production itself.

    The production is a collaboration, but when an ongoing franchise becomes popular and the money is rolling in, and where the actor fronting it becomes strongly identified with the lead character, he or she gains more and more leverage until they can end up in a position calling all the shots and over-shadowing the input of the Director and other stake-holders.

    So you can end up with everyone wanting to make a melodramatic exit, Wolverine, Iron-Man, Captain America... and now Craig-Bond

    Daniel Craig was never satisfied with just playing the part of James Bond, the character always had to be struggling with some internal demons, so that Craig could satisfy his need to do some "real" acting.

    It's called pushing the boundaries, if Craig didn't pushed the boundaries, Bond would no longer be interesting to audiences, whether we liked what Craig did or not, that's what keeps the people going and watch these films, because it's something new and different from the previous films.
    Whether we liked it or not, films of Craig have made tons of money than all of the classic Bond films, his decisions led to fresh takes on the character and revitalised the franchise, I do understand Craig, it's not that he liked a dramatic exit for himself, after all, NTTD was a semi adaptation of YOLT book (or the ending that resembled the ending of FRWL book), and I'm not even a fan of NTTD, but I understand why he did those things, and for sure, his decisions have been approved by the Producers and everyone else in the filmmaking crew because those are interesting and something new, not just because the lead wanted it to happen for himself.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    edited August 8 Posts: 724
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    It's called pushing the boundaries, if Craig didn't pushed the boundaries, Bond would no longer be interesting to audiences, whether we liked what Craig did or not, that's what keeps the people going and watch these films, because it's something new and different from the previous films.

    Not true, when there is a charismatic type actor in the role, the audience keeps coming back primarily to see the same character cope with different situations, not see his character "push the boiundaries"

    No-one wants to see John MacClane or Rambo or The Terminator "push the boundaries" of their characters internal life

    No-one wanted to see Connery-Bond or Moore-Bond do that either, only with the arrival of Dalton did the idea of exploring the character of Movie-Bond begin to emerge.

    And It's fine to do that to some extent, I understand that after making so many movies the search for ways to freshen things up becomes wider, I just think they overdid it.
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    Whether we liked it or not, films of Craig have made tons of money than all of the classic Bond films...

    Your not taking into account inflation

    AI says

    "The most popular James Bond film by ticket sales, adjusted for inflation, is Thunderball. While Skyfall earned the most at the box office overall, and No Time to Die was a success, when accounting for ticket price inflation, older films like Thunderball and Goldfinger surpass them"
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    ...his decisions led to fresh takes on the character and revitalised the franchise, I do understand Craig, it's not that he liked a dramatic exit for himself, after all, NTTD was a semi adaptation of YOLT book (or the ending that resembled the ending of FRWL book), and I'm not even a fan of NTTD, but I understand why he did those things, and for sure, his decisions have been approved by the Producers and everyone else in the filmmaking crew because those are interesting and something new, not just because the lead wanted it to happen for himself.

    I see little of YOLT the book in NTTD, you'll have to explain, and it will take more than a pioson garden to make it stick. FRWL has a cliffhanger ending, but everyone agrees that NTTD does not.

    Sure, NTTD is not just about Craig, Babs also wanted to develop and explore the characters personal side, and Craig became her partner in that venture. With the benefit of hindsight we can also see that she wanted to go out with a bang and put an exclamation mark at the end of her families involvement with the franchise.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Bond was played by a woman in CR..

    And in many other films really.

  • mattjoesmattjoes Joe, don a hat.
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    Bond was played by a woman in CR..

    And in many other films really.

    My man, I was coming to say the same thing.

    How little people know.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    James Bond was played by a woman called Modesty Blaise.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Bond was played by a woman in CR..

    And in many other films really.
    Very good. I'm glad this thread exists now.
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