Best and worst case scenario for the Amazon Bond

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  • mattjoesmattjoes Back to Joe Don.
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    He better be Bond or I expect a humble letter of apology @Stamper.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    He better be Bond or I expect a humble letter of apology @Stamper.
    You'll get neither. But when you get Tom Holland you'll take it and like it!
  • mattjoesmattjoes Back to Joe Don.
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    QBranch wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    He better be Bond or I expect a humble letter of apology @Stamper.
    You'll get neither. But when you get Tom Holland you'll take it and like it!

    This is extortion.
  • Posts: 5,692
    Is his name Timothee Chalamalabingbong? 🤔 or Timothee Chalamalabingbond? Time will tell…
  • NoTimeToLiveNoTimeToLive Jamaica
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    He better be Bond or I expect a humble letter of apology @Stamper.
    You'll get neither. But when you get Tom Holland you'll take it and like it!

    This is extortion.

    That's what the second E in SPECTRE stands for, after all.
  • Posts: 11
    mattjoes wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    He better be Bond or I expect a humble letter of apology @Stamper.
    You'll get neither. But when you get Tom Holland you'll take it and like it!

    This is extortion.

    That's what the second E in SPECTRE stands for, after all.

    you got a point.
  • edited July 17 Posts: 572
    I think Amazon should go in a completely new direction. It's time to expand the Bond franchise. Amazon MGM and Paramount Studios present:

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    Tom Holland may be ideal for the part. Right height.

    ;))
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    I think this is going to be a total reinvention. Bond will be doing selfies, and make a fortune with crypto currency, and be involved on a mission when some hacker steals his fortune.

    There's probably going to be a set piece in Dubai, where a woman influencer Bond bedded misses her plane and his kidnapped and left for dead and Bond goes on revenge against sons of russian oligarchs. This kind of stuff.

    I can't possibly see them going any other way. They need to grab the elusive Gen Z attention span (good luck). It's going to be a radical change, but then Bond always evolved with the times. What I'm not sure is how Villeneuve will handle the humor.
  • JustJamesJustJames London
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    Just sat through Heads of State, so am not too worried about Amazon Bond. Whole thing was pretty much what an eighties Roger Moore Bond would be with modern production values. Even followed the Bond Formula to an extent. Very funny.
  • edited July 26 Posts: 572
    JustJames wrote: »
    Just sat through Heads of State, so am not too worried about Amazon Bond. Whole thing was pretty much what an eighties Roger Moore Bond would be with modern production values. Even followed the Bond Formula to an extent. Very funny.

    I can't see Villeneuve doing a Roger Moore type Bond film. 🤭 Not really his style. But hey, anything is possible. 😉
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    bondywondy wrote: »
    JustJames wrote: »
    Just sat through Heads of State, so am not too worried about Amazon Bond. Whole thing was pretty much what an eighties Roger Moore Bond would be with modern production values. Even followed the Bond Formula to an extent. Very funny.

    I can't see Villeneuve doing a Roger Moore type Bond film. 🤭 Not really his style. But hey, anything is possible. 😉

    His favorite Bond films are CR and SF.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    We might as well just keep the MI6 brigade at this rate.
  • edited August 4 Posts: 572
    Don't worry, Amazon will be amazing for Bond! Amazing! They hit it out of the park all the time.

    https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/war_of_the_worlds_2025

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  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    bondywondy wrote: »
    Don't worry, Amazon will be amazing for Bond! Amazing! They hit it out of the park all the time.

    https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/war_of_the_worlds_2025

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    I would agree that a Bond film that largely takes place on computer screens chock-full of Amazon product placement, starring Ice Cube and directed by a first time director would be the worst case scenario.

  • NoTimeToLiveNoTimeToLive Jamaica
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    bondywondy wrote: »
    Don't worry, Amazon will be amazing for Bond! Amazing! They hit it out of the park all the time.

    https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/war_of_the_worlds_2025

    On the other hand Disney made the sequel trilogy and The Acolyte, but they also made The Mandalorian and Andor. A studio is capable of making both bad and good stuff.
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    bondywondy wrote: »
    Don't worry, Amazon will be amazing for Bond! Amazing! They hit it out of the park all the time.

    https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/war_of_the_worlds_2025

    On the other hand Disney made the sequel trilogy and The Acolyte, but they also made The Mandalorian and Andor. A studio is capable of making both bad and good stuff.

    Of course. Let's not forget that the producers of CR also gave us DAD.
  • edited August 6 Posts: 11
    I do know one thing: If Amazon alienates the fanbase, they could lose more than just money. They could severely damage their reputation. They on the other hand payed billions of dollars to acquire MGM who owns the other half of Bond IP and payed another billion dollars to get creative control over Bond. If they want to make back the billions they spent, they need to do very good movies. I'm not sure if they would risk doing changes needed to upgrade Bond for Bond 26, but we will have to wait and see.
  • edited August 6 Posts: 5,692
    packadd wrote: »
    I do know one thing: If Amazon alienates the fanbase, they could lose more than just money. They could severely damage their reputation. They on the other hand payed billions of dollars to acquire MGM who owns the other half of Bond IP and payed another billion dollars to get creative control over Bond. If they want to make back the billions they spent, they need to do very good movies. I'm not sure if they would risk doing changes needed to upgrade Bond for Bond 26, but we will have to wait and see.

    I suppose the question is: what is a ‘very good movie’ in this case? Don’t get me wrong, I think one of Amazon’s tasks is creating something that ultimately feels like and is fundamentally a Bond film. They need to make the best film they can. But as has been the case throughout this franchise such a movie can come in many different forms, and another task of theirs isn’t just creating that Bond film but reinventing the character for a new era. Often there are disparances between what fans think and how these movies are received more broadly too, so to some extent I’m not sure how much it matters if some fans feel alienated, and in many cases it can’t be avoided (ie. It didn’t matter back in ‘05 that some fans took a disliking to Craig being cast and felt ‘alienated’. It’s a big fanbase with different incarnations of this character, and not all of us are going to enjoy Bond 26).
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Considering how much I've approved of their choices so far (I guess I maybe have reservations about how funny Villeneuve can be, but I have no doubt he'll make a very good film) I'm pretty prepared to be one of the fans who's a bit shocked/disappointed/confused at the casting of 007 when that comes around! :)

    That'll probably be the first time we actually get an idea of how fan-pleasing they're setting out to be: the producers and directors have all gone a few ways when it comes to that, and although I'd consider Knight's appointment to be pretty fan-pleasing (in that he's made material which is pretty Bond-adjacent in terms of content and mood) I also can't bring to mind any time he's worked on existing IP so I don't know how he'll go. When we see 007 himself I guess we'll get our first inkling of intent.
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    Yeah, obviously at the moment it’s tricky to tell what they want to do. My suspicion - right or wrong - is they’ll go more established with the casting of Bond as they’ve done with the other names. I mean this in the sense that I think it’s unlikely we’re in for an unknown actor or one with a limited CV (ie. I don’t think some tall, handsome 28 year old who’s only done theatre or British tv is going to swan in and get this role). I think they’ll want to draw off of some recognisability and even a mini fanbase of this actor, while still hiring someone who hasn’t played a major IP character previously and can still effectively become James Bond. It’s why I have an easier time believing names like Harris Dickinson, Callum Turner, even ATJ to some extent are not unlikely. With the right actor suited to the role it’s an easier way of maximising the potential for success, and even if none of them are Henry Cavill or Brad Pitt in terms of A-List names, they are more or less known actors, prestige, and Amazon I suspect would happily fork out a little more money to ensure that future profitable lead. It’s also a way for Amazon to further convey they’re taking this all seriously and want to deliver a great Bond era. No TV actors or budget models here etc. Bond is being played by a proper actor…

    I think ultimately though it’ll come down to which actor just ‘gets’ what they’re trying to do, and in theory they might explore different avenues (so who knows - perhaps that unknown 28 year old could become Bond, or that actor who’s only appeared in British tv/theatre, and with a role like Bond it could work. I can even see someone a bit more up and coming who we’ve missed/will show up in more tv/films in the next year or so getting it). But even then I have an easier time believing one of those more established actors would have more to contribute creatively in this sense. They might even already have an actor in mind and will try to convince them to take the role.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Yeah, obviously at the moment it’s tricky to tell what they want to do. My suspicion - right or wrong - is they’ll go more established with the casting of Bond as they’ve done with the other names. I mean this in the sense that I think it’s unlikely we’re in for an unknown actor or one with a limited CV (ie. I don’t think some tall, handsome 28 year old who’s only done theatre or British tv is going to swan in and get this role). I think they’ll want to draw off of some recognisability and even a mini fanbase of this actor, while still hiring someone who hasn’t played a major IP character previously and can still effectively become James Bond. It’s why I have an easier time believing names like Harris Dickinson, Callum Turner, even ATJ to some extent are not unlikely. With the right actor suited to the role it’s an easier way of maximising the potential for success, and even if none of them are Henry Cavill or Brad Pitt in terms of A-List names, they are more or less known actors, somewhat prestige, and Amazon I suspect would happily fork out a little more money to ensure that future profitable lead.

    I think ultimately though it’ll come down to which actor just ‘gets’ what they’re trying to do, and in theory they might explore different avenues (so who knows - perhaps that unknown 28 year old could become Bond, or that actor who’s only appeared in British tv/theatre, and with a role like Bond it could work). But even then I have an easier time believing one of those more established actors would have more to contribute creatively in this sense.

    I agree. Amazon will not go with an unknown (everyone learned that lesson with Lazenby which was a terrible business decision as he refused to do more films), although ironically that decision gave us arguably the best Bond film.
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    echo wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Yeah, obviously at the moment it’s tricky to tell what they want to do. My suspicion - right or wrong - is they’ll go more established with the casting of Bond as they’ve done with the other names. I mean this in the sense that I think it’s unlikely we’re in for an unknown actor or one with a limited CV (ie. I don’t think some tall, handsome 28 year old who’s only done theatre or British tv is going to swan in and get this role). I think they’ll want to draw off of some recognisability and even a mini fanbase of this actor, while still hiring someone who hasn’t played a major IP character previously and can still effectively become James Bond. It’s why I have an easier time believing names like Harris Dickinson, Callum Turner, even ATJ to some extent are not unlikely. With the right actor suited to the role it’s an easier way of maximising the potential for success, and even if none of them are Henry Cavill or Brad Pitt in terms of A-List names, they are more or less known actors, somewhat prestige, and Amazon I suspect would happily fork out a little more money to ensure that future profitable lead.

    I think ultimately though it’ll come down to which actor just ‘gets’ what they’re trying to do, and in theory they might explore different avenues (so who knows - perhaps that unknown 28 year old could become Bond, or that actor who’s only appeared in British tv/theatre, and with a role like Bond it could work). But even then I have an easier time believing one of those more established actors would have more to contribute creatively in this sense.

    I agree. Amazon will not go with an unknown (everyone learned that lesson with Lazenby which was a terrible business decision as he refused to do more films), although ironically that decision gave us arguably the best Bond film.

    The reaction they won’t want is ‘great film, weak Bond’. No one wants that, although it’d very much be an OHMSS situation. It’s not ideal though.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited August 6 Posts: 18,727
    007HallY wrote: »
    Yeah, obviously at the moment it’s tricky to tell what they want to do. My suspicion - right or wrong - is they’ll go more established with the casting of Bond as they’ve done with the other names. I mean this in the sense that I think it’s unlikely we’re in for an unknown actor or one with a limited CV (ie. I don’t think some tall, handsome 28 year old who’s only done theatre or British tv is going to swan in and get this role). I think they’ll want to draw off of some recognisability and even a mini fanbase of this actor, while still hiring someone who hasn’t played a major IP character previously and can still effectively become James Bond. It’s why I have an easier time believing names like Harris Dickinson, Callum Turner, even ATJ to some extent are not unlikely. With the right actor suited to the role it’s an easier way of maximising the potential for success, and even if none of them are Henry Cavill or Brad Pitt in terms of A-List names, they are more or less known actors, prestige, and Amazon I suspect would happily fork out a little more money to ensure that future profitable lead. It’s also a way for Amazon to further convey they’re taking this all seriously and want to deliver a great Bond era. No TV actors or budget models here etc. Bond is being played by a proper actor…

    Yes I think you're right. It's less about Cubby picking a new unknown guy to wear a tux, this is the lead in a Denis Villeneuve film, and he's pretty much always had stars in his movies. It might not be Chalamet, but I reckon it'll be someone around where he was a few years ago; good actor, has been in quality, maybe indie films- prestige as you say. Dickinson, Turner, O'Connor etc. feel in the right ballpark; I just don't think it's going to be someone off the telly who's done a straight-to-streaming SAS cheapo flick for Sky or something. I don't think he's going to look exactly like the Bond archetype, out of the Brosnan/Dalton machine tall-dark-and -handsome machine, but he'll be a good, quality actor. And we'll likely have trouble picturing him as Bond to begin with.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    It's going to be Hoult and you're all going to hate it.
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    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Yeah, obviously at the moment it’s tricky to tell what they want to do. My suspicion - right or wrong - is they’ll go more established with the casting of Bond as they’ve done with the other names. I mean this in the sense that I think it’s unlikely we’re in for an unknown actor or one with a limited CV (ie. I don’t think some tall, handsome 28 year old who’s only done theatre or British tv is going to swan in and get this role). I think they’ll want to draw off of some recognisability and even a mini fanbase of this actor, while still hiring someone who hasn’t played a major IP character previously and can still effectively become James Bond. It’s why I have an easier time believing names like Harris Dickinson, Callum Turner, even ATJ to some extent are not unlikely. With the right actor suited to the role it’s an easier way of maximising the potential for success, and even if none of them are Henry Cavill or Brad Pitt in terms of A-List names, they are more or less known actors, prestige, and Amazon I suspect would happily fork out a little more money to ensure that future profitable lead. It’s also a way for Amazon to further convey they’re taking this all seriously and want to deliver a great Bond era. No TV actors or budget models here etc. Bond is being played by a proper actor…

    Yes I think you're right. It's less about Cubby picking a new unknown guy to wear a tux, this is the lead in a Denis Villeneuve film, and he's pretty much always had stars in his movies. It might not be Chalamet, but I reckon it'll be someone around where he was a few years ago; good actor, has been in quality, maybe indie films- prestige as you say. Dickinson, Turner, O'Connor etc. feel in the right ballpark; I just don't think it's going to be someone off the telly who's done a straight-to-streaming SAS cheapo flick for Sky or something. I don't think he's going to look exactly like the Bond archetype, out of the Brosnan/Dalton machine tall-dark-and -handsome machine, but he'll be a good, quality actor. And we'll likely have trouble picturing him as Bond to begin with.

    I suppose it's also worth saying we're in the post Daniel Craig era of Bond. I don't believe the next actor will be in his shadow, but we take for granted sometimes that for all the controversy surrounding his casting, Craig was an established character actor who'd been in some high profile films and had a good bit of critical acclaim under his belt. There was this sense that Bond was being played by a high quality actor, albeit one who had the charisma of a movie star. I suppose the most comparable Bond would be Dalton in this sense, although I reckon Craig's pre-Bond output with things like Munich, Layer Cake, Tomb Raider and Road to Perdition gave him a bit more of an edge. After such a Bond it's difficult to imagine they'd downgrade to the straight to streaming SAS commando guy, or honestly even an actor who's been on a few obscure BBC shows and not much else.

    I guess another element to that is James Bond was quite starkly reinvented in Craig's era. Obviously each Bond is unique and has very noticeable differences even while playing the same character fundamentally. But another thing I think we take for granted is just how much of a shift CR and Craig's take on Bond were. While I don't think Craig was quite that distinct from the typical image of Bond as some claim, even in terms of his looks his harder edged, more rugged appearance was part of that. Bond didn't need to look like a male model. If the next actor has some sort of minor deviation from the tall dark and handsome model mould (the sort of thing we dwell upon here sometimes - bigger ears, looking a bit 'blokeish' etc) that wouldn't even be that far away from what many people recognise as James Bond anyway. Or it'd be part of another reinvention of the character, albeit one that should stay true to who Bond is.
    It's going to be Hoult and you're all going to hate it.

    Even I can't see that! Stranger things have happened though.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited August 6 Posts: 18,727
    007HallY wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Yeah, obviously at the moment it’s tricky to tell what they want to do. My suspicion - right or wrong - is they’ll go more established with the casting of Bond as they’ve done with the other names. I mean this in the sense that I think it’s unlikely we’re in for an unknown actor or one with a limited CV (ie. I don’t think some tall, handsome 28 year old who’s only done theatre or British tv is going to swan in and get this role). I think they’ll want to draw off of some recognisability and even a mini fanbase of this actor, while still hiring someone who hasn’t played a major IP character previously and can still effectively become James Bond. It’s why I have an easier time believing names like Harris Dickinson, Callum Turner, even ATJ to some extent are not unlikely. With the right actor suited to the role it’s an easier way of maximising the potential for success, and even if none of them are Henry Cavill or Brad Pitt in terms of A-List names, they are more or less known actors, prestige, and Amazon I suspect would happily fork out a little more money to ensure that future profitable lead. It’s also a way for Amazon to further convey they’re taking this all seriously and want to deliver a great Bond era. No TV actors or budget models here etc. Bond is being played by a proper actor…

    Yes I think you're right. It's less about Cubby picking a new unknown guy to wear a tux, this is the lead in a Denis Villeneuve film, and he's pretty much always had stars in his movies. It might not be Chalamet, but I reckon it'll be someone around where he was a few years ago; good actor, has been in quality, maybe indie films- prestige as you say. Dickinson, Turner, O'Connor etc. feel in the right ballpark; I just don't think it's going to be someone off the telly who's done a straight-to-streaming SAS cheapo flick for Sky or something. I don't think he's going to look exactly like the Bond archetype, out of the Brosnan/Dalton machine tall-dark-and -handsome machine, but he'll be a good, quality actor. And we'll likely have trouble picturing him as Bond to begin with.

    I suppose it's also worth saying we're in the post Daniel Craig era of Bond. I don't believe the next actor will be in his shadow, but we take for granted sometimes that for all the controversy surrounding his casting, Craig was an established character actor who'd been in some high profile films and had a good bit of critical acclaim under his belt. There was this sense that Bond was being played by a high quality actor, albeit one who had the charisma of a movie star. I suppose the most comparable Bond would be Dalton in this sense, although I reckon Craig's pre-Bond output with things like Munich, Layer Cake, Tomb Raider and Road to Perdition gave him a bit more of an edge.

    Funnily enough, I wonder if Connery might even have been the most comparable in a way, in terms of his pre-Bond work. He did a few bits of fluff like a Brit caper movie or two, and Disney leprechaun stuff, but he was also doing fairly hard-hitting dramas like Hell Drivers and proper adult plays on TV. Dalton has the reputation of being the RSC Bond, but really he was doing any old crap on TV and film: Charlie's Angels, that weird Mae West comedy film, Brenda Starr; he basically said yes to anything (although, yes, doing Taming of the Shrew in London when he got the Bond gig). Y'know: I love Dr Who, but it's perhaps not one of the most prestigious things around, and only one of the Bonds has appeared in it! :D
    007HallY wrote: »
    I guess another element to that is James Bond was quite starkly reinvented in Craig's era. Obviously each Bond is unique and has very noticeable differences even while playing the same character fundamentally. But another thing I think we take for granted is just how much of a shift CR and Craig's take on Bond were. While I don't think Craig was quite that distinct from the typical image of Bond as some claim, even in terms of his looks his harder edged, more rugged appearance was part of that. Bond didn't need to look like a male model. If the next actor has some sort of minor deviation from the tall dark and handsome model mould (the sort of thing we dwell upon here sometimes - bigger ears, looking a bit 'blokeish' etc) that wouldn't even be that far away from what many people recognise as James Bond anyway. Or it'd be part of another reinvention of the character, albeit one that should stay true to who Bond is.

    You're right, I think those who grew up with Craig as Bond will probably have less trouble with a new one not looking exactly the same as those of us who grew up thinking 007 had to look like the Milk Tray Man.
    I think Bond needs to be tough now, in a way that perhaps Pierce and Roger don't quite personify. Maybe not as doublehard as Craig was; I guess you can look at Ethan Hunt, who isn't as outwardly rugged as CraigBond, but can believably handle himself.
    It's going to be Hoult and you're all going to hate it.

    I actually don't think I'd have a problem with that.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    It's going to be Hoult and you're all going to hate it.

    He’d be one of my picks.
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    It's going to be Hoult and you're all going to hate it.

    He’d be one of my picks.

    Wouldn’t have a problem with it.
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    Hoult with the right script and direction could be amazing. But it's going to be Chalamet doing selfies in Dubai.
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