Denis Villeneuve Announced as Bond 26 Director

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  • Posts: 2,260
    Univex wrote: »
    I take it you guys mean Hollywood run of the mill films and are forgetting italian neorealism, the french nouveau vague, the epics of David Lean, Kubrick’s entire filmography, Ingmar Bergman, Hitchcock, … and all that was true cinema for a long time. But if we do mean 20 years ago, well, there was this post Matrix mania of colour filters that ruined most chances for films to be pretty. And the word “gritty” has been plaguing the last two decades. On that regard, I do agree. Maybe we’re on a renaissance of cinematic beauty.

    There are many Kubrick wannabes. Perhaps it's the film schools' fault
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    I think it's just more accessible and 'easier' to create those 'pretty' images nowadays. Telling a story visually and doing it well takes a slightly different mindset. If anything that's what a good film school tells their students, and often those young budding cinematographers/directors have had a few years of snapping and editing images on their phones and posting them on social media (not a bad thing incidentally, as I said it's just a case of being more accessible, but like any craft it's an ongoing process).
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 14 Posts: 18,640
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Seve wrote: »
    I'm not convinced, I'm sure I could find equivalents of all these parallels in many other films, if I were to spend the time looking.

    My impression is that they are familiar types of shot, that have been used on numerous occasions before across the decades, in the Thriller / Suspence / Espionage / Crime Fiction genres.

    There are also trends that make films from one era look similar.

    I once mentioned that 20 years ago, "no one" cared about cinematography in films. It was very arty.

    Now movies have to look pretty. Even if it's Mad Max ;)

    That's actually true. Even the blandest Netflix thriller now looks good and is filmed in Prague or Italy or something.

    I actually have the opposite impression. So many run-of-the-mill movies, even B or C grade, looked way better than the majority of contemporary films. I think digital filmmaking has led to a lot of sloppiness on the production side of things because there’s no longer a need to properly light things, things can just be “fixed in post”, you can just shoot a bunch of lazy coverage rather than being intentional, framing stuff with iPhones in mind, etc. So much Netflix stuff just has drab digital sheen to it.
    At the same time television budgets have gone way up, so you do get big location shooting in otherwise crappy stuff, but it’s a trade off.

    Yeah I think it's hard to say that Marvel films look good, whereas Jaws and Raiders and Lawrence of Arabia etc. all looked amazing. I think it just varies really, a certain amount have always looked good and a certain amount haven't. I think they've always tried to shoot things so they look nice, it is their job after all. But some are better than others, and styles come and go, and obviously cinematographers learn from what came before.
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    Univex wrote: »
    I take it you guys mean Hollywood run of the mill films and are forgetting italian neorealism, the french nouveau vague, the epics of David Lean, Kubrick’s entire filmography, Ingmar Bergman, Hitchcock, … and all that was true cinema for a long time. But if we do mean 20 years ago, well, there was this post Matrix mania of colour filters that ruined most chances for films to be pretty. And the word “gritty” has been plaguing the last two decades. On that regard, I do agree. Maybe we’re on a renaissance of cinematic beauty.

    There are many Kubrick wannabes. Perhaps it's the film schools' fault

    Hey, if you have to imitate, imitating the great is the way to go ;)
  • RyanRyan Canada
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    mtm wrote: »
    I like IMAX because it fits my TV screen :)
    We have this weird situation where TV went widescreen 25 years or so ago, all TV shows fitted the new screens we all bought, and then recently they've been trying to look more cinematic so have introduced black bars at the top and bottom, whereas big movies in IMAX actually fit the screen: so shows made for my TV don't fit it whereas films made for the cinema screen do!

    I think it's a shame that the Mission Impossible Fallout and subsequent films got released on home media with their IMAX scenes intact, whereas the IMAX bits of Skyfall and NTTD are never to be seen again.

    Fallout is a brilliant example of how effective the IMAX scenes are for a home viewing experience. The way the black bars just gradually open up into the IMAX framing is really cool and very cinema-like. I've seen it on other films (The Dark Knight Rises, for example) where there's just a sudden jump from black bars to no black bars.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 15 Posts: 18,640
    Yeah I love that shot in Fallout in the back of the plane as the bars expand, it does make it feel like a cinema somehow, you're right. I think they did a similar thing in Ghost Protocol for that shot as Ethan swings out to the outside of the Burj but I'm not sure (also not in IMAX on home media!).
    People said there was a good transition in Final Reckoning but I missed it as it's kind of in your peripheral vision. I'm guessing maybe the bars expanded as the water level rose in the airlock or something?
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah I love that shot in Fallout in the back of the plane as the bars expand, it does make it feel like a cinema somehow, you're right. I think they did a similar thing in Ghost Protocol for that shot as Ethan swings out to the outside of the Burj but I'm not sure (also not in IMAX on home media!).
    People said there was a good transition in Final Reckoning but I missed it as it's kind of in your peripheral vision. I'm guessing maybe the bars expanded as the water level rose in the airlock or something?

    They expanded as Ethan turned the wheel inside the airlock, which was quite clever!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Oh that's very cool, thank you.
  • edited July 16 Posts: 2,310
    Mark Kermode interviewed Barbara Broccoli and John Carney about Sing Street on his podcast Kermode on Film, and asked Broccoli briefly about Bond

    He is a fantastic film maker. I am thrilled he is going to be doing it.

    Kermode tried to get her to say a bit more but she very quickly changed the subject.

    https://podfollow.com/kermode-on-film/view

    Roughly 20 mins in.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    Posts: 2,023
    If she thinks she's going to go the rest of her life without having to answer for what she did, she's insane. And that's coming from someone who likes her.
  • edited July 16 Posts: 5,644
    Effectively she’s a silent partner for this franchise. I don’t expect her to say much in the short term, or at least not directly.

    At any rate it’ll probably be years before we get the full story of what happened.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited July 16 Posts: 3,303
    I suspect that BB's position will be the same as that of Doug Liman's re. the post-Identity Bourne films - credited as 'executive producer' for contractual reasons, but with no creative input or influence whatsoever.
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
    Posts: 2,547
    I've been told that Barbara acknowledged that NTTD's ending had been a mistake. It came from a person linked to London and the film industry.

    I replied that that had to be in private, but this person doubted and couldn't remember.

    Has anyone read something about it??
  • RyanRyan Canada
    Posts: 755
    Venutius wrote: »
    I suspect that BB's position will be the same as that of Doug Liman's re. the post-Identity Bourne films - credited as 'executive producer' for contractual reasons, but with no creative input or influence whatsoever.

    I've thought about that. Even if a somewhat meaningless credit, it'll be nice to see the "Broccoli" name somewhere in there.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    Posts: 1,170
    ggl007 wrote: »
    I've been told that Barbara acknowledged that NTTD's ending had been a mistake. It came from a person linked to London and the film industry.

    I replied that that had to be in private, but this person doubted and couldn't remember.

    Has anyone read something about it??

    Sounds like something someone made up to help them cope.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,640
    Ryan wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    I suspect that BB's position will be the same as that of Doug Liman's re. the post-Identity Bourne films - credited as 'executive producer' for contractual reasons, but with no creative input or influence whatsoever.

    I've thought about that. Even if a somewhat meaningless credit, it'll be nice to see the "Broccoli" name somewhere in there.

    It will be interesting to see if they get an exec credit. As the co-owners of the character it seems possible.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,715
    Minion wrote: »
    ggl007 wrote: »
    I've been told that Barbara acknowledged that NTTD's ending had been a mistake. It came from a person linked to London and the film industry.

    I replied that that had to be in private, but this person doubted and couldn't remember.

    Has anyone read something about it??

    Sounds like something someone made up to help them cope.

    The strongest connection I have is a friend of the Broccoli and Wilson family. I don’t know why this person would claim such a silly thing. At best it’s inaccurate. At worst they’re lying.

    @Minion is right on the money and this person made up to cope with death of Bond. I’ll guess he’s projecting onto Broccoli what he wishes she’d say.

    So silly.

    Craig-Bond has been dead for coming on four years . Time to get over it.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 9,118
    If everything goes according to plan with Dune 3, I wonder how soon Denis can start working on Bond 26? Is a July 2028 release now a possibility?
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    Posts: 858
    Fall '28 is most likely I think.
  • Posts: 282
    Fall '28 is most likely I think.

    yeah seems more likely
    peter wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    ggl007 wrote: »
    I've been told that Barbara acknowledged that NTTD's ending had been a mistake. It came from a person linked to London and the film industry.

    I replied that that had to be in private, but this person doubted and couldn't remember.

    Has anyone read something about it??

    Sounds like something someone made up to help them cope.

    The strongest connection I have is a friend of the Broccoli and Wilson family. I don’t know why this person would claim such a silly thing. At best it’s inaccurate. At worst they’re lying.

    @Minion is right on the money and this person made up to cope with death of Bond. I’ll guess he’s projecting onto Broccoli what he wishes she’d say.

    So silly.

    Craig-Bond has been dead for coming on four years . Time to get over it.

    nttd is actually growing on me interesting enough im liking it more now that I understand what they were trying to get at.
  • Posts: 457
    I think the mistake was not to kill Bond at the end of Quantum Of Solace. But then again, they killed him at the beginning of Skyfall. So there was no mistake.
  • edited July 25 Posts: 6,960
    Fall '28 is most likely I think.

    yeah seems more likely
    peter wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    ggl007 wrote: »
    I've been told that Barbara acknowledged that NTTD's ending had been a mistake. It came from a person linked to London and the film industry.

    I replied that that had to be in private, but this person doubted and couldn't remember.

    Has anyone read something about it??

    Sounds like something someone made up to help them cope.

    The strongest connection I have is a friend of the Broccoli and Wilson family. I don’t know why this person would claim such a silly thing. At best it’s inaccurate. At worst they’re lying.

    @Minion is right on the money and this person made up to cope with death of Bond. I’ll guess he’s projecting onto Broccoli what he wishes she’d say.

    So silly.

    Craig-Bond has been dead for coming on four years . Time to get over it.

    nttd is actually growing on me interesting enough im liking it more now that I understand what they were trying to get at.

    You know what? For me too, in the sense that it never bothered me that they had killed Bond. The writing of some characters, namely Blofeld and the dynamic of Bond with Malory, and the daughter thing, these elements bother me more. Even today. Much more than Bond dying.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited July 25 Posts: 5,111
    Univex wrote: »
    Fall '28 is most likely I think.

    yeah seems more likely
    peter wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    ggl007 wrote: »
    I've been told that Barbara acknowledged that NTTD's ending had been a mistake. It came from a person linked to London and the film industry.

    I replied that that had to be in private, but this person doubted and couldn't remember.

    Has anyone read something about it??

    Sounds like something someone made up to help them cope.

    The strongest connection I have is a friend of the Broccoli and Wilson family. I don’t know why this person would claim such a silly thing. At best it’s inaccurate. At worst they’re lying.

    @Minion is right on the money and this person made up to cope with death of Bond. I’ll guess he’s projecting onto Broccoli what he wishes she’d say.

    So silly.

    Craig-Bond has been dead for coming on four years . Time to get over it.

    nttd is actually growing on me interesting enough im liking it more now that I understand what they were trying to get at.

    You know what? For me too, in the sense that it never bothered me that they had killed Bond. The writing of some characters, namely Blofeld and the dynamic of Bond with Malory, and the daughter thing, these elements bother me more. Even today. Much more than Bond dying.

    This is why I think Ralph Fiennes and Blofeld should come back. There is a chance that their portrayals could be better written. And knowing Villeneuve, he's going to possibly direct an ensemble piece. Like Sam Mendes, he might want to play around with Bond's biggest baddie.

    Plus, as of now, Fiennes isn't attached to any long term franchises. He deserves a second chance.
  • Posts: 6,960
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    Fall '28 is most likely I think.

    yeah seems more likely
    peter wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    ggl007 wrote: »
    I've been told that Barbara acknowledged that NTTD's ending had been a mistake. It came from a person linked to London and the film industry.

    I replied that that had to be in private, but this person doubted and couldn't remember.

    Has anyone read something about it??

    Sounds like something someone made up to help them cope.

    The strongest connection I have is a friend of the Broccoli and Wilson family. I don’t know why this person would claim such a silly thing. At best it’s inaccurate. At worst they’re lying.

    @Minion is right on the money and this person made up to cope with death of Bond. I’ll guess he’s projecting onto Broccoli what he wishes she’d say.

    So silly.

    Craig-Bond has been dead for coming on four years . Time to get over it.

    nttd is actually growing on me interesting enough im liking it more now that I understand what they were trying to get at.

    You know what? For me too, in the sense that it never bothered me that they had killed Bond. The writing of some characters, namely Blofeld and the dynamic of Bond with Malory, and the daughter thing, these elements bother me more. Even today. Much more than Bond dying.

    This is why I think Ralph Fiennes and Blofeld should come back. There is a chance that their portrayals could be better written. And knowing Villeneuve, he's going to possibly direct an ensemble piece. Like Sam Mendes, he might want to play around with Bond's biggest baddie.

    Plus, as of now, Fiennes isn't attached to any long term franchises. He deserves a second chance.

    Fiennes is the only one I’d like to see come back.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    edited July 26 Posts: 710
    I'd prefer to see Fiennes come back as a villain, it's what he's best at

    Amon Göth (Schindler's List):
    Fiennes' portrayal of the cruel and sadistic SS officer Amon Göth is chilling and deeply disturbing. He received critical acclaim for his performance, which helped establish him as a prominent actor.

    Lord Voldemort (Harry Potter series):
    As the primary antagonist in the Harry Potter franchise, Voldemort is a powerful and evil wizard seeking to dominate the wizarding world. Fiennes' performance as Voldemort is characterized by his cold and menacing presence, and he is widely recognized for his portrayal of the character.

    Francis Dolarhyde (Red Dragon):
    Fiennes plays the complex and disturbed character of Francis Dolarhyde, a serial killer driven by a dark fantasy. His performance in Red Dragon is both unsettling and compelling.

    Harry Waters (In Bruges):
    Fiennes plays a hitman who is sent to Bruges to carry out a job, but the film explores themes of guilt and morality, making his character more nuanced than a simple villain.

    Chef Julian Slowik (The Menu)
    In the midst of the dinner, Fiennes' character, Chef Slowik, discloses that each person will die by the end of the night. Fiennes is able to hold a rather calm demeanor during the murders and brutal stabbings in this film. The sheer desire to see each individual die at his hands earns his role a top spot on the villainous scale.

    Coriolanus
    While his acting is often praised for its intensity and commitment, critics have noted issues with clarity and pacing, particularly in the delivery of Shakespearean dialogue. Some find his interpretation of the character to be overly angry and contemptuous, potentially losing some of the complexity and nuance of the original text.

    Hades (Clash of the Titans)
    The storyline naturally calls for a menacing villain, but Fiennes is able to deliver a truly cruel and unfeeling individual. From the cold, dead look in his eyes to the way he is able to ignite fear without raising his raspy voice, these subtle things are what separates a good actor from a great one.

    Professor James Moriarty (Holmes & Watson)
    Among the intentionally silly acting, Fiennes, playing Professor James Moriarty, is able to bring a darker air to his role as the villain. Though it is hard to take much seriously in this film, Fiennes is able to create a confident and intimidating character.

    Ramses (The Prince of Egypt)
    Understanding that he needed to portray a cruel ruler, he found a way to convey anger without yelling. By projecting his deep voice and enhancing a serious tone, Fiennes creates a rather frightening villain in this DreamWorks production.
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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    M was actually supposed to be a twist-villain in Spectre, but Fiennes convinced them not to do such thing.
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    M was actually supposed to be a twist-villain in Spectre, but Fiennes convinced them not to do such thing.

    I'm glad he did. It would have been a mistake.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,715
    Ludovico wrote: »
    M was actually supposed to be a twist-villain in Spectre, but Fiennes convinced them not to do such thing.

    I'm glad he did. It would have been a mistake.

    Agreed, as bringing him back as M would be too, IMO.

    Bond 1/26 should be all new creatives in producers, writers, directors and casts.

    However, I’d try and bring back *some* of the Heads of Departments from the latter-EoN days (Production Designers/Art Directors, casting (alas, it seems this won’t happen), Hair and Make-Up, Costumes/Wardrobe, Sound, Post-Production), the unsung heroes who make a Bond film *feel* like a Bond film.
  • Posts: 15,927
    peter wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    M was actually supposed to be a twist-villain in Spectre, but Fiennes convinced them not to do such thing.

    I'm glad he did. It would have been a mistake.

    Agreed, as bringing him back as M would be too, IMO.

    Bond 1/26 should be all new creatives in producers, writers, directors and casts.

    However, I’d try and bring back *some* of the Heads of Departments from the latter-EoN days (Production Designers/Art Directors, casting (alas, it seems this won’t happen), Hair and Make-Up, Costumes/Wardrobe, Sound, Post-Production), the unsung heroes who make a Bond film *feel* like a Bond film.

    I think of all the cast from the previous era, Fiennes has the best chance to come back. I actually wouldn't be surprised. Whether or not it's a good idea is a different debate, but I must say I really like him as an actor.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,882
    M was actually supposed to be a twist-villain in Spectre, but Fiennes convinced them not to do such thing.

    That would have been a bit too The Prisoner for me, TBH.
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