Best and worst case scenario for the Amazon Bond

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  • Posts: 2,192
    echo wrote: »
    Agreed. OHMSS somehow captured lighting in a bottle, and I get why many fans including me wish that Eon had continued in that direction instead of DAF, which financially saved but creatively kind of derailed the series.

    But part of OHMSS' stature is the missed opportunity, not only of Bond and Tracy but also the meta missed opportunity of a better creative direction.

    I think that creative direction is more a wish than anything else. The best novels had already been adapted.

    We'd probably have Lazenby doing things like LALD. All action, no substance.

  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited June 7 Posts: 6,834
    I agree somewhat, but in the '70s there could have been a more faithful LALD and MR. After that, the well would run dry and they'd have to grapple with the weaknesses of the novels DAF and TMWTGG.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,593
    echo wrote: »
    Agreed. OHMSS somehow captured lighting in a bottle, and I get why many fans including me wish that Eon had continued in that direction instead of DAF, which financially saved but creatively kind of derailed the series.

    But part of OHMSS' stature is the missed opportunity, not only of Bond and Tracy but also the meta missed opportunity of a better creative direction.

    The 'creative direction' of the Bond films was never really a consideration. Cubby and Harry were concerned with putting a big slab of entertainment on the screen that would make lots of money and fund the next one.
    There was no consideration for future generations having easy access to these films, analysing them frame by frame, listing the goofs, noticing actors who played different roles in a Bond film four years prior etc. They were the entertainment equivalent of fast food. Enjoyed for an evening and forgotten thereafter.
    The fact some directors took pride in their work and fashioned a great film with enduring appeal was merely a bonus. For Cubby getting Sean Connery on board for DAF and scoring at the box office big time made DAF a more successful and satisfying film than OHMSS. For him.
    LALD took all the elements from the past decade that Cubby and Harry felt were the sure fire winners and pumped them up. And, for a few years at least Bond still had no competition to worry about and the films were able to feel their way into the new decade on good will and past glories.
  • billqsbillqs Birmingham, AL
    Posts: 8
    Best case scenario- Amazon hires someone with a solid head on their shoulders who really understands the genre. Phoebe Waller-Bridge for example did wonderful work on Killing Eve's first season and was one of the writers on the last Bond. Whoever it is, needs some creative freedom to work.

    Worst case scenario= Amazon plays it "safe" and makes Bond very bland and vanilla.

    As for "woke", who knows? It didn't really change anything that the current Q was gay or that Moneypenny was black, did it? Dame Judi Dench is just as emblematic playing M as Bernard Lee was. I just hope they keep Bond's character intact. Bond is as much antihero as hero, and this is on purpose. If they can keep that core, I think it could work.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,545
    I'm resigned to the films never capturing the magic and true "feeling' of James Bond movies that I love and eagerly awaited. Why? Simply because EON are out.

    I am hopeful people Amazon puts in charge will be respectful of the former films, the entire legacy of Bond - and that they can and hopefully will give us good, maybe even very good, movies starring that character James Bond. I do hope so! Great action, good looking actors, a decent script, etc.

    But I don't think the new films will feel truly "right" to me without someone in Cubby's family involved. Looking forward to the next one, totally new, but ... my heart tells me the truly golden era is finished. I won't look forward to them in quite the same way. Even if wonderful; it's a subtle difference for me.

    Will there be a gun barrel? No idea. Will there be a theme song? Yes. Will there be amazing stunts? Yes. Will there be an M? I think so. But it will be more of an exciting action/spy movie for me, instead of the very special cocktail that was James Bond (in movies) that were such a part of my life. These are just my personal feelings; not looking to debate/argue, etc.
  • Posts: 451
    If they get Sean... Sean Baker, that is, they may have a chance of igniting a new fantastic era.
  • edited June 27 Posts: 6,898
    Sean Baker is an overrated director who will soon be forgotten, IMVHO, of course.

    Denis Villeneuve will stay in History as one of the great, that one is not an opinion ;)
  • Posts: 451
    Agree. I just thought a director named Sean could have been cool.
  • anyoneanyone Scotland
    Posts: 28
    Star Wars episodes 7, 8, and 9 here we come....... but I really hope not. Will they keep the feel? Mind you compare QOS with say DAF - I don't know what to say on that now that I've just written it.
    But if you sanitise the books somehow you'll sanitise the films. And there will be different behind the scenes dynamics pushing and pulling - a different set of push and pull as you'd have inside EON.
    Everything or Nothing - does that mean we've had our 'Everything'? Oops its all getting worse.

    How about one intruiging little ultimate - imagine a re-imagined Bond series where he is more 'detective', rock solid true to the books, set in the 50s, black and white, almost a film noir style but with real character depth (check out BBCs SSGB?). That could be good.
  • Posts: 520
    After seeing that "official" shortlist for Bond casting I have to say that the worst case scenario for me is hiring Tom Holland as Bond, what a terrible miscasting that would be. I know Amazon is less likely to hire a complete unknown because they want to be assured the films will be profitable, but please ANYBODY but him.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 4,399
    Bond wrote: »
    After seeing that "official" shortlist for Bond casting I have to say that the worst case scenario for me is hiring Tom Holland as Bond, what a terrible miscasting that would be. I know Amazon is less likely to hire a complete unknown because they want to be assured the films will be profitable, but please ANYBODY but him.

    God no! I don't even like him as Spider-man..!!!
  • Posts: 207
    Amazon have now spend a hell of a lot of money so they can make James
    Bond wrote: »
    After seeing that "official" shortlist for Bond casting I have to say that the worst case scenario for me is hiring Tom Holland as Bond, what a terrible miscasting that would be. I know Amazon is less likely to hire a complete unknown because they want to be assured the films will be profitable, but please ANYBODY but him.

    TOM HOLLAND! 🤭😂🤣 A 5ft 6" boy (I know he's 29 but he looks 12) as James Bond is such an obviously bad idea that I'm sure Amazon have already signed him up for 5 movies! Barbara Broccoli said Amazon were f**kin' idiots, so you can't say she didn't warn us.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,445
    Bond wrote: »
    After seeing that "official" shortlist for Bond casting I have to say that the worst case scenario for me is hiring Tom Holland as Bond, what a terrible miscasting that would be. I know Amazon is less likely to hire a complete unknown because they want to be assured the films will be profitable, but please ANYBODY but him.

    God no! I don't even like him as Spider-man..!!!

    Oh really? I do think he's a good Spider Man, but it's kind of amazing how he can't seem to make a film which does well when he's not playing Peter Parker.
  • Posts: 2,192
    Bond wrote: »
    After seeing that "official" shortlist for Bond casting I have to say that the worst case scenario for me is hiring Tom Holland as Bond, what a terrible miscasting that would be. I know Amazon is less likely to hire a complete unknown because they want to be assured the films will be profitable, but please ANYBODY but him.

    God no! I don't even like him as Spider-man..!!!

    I don't like him as Spiderman either.

    Worst case scenario is Holland and Zendaya together (she worked with Villeneuve...)
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