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  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited May 4 Posts: 25,978
    The 15th is acting in a way no other Doctor would, in the past the Doctor would try to save even his worst enemies. The 15th is very quick to condem and have zero remorse.

    When the main antagonist in episode one of this series no longer existed the 15th Doctor was gleeful, did a high kick and shouted Queen. In the past the Doctor tried to save the Master and the Daleks to name a few despite them committing terrible atrocities.

    If it were possible for my eyes to vomit after reading that, they would.

    I have some spare unopened eye washes I use for hayfever. I wish I was joking about that scene.

    In The Lucky Day that aired last night the Doctor also made zero effort to try to reason with the antagonist of the story. Admittedly other than Ruby the rest of the main characters were doing questionable things.

  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited May 10 Posts: 25,978
    The Story and the Engine had potential though the writing is a muddled mess.

    The Doctor is actually trying to save people which is rare for this era so I will give them that.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 10 Posts: 18,254
    The 15th is acting in a way no other Doctor would, in the past the Doctor would try to save even his worst enemies. The 15th is very quick to condem and have zero remorse.

    When the main antagonist in episode one of this series no longer existed the 15th Doctor was gleeful, did a high kick and shouted Queen. In the past the Doctor tried to save the Master and the Daleks to name a few despite them committing terrible atrocities.

    If it were possible for my eyes to vomit after reading that, they would.

    I have some spare unopened eye washes I use for hayfever. I wish I was joking about that scene.

    In The Lucky Day that aired last night the Doctor also made zero effort to try to reason with the antagonist of the story. Admittedly other than Ruby the rest of the main characters were doing questionable things.

    He was a murderer and betrayed the Doctor’s best friend; Pertwee disintegrated Ogrons for less. Letting the guy stay in prison is hardly evil- bear in mind the Doctor wasn’t actually there, how was he supposed to reason with him? You’ll have no answer. I didn’t love that ep but I thought it was a rather excellent take on internet liars, the kind which can’t be reasoned with, ironically.
    There’s some weird false equivalences going on here.

    I think this series has been very strong so far, not the best but no bad ones. No idea what you mean about a high kick.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited May 10 Posts: 25,978
    mtm wrote: »
    The 15th is acting in a way no other Doctor would, in the past the Doctor would try to save even his worst enemies. The 15th is very quick to condem and have zero remorse.

    When the main antagonist in episode one of this series no longer existed the 15th Doctor was gleeful, did a high kick and shouted Queen. In the past the Doctor tried to save the Master and the Daleks to name a few despite them committing terrible atrocities.

    If it were possible for my eyes to vomit after reading that, they would.

    I have some spare unopened eye washes I use for hayfever. I wish I was joking about that scene.

    In The Lucky Day that aired last night the Doctor also made zero effort to try to reason with the antagonist of the story. Admittedly other than Ruby the rest of the main characters were doing questionable things.

    He was a murderer and betrayed the Doctor’s best friend; Pertwee disintegrated Ogrons for less. Letting the guy stay in prison is hardly evil- bear in mind the Doctor wasn’t actually there, how was he supposed to reason with him? You’ll have no answer. I didn’t love that ep but I thought it was a rather excellent take on internet liars, the kind which can’t be reasoned with, ironically.
    There’s some weird false equivalences going on here.

    I think this series has been very strong so far, not the best but no bad ones. No idea what you mean about a high kick.

    I am happy you think this series has been very strong so far, it's clearly a roaring success.
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    For UK fans of Doctor Who the channel U&Eden are showing episodes of the Pertwee era.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 15,179
    Been enjoying the series thus far - I wouldn't say the bar is low at all, as stated up thread. I kinda wish they'd give this Doctor some weird little quirk (Jodie didn't get that either did she?), and I'm hoping he finds a signature outfit, maybe lean into one of the brown jackets a bit more. Ncuti wears a lot of orange and brown here and maybe that's what they're going for in terms of an iconic look to remember him by. Enjoying Unleashed too - it's all on YouTube.

    Current ranking:

    1. The Well
    2. Lux
    3. Lucky Day
    4. The Robot Revolution
    5. Joy to the World
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    Posts: 25,978
    QBranch wrote: »
    Been enjoying the series thus far - I wouldn't say the bar is low at all, as stated up thread. I kinda wish they'd give this Doctor some weird little quirk (Jodie didn't get that either did she?), and I'm hoping he finds a signature outfit, maybe lean into one of the brown jackets a bit more. Ncuti wears a lot of orange and brown here and maybe that's what they're going for in terms of an iconic look to remember him by. Enjoying Unleashed too - it's all on YouTube.

    Current ranking:

    1. The Well
    2. Lux
    3. Lucky Day
    4. The Robot Revolution
    5. Joy to the World

    The Well was good and for Millie Gibson's acting Lucky Day was elevated.
  • Posts: 6,169
    mtm wrote: »

    He was a murderer and betrayed the Doctor’s best friend; Pertwee disintegrated Ogrons for less.

    And Colin did quite a few murders as well : "Vengeance on Varos" (two guards plunged in acid), "The Two Doctors" (one villain poisoned with cyanide), "Terror fo the Vervoids" (the whole Vervoid race made to suffer "autumn). Not to mention what McCoy did to Skaro in "Remembrance of the Daleks". Some incarnations of the Doctor have been quite bloodthirsty.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 14,188
    I'm not going to let my boi 7 take the rap for Skaro. The destruction of Skaro's sun, as well as the planet itself, that's on Davros. I'll fight anyone who says otherwise.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 11 Posts: 18,254
    The Doctor programmed the Hand to destroy Skaro, please tell me you got that.
    Gerard wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »

    He was a murderer and betrayed the Doctor’s best friend; Pertwee disintegrated Ogrons for less.

    And Colin did quite a few murders as well : "Vengeance on Varos" (two guards plunged in acid), "The Two Doctors" (one villain poisoned with cyanide), "Terror fo the Vervoids" (the whole Vervoid race made to suffer "autumn). Not to mention what McCoy did to Skaro in "Remembrance of the Daleks". Some incarnations of the Doctor have been quite bloodthirsty.

    Yeah exactly, it’s weird isn’t it. The Doctor routinely vanquished their enemies, and I’ve never heard any complaint about that; twenty years ago he was ‘a no second chances kind of guy’ and sent Sycorax falling to their deaths etc. but suddenly internet people think the internet troll character was worthy of sympathy, bit rum that.
    As for the idea this Doctor doesn’t show sympathy to those he fights, well last night’s episode proves that wrong, as does Space Babies, Dot & Bubble, Rogue etc. As I said, they have no answer, and much like that character, go on saying the same things regardless. And some people who don’t even watch the show gleefully mop up anything negative about it without question.
    QBranch wrote: »
    Been enjoying the series thus far - I wouldn't say the bar is low at all, as stated up thread. I kinda wish they'd give this Doctor some weird little quirk (Jodie didn't get that either did she?), and I'm hoping he finds a signature outfit, maybe lean into one of the brown jackets a bit more. Ncuti wears a lot of orange and brown here and maybe that's what they're going for in terms of an iconic look to remember him by. Enjoying Unleashed too - it's all on YouTube.

    Current ranking:

    1. The Well
    2. Lux
    3. Lucky Day
    4. The Robote Revolution
    5. Joy to the World

    Ooh bit low on Joy for me, I’d pop that much higher! :)
    He does have a default look: the long leather coat is kind of his main costume even if the shirts and accessories change.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 14,188
    mtm wrote: »
    The Doctor programmed the Hand to destroy Skaro, please tell me you got that.

    Yes, I got that. But again, it was Davros that activated it.

    A more fitting example, might be the Doctor being ready and willing to smash in the skull of a caveman, until Ian stopped him.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 11 Posts: 18,254
    mtm wrote: »
    The Doctor programmed the Hand to destroy Skaro, please tell me you got that.

    Yes, I got that. But again, it was Davros that activated it.

    So if you sabotage someone's gun to go off in their face, if they aim it at a squirrel and pull the trigger and their face gets blown off, it's their fault. Uh-huh. Good luck in the courts with that one! :))

    Regardless, it's another good example of the Doctor not trying to sympathise with or help the baddie, something people objected to him doing again last week for some reason. And which, I repeat, sympathising and helping the baddie is something he did do in yesterday's episode. And it's something this version of the Doctor has consistently done in his time onscreen so far.
    A more fitting example, might be the Doctor being ready and willing to smash in the skull of a caveman, until Ian stopped him.

    Yep, yet another good example. Curious people suddenly think it's something only Doctor 15 ever did, isn't it? And he's never tried to smash anyone's skull in either.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited May 11 Posts: 14,188
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    The Doctor programmed the Hand to destroy Skaro, please tell me you got that.

    Yes, I got that. But again, it was Davros that activated it.

    So if you sabotage someone's gun to go off in their face, if they aim it at a squirrel and pull the trigger and their face gets blown off, it's their fault. Uh-huh. Good luck in the courts with that one! :))

    squirrel-shocked.gif

    What's the humble squirrel done to deserve being lumped in with Davros? At the end of the day.... this is Davros we're talking about. So I personally don't have an issue with how the Doctor manipulated him into using the Hand Of Omega. This is the ends justifies the means version of the Doctor afterall. Though I do think the 3rd Doctor didn't have to shot that one Ogron, so maybe it's a bit of my 7th Doctor leaning bias creeping in.
    mtm wrote: »
    A more fitting example, might be the Doctor being ready and willing to smash in the skull of a caveman, until Ian stopped him.

    Yep, yet another good example. Curious people suddenly think it's something only Doctor 15 ever did, isn't it? And he's never tried to smash anyone's skull in either.

    You're guess is as good as mine. I can't speak for anyone else. Though I haven't seen the episode in question, I don't have an issue with the Doctor killing villains.

    EDIT
    Another example just came to mind, the 6th Doctor going Charles Bronson on the Cybermen in the Tardis.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,254
    He didn't even kill this guy, he left him in prison. There are episodes where I do think he's gone too far and it's felt off (Dinosaurs on a Spaceship ended with that and it felt out of character) but this really wasn't one of them. The guy was a murderer and he got sent to prison; I don't want the Doctor deciding he shouldn't be there, that's not his role. Such an odd complaint.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 17 Posts: 18,254
    Absolutely loved today's one, a big expansive adventure doing stuff only Dr Who can do. Terrific stuff.
    And the baddies were called Wyn and Kidd! :D
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
    Posts: 590
    mtm wrote: »
    Absolutely loved today's one, a big expansive adventure doing stuff only Dr Who can do. Terrific stuff.
    And the baddies were called Wyn and Kidd! :D

    Have three to catch up with.
  • Posts: 6,169
    With everything that happened in this episode, I'm sure it will be one of the most talked about in the season. If I had guessed the identity of Mrs. Flood (I have no merit, really, everybody had guessed it), the appearance of
    Susan
    took me really by surprise. The dark side of the Doctor was again in full view here, and there were quite a few punch in the gut moments. Oh, and a call to Mr. Murray Gold (if he reads this forum) : I want all the songs on a CD. Pretty please ?
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited May 22 Posts: 25,978
    The Interstellar Song Contest Worst Doctor Who episode, the writing and acting were horrendous.

    The cameo I wish had happened in the Capaldi era, great to see that individual again.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    Posts: 25,978
    According to reports the BBC have sacked Ncuti, probably departed with mutual consent. The show will dissappear for a while now surely after this poor era.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited May 23 Posts: 14,188
    Just saw the rumour and it seems to be spreading like wildfires. Lots of spin in both directions. I hope the show doesn't get cancelled, but it wouldn't come as a surprise at this point. The show isn't even beyond being salvaged, but the current powers that be won't do it, as in their minds, they haven't made any mistakes.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    Posts: 25,978
    Just saw the rumour and it seems to be spreading like wildfires. Lots of spin in both directions. I hope the show doesn't get cancelled, but it wouldn't come as a surprise at this point. The show isn't even beyond being salvaged, but the current powers that be won't do it, as in their minds, they haven't made any mistakes.

    I just dont want the show to carry on in this current direction, a break and hopefully getting a show runner who wants to tell stories and not preach may take charge a few years down the line.

    I was tempted to watch a showing of Doctor Who last two episodes at a showing close to where I am though thought better off it, despite this season being poor watching DW in the cinema would have been a novelty.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 23 Posts: 18,254
    Just saw the rumour and it seems to be spreading like wildfires. Lots of spin in both directions. I hope the show doesn't get cancelled, but it wouldn't come as a surprise at this point. The show isn't even beyond being salvaged, but the current powers that be won't do it, as in their minds, they haven't made any mistakes.

    Who says they have? YouTube people?

    The reports that he's been sacked because he wouldn't do Eurovision sound like absolute nonsense, coming from the same newspaper which told us Aaron Taylor Johnson shot his 007 gunbarrel a couple of years ago.
    I think there's a decent chance he's leaving next week, but they haven't written, shot, edited, added effects to etc. a new ending to that episode in the space of a week. That's fantasy.
    According to reports the BBC have sacked Ncuti, probably departed with mutual consent. The show will dissappear for a while now surely after this poor era.

    Well they haven't been shooting any episodes so we know there's a break. This Mirror article (written by someone who actually has a very good track record with these things) gives a decent idea on what's likely to happen:
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/doctor-whos-next-two-series-35238617
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited May 23 Posts: 14,188
    mtm wrote: »
    Just saw the rumour and it seems to be spreading like wildfires. Lots of spin in both directions. I hope the show doesn't get cancelled, but it wouldn't come as a surprise at this point. The show isn't even beyond being salvaged, but the current powers that be won't do it, as in their minds, they haven't made any mistakes.

    Who says they have? YouTube people?

    The reports that he's been sacked because he wouldn't do Eurovision sound like absolute nonsense, coming from the same newspaper which told us Aaron Taylor Johnson shot his 007 gunbarrel a couple of years ago.
    I think there's a decent chance he's leaving next week, but they haven't written, shot, edited, added effects to etc. a new ending to that episode in the space of a week. That's fantasy.

    You're preaching to the choir.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,254
    So they haven’t made any mistakes? I agree, mainly.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited May 24 Posts: 25,978
    Wish World was out there, arguably best episode of this era, still had a lot of nonsense.

    One scene and reveal was pretty awesome as a DW fan, I rewound that scene a few times, I felt like I was watching DW.

    The
    Rani
    and Ruby great acting, both talented actresses and carry this.

    Please please cast
    Peter Davidson as Omega
    [-O<
  • edited May 24 Posts: 545
    No filming has begun on a 2026 series.

    Gatwa has reportedly quit/been fired so the future of Doctor Who uncertain.

    Personally, I'd welcome the BBC go commercial and maybe fund future DW via subscription and ad revenue. The current series has had the lowest overnight ratings ever and apparently the combined iPlayer/overnights totals not good. The BBC may cancel the show but phrase it as "on hiatus." Even if the show does continue I'll be surprised if RTD is still in charge. Many fans blame him for the show's woke agenda.

    As they say "go woke, go broke."

    Hopefully Amazon take heed when making Bond 26. Don't reinvent Bond too much.
  • edited May 24 Posts: 5,407
    From what I understand it's the rags saying he's been fired, and the BBC have said it's not the case, even if he leaves in the near future. I presume even in that case he'd still need to stay for at least a series to get cast a new actor and do a regeneration? I guess there's also Disney making a decision on a new series or something? Although even that doesn't seem to be definitive of anything. No idea...

    To be honest, from the handful of episodes I've seen of his (and by the way, it's more than I've seen from the last few Doctors/since Tennent) I think this show needs a good shake up anyway. I don't think the way they're making these episodes nowadays/even just with viewer habits alone will result in consistent viewers or even a great viewing experience.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,254
    I didn't love this week's one, it didn't quite take off for me. It was all set up for next week's but just wasn't quite my cup of tea. Interested to see where it goes though.

    bondywondy wrote: »
    No filming has begun on a 2026 series.

    Gatwa has reportedly quit/been fired so the future of Doctor Who uncertain.

    Personally, I'd welcome the BBC go commercial and maybe fund future DW via subscription and ad revenue. The current series has had the lowest overnight ratings ever and apparently the combined iPlayer/overnights totals not good. The BBC may cancel the show but phrase it as "on hiatus." Even if the show does continue I'll be surprised if RTD is still in charge. Many fans blame him for the show's woke agenda.

    As they say "go woke, go broke."

    Oops, you said 'woke'! :)) The magic word which devalues everything that's been said.

    Read The Mirror article I posted, it gives a realistic outlook on the show's future. It does have low ratings, but actually compare it with all of the other shows on telly: all ratings are down. They're about half a million down on this time last year across the board, TV is changing. Dr Who is still a relatively strong performer- last week it was BBC One's third most watched show on Saturday behind the FA Cup final and Eurovision. That's not a disaster no matter how you look at it.
  • edited May 24 Posts: 545
    Well that's a more positive spin on it. 😉

    The Rani has returned! Bi Rani! Two for the price of one.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited May 24 Posts: 25,978
    I watched The Girl Who Waited yesterday, what an episode, we were blessed as DW fans during that period. The end of that episode is a gut punch.

    Season 6 is very good I just think Moffat completely dropped the ball with The Wedding of River Song.
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