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  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited May 4 Posts: 25,888
    The 15th is acting in a way no other Doctor would, in the past the Doctor would try to save even his worst enemies. The 15th is very quick to condem and have zero remorse.

    When the main antagonist in episode one of this series no longer existed the 15th Doctor was gleeful, did a high kick and shouted Queen. In the past the Doctor tried to save the Master and the Daleks to name a few despite them committing terrible atrocities.

    If it were possible for my eyes to vomit after reading that, they would.

    I have some spare unopened eye washes I use for hayfever. I wish I was joking about that scene.

    In The Lucky Day that aired last night the Doctor also made zero effort to try to reason with the antagonist of the story. Admittedly other than Ruby the rest of the main characters were doing questionable things.

  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited May 10 Posts: 25,888
    The Story and the Engine had potential though the writing is a muddled mess.

    The Doctor is actually trying to save people which is rare for this era so I will give them that.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 10 Posts: 17,984
    The 15th is acting in a way no other Doctor would, in the past the Doctor would try to save even his worst enemies. The 15th is very quick to condem and have zero remorse.

    When the main antagonist in episode one of this series no longer existed the 15th Doctor was gleeful, did a high kick and shouted Queen. In the past the Doctor tried to save the Master and the Daleks to name a few despite them committing terrible atrocities.

    If it were possible for my eyes to vomit after reading that, they would.

    I have some spare unopened eye washes I use for hayfever. I wish I was joking about that scene.

    In The Lucky Day that aired last night the Doctor also made zero effort to try to reason with the antagonist of the story. Admittedly other than Ruby the rest of the main characters were doing questionable things.

    He was a murderer and betrayed the Doctor’s best friend; Pertwee disintegrated Ogrons for less. Letting the guy stay in prison is hardly evil- bear in mind the Doctor wasn’t actually there, how was he supposed to reason with him? You’ll have no answer. I didn’t love that ep but I thought it was a rather excellent take on internet liars, the kind which can’t be reasoned with, ironically.
    There’s some weird false equivalences going on here.

    I think this series has been very strong so far, not the best but no bad ones. No idea what you mean about a high kick.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited May 10 Posts: 25,888
    mtm wrote: »
    The 15th is acting in a way no other Doctor would, in the past the Doctor would try to save even his worst enemies. The 15th is very quick to condem and have zero remorse.

    When the main antagonist in episode one of this series no longer existed the 15th Doctor was gleeful, did a high kick and shouted Queen. In the past the Doctor tried to save the Master and the Daleks to name a few despite them committing terrible atrocities.

    If it were possible for my eyes to vomit after reading that, they would.

    I have some spare unopened eye washes I use for hayfever. I wish I was joking about that scene.

    In The Lucky Day that aired last night the Doctor also made zero effort to try to reason with the antagonist of the story. Admittedly other than Ruby the rest of the main characters were doing questionable things.

    He was a murderer and betrayed the Doctor’s best friend; Pertwee disintegrated Ogrons for less. Letting the guy stay in prison is hardly evil- bear in mind the Doctor wasn’t actually there, how was he supposed to reason with him? You’ll have no answer. I didn’t love that ep but I thought it was a rather excellent take on internet liars, the kind which can’t be reasoned with, ironically.
    There’s some weird false equivalences going on here.

    I think this series has been very strong so far, not the best but no bad ones. No idea what you mean about a high kick.

    I am happy you think this series has been very strong so far, it's clearly a roaring success.
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  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 15,047
    Been enjoying the series thus far - I wouldn't say the bar is low at all, as stated up thread. I kinda wish they'd give this Doctor some weird little quirk (Jodie didn't get that either did she?), and I'm hoping he finds a signature outfit, maybe lean into one of the brown jackets a bit more. Ncuti wears a lot of orange and brown here and maybe that's what they're going for in terms of an iconic look to remember him by. Enjoying Unleashed too - it's all on YouTube.

    Current ranking:

    1. The Well
    2. Lux
    3. Lucky Day
    4. The Robot Revolution
    5. Joy to the World
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    Posts: 25,888
    QBranch wrote: »
    Been enjoying the series thus far - I wouldn't say the bar is low at all, as stated up thread. I kinda wish they'd give this Doctor some weird little quirk (Jodie didn't get that either did she?), and I'm hoping he finds a signature outfit, maybe lean into one of the brown jackets a bit more. Ncuti wears a lot of orange and brown here and maybe that's what they're going for in terms of an iconic look to remember him by. Enjoying Unleashed too - it's all on YouTube.

    Current ranking:

    1. The Well
    2. Lux
    3. Lucky Day
    4. The Robot Revolution
    5. Joy to the World

    The Well was good and for Millie Gibson's acting Lucky Day was elevated.
  • Posts: 6,138
    mtm wrote: »

    He was a murderer and betrayed the Doctor’s best friend; Pertwee disintegrated Ogrons for less.

    And Colin did quite a few murders as well : "Vengeance on Varos" (two guards plunged in acid), "The Two Doctors" (one villain poisoned with cyanide), "Terror fo the Vervoids" (the whole Vervoid race made to suffer "autumn). Not to mention what McCoy did to Skaro in "Remembrance of the Daleks". Some incarnations of the Doctor have been quite bloodthirsty.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 14,155
    I'm not going to let my boi 7 take the rap for Skaro. The destruction of Skaro's sun, as well as the planet itself, that's on Davros. I'll fight anyone who says otherwise.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 11 Posts: 17,984
    The Doctor programmed the Hand to destroy Skaro, please tell me you got that.
    Gerard wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »

    He was a murderer and betrayed the Doctor’s best friend; Pertwee disintegrated Ogrons for less.

    And Colin did quite a few murders as well : "Vengeance on Varos" (two guards plunged in acid), "The Two Doctors" (one villain poisoned with cyanide), "Terror fo the Vervoids" (the whole Vervoid race made to suffer "autumn). Not to mention what McCoy did to Skaro in "Remembrance of the Daleks". Some incarnations of the Doctor have been quite bloodthirsty.

    Yeah exactly, it’s weird isn’t it. The Doctor routinely vanquished their enemies, and I’ve never heard any complaint about that; twenty years ago he was ‘a no second chances kind of guy’ and sent Sycorax falling to their deaths etc. but suddenly internet people think the internet troll character was worthy of sympathy, bit rum that.
    As for the idea this Doctor doesn’t show sympathy to those he fights, well last night’s episode proves that wrong, as does Space Babies, Dot & Bubble, Rogue etc. As I said, they have no answer, and much like that character, go on saying the same things regardless. And some people who don’t even watch the show gleefully mop up anything negative about it without question.
    QBranch wrote: »
    Been enjoying the series thus far - I wouldn't say the bar is low at all, as stated up thread. I kinda wish they'd give this Doctor some weird little quirk (Jodie didn't get that either did she?), and I'm hoping he finds a signature outfit, maybe lean into one of the brown jackets a bit more. Ncuti wears a lot of orange and brown here and maybe that's what they're going for in terms of an iconic look to remember him by. Enjoying Unleashed too - it's all on YouTube.

    Current ranking:

    1. The Well
    2. Lux
    3. Lucky Day
    4. The Robote Revolution
    5. Joy to the World

    Ooh bit low on Joy for me, I’d pop that much higher! :)
    He does have a default look: the long leather coat is kind of his main costume even if the shirts and accessories change.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 14,155
    mtm wrote: »
    The Doctor programmed the Hand to destroy Skaro, please tell me you got that.

    Yes, I got that. But again, it was Davros that activated it.

    A more fitting example, might be the Doctor being ready and willing to smash in the skull of a caveman, until Ian stopped him.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 11 Posts: 17,984
    mtm wrote: »
    The Doctor programmed the Hand to destroy Skaro, please tell me you got that.

    Yes, I got that. But again, it was Davros that activated it.

    So if you sabotage someone's gun to go off in their face, if they aim it at a squirrel and pull the trigger and their face gets blown off, it's their fault. Uh-huh. Good luck in the courts with that one! :))

    Regardless, it's another good example of the Doctor not trying to sympathise with or help the baddie, something people objected to him doing again last week for some reason. And which, I repeat, sympathising and helping the baddie is something he did do in yesterday's episode. And it's something this version of the Doctor has consistently done in his time onscreen so far.
    A more fitting example, might be the Doctor being ready and willing to smash in the skull of a caveman, until Ian stopped him.

    Yep, yet another good example. Curious people suddenly think it's something only Doctor 15 ever did, isn't it? And he's never tried to smash anyone's skull in either.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited May 11 Posts: 14,155
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    The Doctor programmed the Hand to destroy Skaro, please tell me you got that.

    Yes, I got that. But again, it was Davros that activated it.

    So if you sabotage someone's gun to go off in their face, if they aim it at a squirrel and pull the trigger and their face gets blown off, it's their fault. Uh-huh. Good luck in the courts with that one! :))

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    What's the humble squirrel done to deserve being lumped in with Davros? At the end of the day.... this is Davros we're talking about. So I personally don't have an issue with how the Doctor manipulated him into using the Hand Of Omega. This is the ends justifies the means version of the Doctor afterall. Though I do think the 3rd Doctor didn't have to shot that one Ogron, so maybe it's a bit of my 7th Doctor leaning bias creeping in.
    mtm wrote: »
    A more fitting example, might be the Doctor being ready and willing to smash in the skull of a caveman, until Ian stopped him.

    Yep, yet another good example. Curious people suddenly think it's something only Doctor 15 ever did, isn't it? And he's never tried to smash anyone's skull in either.

    You're guess is as good as mine. I can't speak for anyone else. Though I haven't seen the episode in question, I don't have an issue with the Doctor killing villains.

    EDIT
    Another example just came to mind, the 6th Doctor going Charles Bronson on the Cybermen in the Tardis.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 17,984
    He didn't even kill this guy, he left him in prison. There are episodes where I do think he's gone too far and it's felt off (Dinosaurs on a Spaceship ended with that and it felt out of character) but this really wasn't one of them. The guy was a murderer and he got sent to prison; I don't want the Doctor deciding he shouldn't be there, that's not his role. Such an odd complaint.
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