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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 24 Posts: 18,254
    bondywondy wrote: »
    Well that's a more positive spin on it. 😉

    It's not a spin though, it's a fact.
    Expecting the ratings to stay the same as they were 20 years ago when no programmes (other than Christmas flukes) are getting those sort of figures now is the negative spin and makes no sense.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
    edited May 25 Posts: 801
    Interesting fact, that may or may not be true. Apparently, Christopher Eccleston's famous leather jacket was the same one (and I mean the exact same one) that Pierce wore in Taffin, 17-years earlier.

    1988
    taffin-lg.jpg

    2005 (after being dyed black)
    christopher-eccleston-doctor-jacket-700x838.jpg
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,254
    I remember looking at that and I think the Taffin one was in visibly worse shape than Eccleston’s, plus I know they made at least one new replica for him to wear in the show as well. They are obviously the same design though, a German U Boat captain’s jacket from the war.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 28 Posts: 18,254
    bondywondy wrote: »
    Many fans blame him for the show's woke agenda.

    As they say "go woke, go broke."

    I just saw this fun post on Reddit pulling out various online reactions to the show from ten years ago in 2015, and, guess what- they were complaining how 'woke' it had become and they thought the awful liberal agenda had taken it over then too. As indeed they were complaining ten years before that (when the phrase 'gay agenda' popped up over and over again).
    The more things change, the more they stay the same. Seen it all before.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited May 28 Posts: 14,188
    It's a good thing the internet wasn't around in 1989. The same buzzwords would be thrown around (especially towards Survival).

    Looking back, the McCoy era was really quite modern.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 28 Posts: 18,254
    They would be thrown around from the second the Doctor failed to crush the skull of that caveman. Ignore anyone who says that kind of rubbish.

    The McCoy period was quite modern, it might look old hat today, but something like Survival is pretty sophisticated from a TV production point of view compared to a Davison like Castrovalva maybe, and they're only seven years apart.
    DW looks great today, but compared to Whittaker's first series, also seven years ago, it's not wildly different. Better TARDIS, of course.
  • edited May 28 Posts: 544
    Ep 8 on Saturday may be the final episode of Nu Who. The end of the 20 year run!

    David Tennant says farewell:

    https://jumpshare.com/s/4fId8T3Hd9HCrVfFkDQA

    I doubt Doctor Who will finish for good but it may be put on hold for a few years.

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,254
    I doubt it. I reckon there might be a Christmas special in 2026 but no new series; I wouldn't be surprised if it's back in '27.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited May 31 Posts: 25,978
    The Reality War Ncuti best by far, good acting during what I can only describe as genuinely tragic and heart breaking part of the episode.

    It's clear the final act was completely reworked, well I know that as fact. Ruby's hair really gives it away. The Doctor reacts in a way to a certain situation that suggests he knows and then the next scene feels totally contradictory.
    The ending I knew about weeks ago.
    Billie Piper and her dodgy wig as the next Doctor
    feels very desperate.

    There were some good things in this finale and some utter cringe, the big bad
    I am done with crappy CGI monsters.
    Susan's storyline completely dropped, clearly a long arc that abruptly was dumped in Wish World .

    I will rewatch the two part finale again, the first part is hilarious and utterly ridiculous so much so it's entertaining, the second part actually for a few scenes had genuine weight and emotional depth.

    The finale improves the overall arc of the series, it's a shame so much preachy nonsense ruins so much of this era.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited May 31 Posts: 14,188
    I loved Archie Panjabi as The Rani (by far the best thing about the episode). I was worried that she'd come off as a carbon copy of Missy. But no, she was wonderful. Though I wished she was onscreen more.... MUCH more. And it would have been great if she'd called someone a cretin, complete with a look of utter disdain on her face.

    I heard the rumour of Billie Piper as the next Doctor, but I didn't take it seriously Brining Tennant back was bad enough, but this is just creatively bankrupt. Someone needs to tell RTD that he doesn't have to cast people from his first time around as the Doctor. Though she wasn't credited as the Doctor, just 'And introducing Billie Piper', so there might be a bit of rug pulling.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Archie Panjabi stole every scene and was great, very good actress. I agree I wish Archie had been given more to do.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited May 31 Posts: 25,978
    Bonnie Langford randomly appearing with tight perm was amusing, it made me chuckle thinking of the Rani disguised as Mel.
    @MajorDSmythe good point regarding
    Billie Piper, assuming the show comes back anytime soon the regeneration could have the Doctors face changing several times until settling on who will actually be the next Doctor.
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    Next spin-off trailer :

  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    I watched The War Between The Land And The Sea trailer though it barely registered last night as I was still laughing at RTDs Hubris.

    The War Between The Land And The Sea looks interesting I will give it a go.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited June 1 Posts: 18,254
    2.17million overnight figures, so up again which is good.

    I was mixed on it; I really enjoyed the end part with the Doctor trying to save a child's life and pulling her between realities, the cameo was surprisingly good and made me kind of reconsider that actor/character, and Omega was nicely terrifying, but before then it was failing to land with me a bit and was obviously quite frantic. I still think it's better than it was under Chibnall as everything connected up but I didn't perhaps love it and preferred earlier eps in the series like the song contest one.
    I think it's been a strong series overall though and I'm sad to see Gatwa go.

    Regarding the ending I had the same thought:
    the Doctor actually seemed to vanish before Piper's face appeared rather than turning into her, I think there's more going on here



    The finale improves the overall arc of the series, it's a shame so much preachy nonsense ruins so much of this era.

    See my Reddit link above :))
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 15,179
    WOW- did not expect that ending! So glad I didn't read anything online on the lead up to this finale. Of course I had read certain rumours weeks or even months back but didn't put any stock into them. Sad to see Ncuti go too, was hoping for a third series with him and if I had just one criticism of his era it's that he didn't feel completely Doctor-y due to lack of quirks and signature outfit. It was nice seeing Ruby get more to do here and Belinda was a great companion - wonderful ending for her. Really enjoyed seeing the return of characters at 1 and 51 minutes in.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited June 1 Posts: 25,978
    QBranch wrote: »
    WOW- did not expect that ending! So glad I didn't read anything online on the lead up to this finale. Of course I had read certain rumours weeks or even months back but didn't put any stock into them. Sad to see Ncuti go too, was hoping for a third series with him and if I had just one criticism of his era it's that he didn't feel completely Doctor-y due to lack of quirks and signature outfit. It was nice seeing Ruby get more to do here and Belinda was a great companion - wonderful ending for her. Really enjoyed seeing the return of characters at 1 and 51 minutes in.

    Ruby was the goat of the episode, Millie really can act, I warmed a lot to Belinda in the finale now that the script allowed her to develop her character and appear happy and smiling was a bonus, they were both great.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    mtm wrote: »
    2.17million overnight figures, so up again which is good.

    I was mixed on it; I really enjoyed the end part with the Doctor trying to save a child's life and pulling her between realities, the cameo was surprisingly good and made me kind of reconsider that actor/character, and Omega was nicely terrifying, but before then it was failing to land with me a bit and was obviously quite frantic. I still think it's better than it was under Chibnall as everything connected up but I didn't perhaps love it and preferred earlier eps in the series like the song contest one.
    I think it's been a strong series overall though and I'm sad to see Gatwa go.

    Regarding the ending I had the same thought:
    the Doctor actually seemed to vanish before Piper's face appeared rather than turning into her, I think there's more going on here



    The finale improves the overall arc of the series, it's a shame so much preachy nonsense ruins so much of this era.

    See my Reddit link above :))

    No thanks, Ten years ago the show was nothing like it is now.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited June 1 Posts: 18,254
    People were still saying the same thing though :)) It’s always been too woke or preachy or something for someone, right back to the 70s when he was an early environmental campaigner, that’s Dr Who.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited June 1 Posts: 14,188
    mtm wrote: »
    2.17million overnight figures, so up again which is good.

    I was mixed on it; I really enjoyed the end part with the Doctor trying to save a child's life and pulling her between realities, the cameo was surprisingly good and made me kind of reconsider that actor/character, and Omega was nicely terrifying, but before then it was failing to land with me a bit and was obviously quite frantic. I still think it's better than it was under Chibnall as everything connected up but I didn't perhaps love it and preferred earlier eps in the series like the song contest one.
    I think it's been a strong series overall though and I'm sad to see Gatwa go.

    Regarding the ending I had the same thought:
    the Doctor actually seemed to vanish before Piper's face appeared rather than turning into her, I think there's more going on here



    The finale improves the overall arc of the series, it's a shame so much preachy nonsense ruins so much of this era.

    See my Reddit link above :))

    No thanks, Ten years ago the show was nothing like it is now.

    You can say that again. Series 8 wasn't so blatantly sanctimonious as series 2 (2025).

    Here's a wild idea for RTD, give the show a break for a year. Instead make a spin off show featuring The Rani (the Archie Panjabi Rani). Give her a companion of her own, and turn her loose on all of time and space.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited June 1 Posts: 25,978
    Alot of defenders of this era have turned on the show saying its jumped the shark (that had already happened sone time ago to be honest).

    DW has jumped the Fonz way way into the stratosphere.

    If it leads to a reset and good DW I will be happy.

    As much as I hated that last shot nothing to do with person it's because of creative choice, DW may be thrusted into the public consciousness again. (It was a stunt).

    I love DW I want good story telling, I want the show to do well without BS.

    As a kid growing up I watched Tom Baker so my bar is very high. City of Death I will never forget watching that when it aired, it blew my mind.

    Matt Smith is my favourite Doctor, season 5 was incredible.
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    Frankly I'm glad Gatwa had gone. I never believed in him as the Doctor anyway. The best Doctor actors seem to inhabit the role while he just looked like an actor playing at being the Doctor. It's pretty obvious Gatwa only thought of Doctor Who as a stepping stone to other things. If RTD could follow him out the door I'd be quite happy.

  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited June 1 Posts: 25,978
    Some DW actors are more invested than others.

    You know when a actor has there heart in the role when playing DW.

    Since 2005 Eccleston, Smith, Capaldi all juganauts.
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
    Posts: 590
    cooperman2 wrote: »
    Frankly I'm glad Gatwa had gone. I never believed in him as the Doctor anyway. The best Doctor actors seem to inhabit the role while he just looked like an actor playing at being the Doctor. It's pretty obvious Gatwa only thought of Doctor Who as a stepping stone to other things. If RTD could follow him out the door I'd be quite happy.

    Gatwa has tremendous range but I agree about his inability to own the role.

    Not really his fault, though, and I think he did a good job. Wish him well.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    Posts: 598
    mtm wrote: »
    It’s always been too woke or preachy or something for someone, right back to the 70s when he was an early environmental campaigner, that’s Dr Who.

    Has it? Did it? I don't recall that being the case at the time, when I was actually a part of the shows target audience.

    It does seem to me that too much discussion around Dr Who these days revolves around sexual politics rather than saving the Universe. Every season seems to have to have some additional development in that space to the point where, dare I say it, it's beginning to come across like a publicity gimmick to attract attention.

    Personally I think the current creators as a group have been doing it for a very long time and have simply run out of good ideas. It may be time for another hiatus, or at least for a completely new set of people to have a go.

    Looking back, it's been another great run, but it may be time to say "Goodbye and thanks for all the Fish"
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    Posts: 25,978
    Ncuti did show some range in the finale to be fair, the other episodes he was very one. At the end of the day actors do what they are told to do, the constant crying was a bit much.
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
    Posts: 590
    Seve wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    It’s always been too woke or preachy or something for someone, right back to the 70s when he was an early environmental campaigner, that’s Dr Who.

    Has it? Did it? I don't recall that being the case at the time, when I was actually a part of the shows target audience.

    It does seem to me that too much discussion around Dr Who these days revolves around sexual politics rather than saving the Universe. Every season seems to have to have some additional development in that space to the point where, dare I say it, it's beginning to come across like a publicity gimmick to attract attention.

    Personally I think the current creators as a group have been doing it for a very long time and have simply run out of good ideas. It may be time for another hiatus, or at least for a completely new set of people to have a go.

    Looking back, it's been another great run, but it may be time to say "Goodbye and thanks for all the Fish"

    It really has.

    It's just the culture war idiots targeting it now.

    For the usual reasons.

    It's not time to say goodbye at all. Plenty of potential and a massive, ready-made audience.

    Should just resist any overtures of its politicised critics.

    They want ownership, not consensus.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,254
    I came across this which is a lot of fun: a fan review of The Deadly Assassin from 1976, which is seen as a bit of a classic now. All I can say is, thank goodness the internet wasn't around for the first 26 years of the show's run! :D
    https://archivetvmusings.blog/tag/the-deadly-assassin/
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    007HallY wrote: »
    From what I understand it's the rags saying he's been fired, and the BBC have said it's not the case, even if he leaves in the near future. I presume even in that case he'd still need to stay for at least a series to get cast a new actor and do a regeneration? I guess there's also Disney making a decision on a new series or something? Although even that doesn't seem to be definitive of anything. No idea...

    To be honest, from the handful of episodes I've seen of his (and by the way, it's more than I've seen from the last few Doctors/since Tennent) I think this show needs a good shake up anyway. I don't think the way they're making these episodes nowadays/even just with viewer habits alone will result in consistent viewers or even a great viewing experience.

    Well, that was proven wrong, haha.

    I did actually catch it. Very weird. Felt like the whole thing had been done a bit last minute (which would make sense if the lead actor decided not to continue and/or there was a change in direction).
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    edited June 2 Posts: 598
    It's not time to say goodbye at all. Plenty of potential and a massive, ready-made audience.

    The concept of Dr Who will always have plenty of potential, but the people involved will inevitably run out of ideas and become stale at some point, just look at any TV show ever made.

    Sometimes they know when to stop, sometimes they don't and end up "jumping the shark" or begin recycling previous ideas. That's when a break or a fresh set of eyes is required.

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