Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    Mallory wrote: »
    Can we have the next Bond film, and therefore the first introduction of the new 007, mirror the opening of Dr No, by which I mean a silent gunbarrel, Bond shoots, and then the full fanfare kicks in. That would be awesome.

    Sounds great!
    Although, one idea that keeps coming to my head is, the white dots does all its usual movement to the right side of the screen, and still comes out empty, then Bond suddenly reappears and shoots when it gets to the centre? Just a way of saying Bond is back, the same way he faded out in NTTD's gunbarrel. Maybe a slight nod to NTTD.
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    Mallory wrote: »
    Can we have the next Bond film, and therefore the first introduction of the new 007, mirror the opening of Dr No, by which I mean a silent gunbarrel, Bond shoots, and then the full fanfare kicks in. That would be awesome.

    Sounds good to me!
  • renno61 wrote: »
    Lots of actors getting mentioned with the role, a name which I don't think has come up is
    Antony Starr ,he excellent as Homelander in the Boys and I wasn't aware he's from New Zealand.
    Karl Urban would have made a great Bond ,everything he's in he good .

    I don't think I could ever unsee Homelander whenever Starr does anything else from now on. Such a distinctive performance.
    He's also too old for Bond.

    I wouldn't mind him in any role in a Bond film, though. Like I said, it's hard to unsee Homelander, but he could do a very good menacing, clinical, torturing henchman.

    And the same goes for Urban. I'd be totally fine if he was in a film as an ally or any type of villain. A slightly more sophisticated Bond paired with Urban as a door-kicking, head-bashing local paramilitary/law enforcement? Could work.

    I’d be down for Urban to play Felix actually. I know he’s a Kiwi, but he did a bit of a southern drawl as Bones McCoy, and while I haven’t heard it I know he did a Texan accent for some TV show. Looking him up, I just realized he's 50, but he reads young and I think there's a bit more leeway for Felix to skew older, sort of like Dalton playing opposite Hedison who was 20 years his senior.

    Matthew McConaughey will forever be the most perfect Felix Leiter that never was for me. I'd figured he was too old to pair with a new Bond at this point, but hey, going the Hedison route he'd technically still be fair game too.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited August 2022 Posts: 7,518
    I just realized, if you take the final scene that Craig filmed (Bond leaving Paloma and running down the alley with Obruchev), and the dialogue spoken in that scene, Craig's final ever line as Bond comitted to film was...

    "Ciao."

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mKa8klOku_w
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    renno61 wrote: »
    Lots of actors getting mentioned with the role, a name which I don't think has come up is
    Antony Starr ,he excellent as Homelander in the Boys and I wasn't aware he's from New Zealand.
    Karl Urban would have made a great Bond ,everything he's in he good .

    I don't think I could ever unsee Homelander whenever Starr does anything else from now on. Such a distinctive performance.
    He's also too old for Bond.

    I wouldn't mind him in any role in a Bond film, though. Like I said, it's hard to unsee Homelander, but he could do a very good menacing, clinical, torturing henchman.

    And the same goes for Urban. I'd be totally fine if he was in a film as an ally or any type of villain. A slightly more sophisticated Bond paired with Urban as a door-kicking, head-bashing local paramilitary/law enforcement? Could work.

    I’d be down for Urban to play Felix actually. I know he’s a Kiwi, but he did a bit of a southern drawl as Bones McCoy, and while I haven’t heard it I know he did a Texan accent for some TV show. Looking him up, I just realized he's 50, but he reads young and I think there's a bit more leeway for Felix to skew older, sort of like Dalton playing opposite Hedison who was 20 years his senior.

    Matthew McConaughey will forever be the most perfect Felix Leiter that never was for me. I'd figured he was too old to pair with a new Bond at this point, but hey, going the Hedison route he'd technically still be fair game too.

    Regarding Felix, when I heard that Jimmy Dean was cast in DAF I thought that they had finally found a perfect Felix.
  • Matthew McConaughey would have been fun as hell as Felix. He’d be up there with Sam Rockwell and Josh Brolin as my top choices. I certainly don’t mind having an older Felix, especially if we go with a relatively young Bond.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson Moderator
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    delfloria wrote: »
    renno61 wrote: »
    Lots of actors getting mentioned with the role, a name which I don't think has come up is
    Antony Starr ,he excellent as Homelander in the Boys and I wasn't aware he's from New Zealand.
    Karl Urban would have made a great Bond ,everything he's in he good .

    I don't think I could ever unsee Homelander whenever Starr does anything else from now on. Such a distinctive performance.
    He's also too old for Bond.

    I wouldn't mind him in any role in a Bond film, though. Like I said, it's hard to unsee Homelander, but he could do a very good menacing, clinical, torturing henchman.

    And the same goes for Urban. I'd be totally fine if he was in a film as an ally or any type of villain. A slightly more sophisticated Bond paired with Urban as a door-kicking, head-bashing local paramilitary/law enforcement? Could work.

    I’d be down for Urban to play Felix actually. I know he’s a Kiwi, but he did a bit of a southern drawl as Bones McCoy, and while I haven’t heard it I know he did a Texan accent for some TV show. Looking him up, I just realized he's 50, but he reads young and I think there's a bit more leeway for Felix to skew older, sort of like Dalton playing opposite Hedison who was 20 years his senior.

    Matthew McConaughey will forever be the most perfect Felix Leiter that never was for me. I'd figured he was too old to pair with a new Bond at this point, but hey, going the Hedison route he'd technically still be fair game too.

    Regarding Felix, when I heard that Jimmy Dean was cast in DAF I thought that they had finally found a perfect Felix.

    I never thought of that, but he fits Fleming’s to a tee!
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    renno61 wrote: »
    Lots of actors getting mentioned with the role, a name which I don't think has come up is
    Antony Starr ,he excellent as Homelander in the Boys and I wasn't aware he's from New Zealand.
    Karl Urban would have made a great Bond ,everything he's in he good .

    I don't think I could ever unsee Homelander whenever Starr does anything else from now on. Such a distinctive performance.
    He's also too old for Bond.

    I wouldn't mind him in any role in a Bond film, though. Like I said, it's hard to unsee Homelander, but he could do a very good menacing, clinical, torturing henchman.

    And the same goes for Urban. I'd be totally fine if he was in a film as an ally or any type of villain. A slightly more sophisticated Bond paired with Urban as a door-kicking, head-bashing local paramilitary/law enforcement? Could work.

    I’d be down for Urban to play Felix actually. I know he’s a Kiwi, but he did a bit of a southern drawl as Bones McCoy, and while I haven’t heard it I know he did a Texan accent for some TV show. Looking him up, I just realized he's 50, but he reads young and I think there's a bit more leeway for Felix to skew older, sort of like Dalton playing opposite Hedison who was 20 years his senior.

    Matthew McConaughey will forever be the most perfect Felix Leiter that never was for me. I'd figured he was too old to pair with a new Bond at this point, but hey, going the Hedison route he'd technically still be fair game too.

    Regarding Felix, when I heard that Jimmy Dean was cast in DAF I thought that they had finally found a perfect Felix.

    I never thought of that, but he fits Fleming’s to a tee!

    Except that he's not blond, Felix was straw haired in the books.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson Moderator
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    I would call him sandy blonde, which is what I think of a straw blonde. I’m probably off.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    renno61 wrote: »
    Lots of actors getting mentioned with the role, a name which I don't think has come up is
    Antony Starr ,he excellent as Homelander in the Boys and I wasn't aware he's from New Zealand.
    Karl Urban would have made a great Bond ,everything he's in he good .

    I don't think I could ever unsee Homelander whenever Starr does anything else from now on. Such a distinctive performance.
    He's also too old for Bond.

    I wouldn't mind him in any role in a Bond film, though. Like I said, it's hard to unsee Homelander, but he could do a very good menacing, clinical, torturing henchman.

    And the same goes for Urban. I'd be totally fine if he was in a film as an ally or any type of villain. A slightly more sophisticated Bond paired with Urban as a door-kicking, head-bashing local paramilitary/law enforcement? Could work.

    I’d be down for Urban to play Felix actually. I know he’s a Kiwi, but he did a bit of a southern drawl as Bones McCoy, and while I haven’t heard it I know he did a Texan accent for some TV show. Looking him up, I just realized he's 50, but he reads young and I think there's a bit more leeway for Felix to skew older, sort of like Dalton playing opposite Hedison who was 20 years his senior.

    Matthew McConaughey will forever be the most perfect Felix Leiter that never was for me. I'd figured he was too old to pair with a new Bond at this point, but hey, going the Hedison route he'd technically still be fair game too.

    Have all the Felixs so far been played by Americans and do our US friends feel he should be played by an American, given he is the most prominent US character?
  • edited August 2022 Posts: 2,742
    I'm not too sure when we'll see another Felix, but I'm of the opinion that it's best to do something different with the character going forward.

    Personally, I'd like to see a version of Leiter who is slightly older than Bond (let's say in his 40s alongside a Bond in their 30s). I think their friendship should already be established and they should have a familiarity with each other, much like in NTTD. I'd also like to see a Leiter with a mechanical hand and prosthetic leg too, who is ex-CIA and currently working at Pinkerton. Again, this doesn't have to be explained, but the main idea is he's more a 'man for hire', not quite a rogue as he still has contacts/connections in the CIA, but is essentially much less 'by the books' than we've seen in previous films. I think Leiter's humour should also be brought out more. Even Wright's Leiter was a touch brooding in CR and QOS.
  • MalloryMallory Do mosquitoes have friends?
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    How about an introductory film whereby Bond has already received his mission and has begun it when the film starts. No actual M, Q or Moneypenny in the film, and we (the audience) uncover the mission as we go. Maybe have them feature via email messages if needed for plot advancement, but have Bond be a pure lone wolf, out on his own.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    Mallory wrote: »
    How about an introductory film whereby Bond has already received his mission and has begun it when the film starts. No actual M, Q or Moneypenny in the film, and we (the audience) uncover the mission as we go. Maybe have them feature via email messages if needed for plot advancement, but have Bond be a pure lone wolf, out on his own.

    I would really love this. It's more suspenseful when Bond is alone.
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    It's an interesting idea, but I'm not quite sure if it'd work from a narrative point of view. Generally speaking these films start with or at least centre around a simple premise (ie. a British agent in Jamaica is killed, a digital list of British agents is stolen) that is made clear to the audience. The more the plot develops the 'deeper' we get into this world of fantastical villains, exotic locations etc. There can't really be any ambiguity in what Bond is trying to achieve or why he has to go to these locations or you are at risk of losing the audience, which is why the M scenes were included in the novels in the first place (ie. for exposition and to essentially set up the plot).

    Dramatically/thematically it might be a bit problematic too. Remember, we're going to be introducing not only a new Bond in the next film but presumably a new 'universe' too. I think we need to understand and actually see things like how MI6 and the 00 section operate, get a sense of Bond's relationship with others at MI6 etc.
  • What could be interesting would be to take inspiration from Casino Royale and Live and Let Die's structures, with a first chapter that already sees Bond on the field, hooking the reader, and then a second chapter flashes back to Bond receiving the instructions a few hours before. It could nicely work with Eon's structure (PTS, the title sequence and then the MI6 briefing). The main problem with such structure, could be that it feels too close to a TV series episode.
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    What could be interesting would be to take inspiration from Casino Royale and Live and Let Die's structures, with a first chapter that already sees Bond on the field, hooking the reader, and then a second chapter flashes back to Bond receiving the instructions a few hours before. It could nicely work with Eon's structure (PTS, the title sequence and then the MI6 briefing). The main problem with such structure, could be that it feels too close to a TV series episode.

    Yeah, the Bond film series has always been rather conservative in its storytelling. Even NTTD included time jumps that were shown in a linear way. I completely get what you mean about about it feeling very televisual.

    Anyway, I feel even in Fleming the briefing scenes worked better when they incorporated more into the main narrative. They feel much more vivd and less 'cold' in MR and FRWL than they do in CR and LALD, while still maintaining that sense of espionage/secrecy.

    I dunno, a part of me wonders what a Bond film would be like if they did something similar to the FRWL novel - that's to say the villains and the overarching plot is introduced first, tension is built up, and Bond actually appears later into the film (not quite as much as a quarter of the way through, but later than we're accustomed to, more like in DN if anything). We'd then see Bond first either on an unrelated assignment, return to MI6 and get his briefing from M, or simply begin with him in London. I have no idea if such a concept would work (it won't for all stories) but it'd be interesting.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I just realized, if you take the final scene that Craig filmed (Bond leaving Paloma and running down the alley with Obruchev), and the dialogue spoken in that scene, Craig's final ever line as Bond comitted to film was...

    "Ciao."

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mKa8klOku_w

    That's great. I do wish they had kept the entirety of that final shot, though, considering the emotion on set and it would've only added a few extra seconds of runtime.
  • edited August 2022 Posts: 3,272
    007HallY wrote: »
    What could be interesting would be to take inspiration from Casino Royale and Live and Let Die's structures, with a first chapter that already sees Bond on the field, hooking the reader, and then a second chapter flashes back to Bond receiving the instructions a few hours before. It could nicely work with Eon's structure (PTS, the title sequence and then the MI6 briefing). The main problem with such structure, could be that it feels too close to a TV series episode.

    Yeah, the Bond film series has always been rather conservative in its storytelling. Even NTTD included time jumps that were shown in a linear way. I completely get what you mean about about it feeling very televisual.

    Anyway, I feel even in Fleming the briefing scenes worked better when they incorporated more into the main narrative. They feel much more vivd and less 'cold' in MR and FRWL than they do in CR and LALD, while still maintaining that sense of espionage/secrecy.

    I dunno, a part of me wonders what a Bond film would be like if they did something similar to the FRWL novel - that's to say the villains and the overarching plot is introduced first, tension is built up, and Bond actually appears later into the film (not quite as much as a quarter of the way through, but later than we're accustomed to, more like in DN if anything). We'd then see Bond first either on an unrelated assignment, return to MI6 and get his briefing from M, or simply begin with him in London. I have no idea if such a concept would work (it won't for all stories) but it'd be interesting.

    I think the next film is in desperate need of bringing back some of these old hallmarks. M briefing Bond in his office, in a fairly standard, linear, old fashioned way, after the PTS is something I really want to see again. And then popping down to see Q after a brief flirtation with Moneypenny.

    It's been a very long time since we've had this (GE, before that TLD), so the producers can't be accused of going back to the same old same old again.
  • edited August 2022 Posts: 2,742
    007HallY wrote: »
    What could be interesting would be to take inspiration from Casino Royale and Live and Let Die's structures, with a first chapter that already sees Bond on the field, hooking the reader, and then a second chapter flashes back to Bond receiving the instructions a few hours before. It could nicely work with Eon's structure (PTS, the title sequence and then the MI6 briefing). The main problem with such structure, could be that it feels too close to a TV series episode.

    Yeah, the Bond film series has always been rather conservative in its storytelling. Even NTTD included time jumps that were shown in a linear way. I completely get what you mean about about it feeling very televisual.

    Anyway, I feel even in Fleming the briefing scenes worked better when they incorporated more into the main narrative. They feel much more vivd and less 'cold' in MR and FRWL than they do in CR and LALD, while still maintaining that sense of espionage/secrecy.

    I dunno, a part of me wonders what a Bond film would be like if they did something similar to the FRWL novel - that's to say the villains and the overarching plot is introduced first, tension is built up, and Bond actually appears later into the film (not quite as much as a quarter of the way through, but later than we're accustomed to, more like in DN if anything). We'd then see Bond first either on an unrelated assignment, return to MI6 and get his briefing from M, or simply begin with him in London. I have no idea if such a concept would work (it won't for all stories) but it'd be interesting.

    I think the next film is in desperate need of bringing back some of these old hallmarks. M briefing Bond in his office, in a fairly standard, linear, old fashioned way, after the PTS is something I really want to see again. And then popping down to see Q after a brief flirtation with Moneypenny.

    It's been a very long time since we've had this (GE, before that TLD), so the producers can't be accused of going back to the same old same old again.

    I guess we've seen all those things during the Craig era, just not in the context of that formulaic or 'traditional' cinematic Bond outline. Personally, I'm not all that bothered about incorporating these scenes specifically to seem 'familiar'. I'd like them to do something new with these elements in order to tell the strongest story possible while being creatively fresh. They'll also presumably have to rebuild this new Bond universe/MI6 team, so there's potential for something new.

    I mean, just look at the M briefing scenes in the books, especially the early ones. There are these great descriptions of rain tapping against the window, the light from the green lamp spilling onto the desk in this dark room, M carefully briefing Bond. It comes off as very secretive, covert, almost insular. We really get a sense of the dynamic between these two characters (ie. the nice little touches such as Bond noting the significance of M calling him 'James' rather than 007, which is something I've always wanted to see in a film), as well as the nature of Bond's profession. I don't think we've quite seen anything nearing that type of atmosphere in the films. I'm sure they could convey such an impression through the cinematography, editing and acting of a future scene.

    As for Moneypenny and Q... I don't mind too much. Neither are that big a deal in the novels, and if anything a Loelia Ponsonby type character could serve far more of a serviceable narrative function. I'd say she's more interesting a character potentially, and her involvement would mean a bit more of a sense of world building about the 00 section in this new Bond universe. I really don't care about Q. I'd like to see gadgets in the next one, again providing they do something slightly different with the Chekov's gun outline (I've pointed to the moment in LALD in the past where Bond's magnetic watch isn't able to attract the boat during the crocodile run, which is a cool subversion. I've also said that perhaps Bond could use his gadget in a slightly different way than it was intended, again just to keep things fresh).
  • GadgetMan wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    How about an introductory film whereby Bond has already received his mission and has begun it when the film starts. No actual M, Q or Moneypenny in the film, and we (the audience) uncover the mission as we go. Maybe have them feature via email messages if needed for plot advancement, but have Bond be a pure lone wolf, out on his own.

    I would really love this. It's more suspenseful when Bond is alone.

    Yeah I like this idea too, I think it’d be a nice way to strip things down and make Bond more of an enigma again, especially if they took some cues from the TSWLM novel and told the story from the girl’s perspective. You could have a PTS showing the beginnings of some evil scheme, tell the story from the perspective of a woman who’s found herself involved in it, and then through her eyes introduce the new Bond as an enigmatic figure who’s already on his mission, ready to sort it out. I think that’d be a cool introduction. It’d make him feel more mysterious and spyish, it’d be a nice palette cleanser after a few London heavy films, and gives them a nice sequel hook to grab a few headlines (bringing back M/Q/Moneypenny again).
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    edited August 2022 Posts: 4,247
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    How about an introductory film whereby Bond has already received his mission and has begun it when the film starts. No actual M, Q or Moneypenny in the film, and we (the audience) uncover the mission as we go. Maybe have them feature via email messages if needed for plot advancement, but have Bond be a pure lone wolf, out on his own.

    I would really love this. It's more suspenseful when Bond is alone.

    Yeah I like this idea too, I think it’d be a nice way to strip things down and make Bond more of an enigma again, especially if they took some cues from the TSWLM novel and told the story from the girl’s perspective. You could have a PTS showing the beginnings of some evil scheme, tell the story from the perspective of a woman who’s found herself involved in it, and then through her eyes introduce the new Bond as an enigmatic figure who’s already on his mission, ready to sort it out. I think that’d be a cool introduction. It’d make him feel more mysterious and spyish, it’d be a nice palette cleanser after a few London heavy films, and gives them a nice sequel hook to grab a few headlines (bringing back M/Q/Moneypenny again).

    Yeah, this would be nice. A different style all together for the new Bond.
  • stagstag In the thick of it!
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    Personally, I'd like to see the franchise return to the formula of old, with no deep dives into Bond's personal life. I'd also like to see less of the peripheral MI6 characters (M etc) who, I believe, were given too much of a role.

    Basically, send Bond off on a mission and leave him to it.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Given how in-depth the Craig era went with his backstory and eventually his death, I'd be surprised to see a similar direction taken in the next era. I also hope we return to the old formula or see it shaken up with something entirely different or unexpected that clicks and works.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Given how in-depth the Craig era went with his backstory and eventually his death, I'd be surprised to see a similar direction taken in the next era. I also hope we return to the old formula or see it shaken up with something entirely different or unexpected that clicks and works.

    Yeah. I'm with this. I love Craig's Bond, but I want something different for Bond 7. A return to the old formula with an inventive mix is what's needed I think.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I do wish they had kept the entirety of that final shot, though, considering the emotion on set and it would've only added a few extra seconds of runtime.
    Absolutely. CraigBond turning the corner and disappearing into the night: perfect. As you say, it's mere seconds of film, but it would've carried some emotional heft for us. That's one shot I'd never have trimmed.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited August 2022 Posts: 40,368
    Venutius wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I do wish they had kept the entirety of that final shot, though, considering the emotion on set and it would've only added a few extra seconds of runtime.
    Absolutely. CraigBond turning the corner and disappearing into the night: perfect. As you say, it's mere seconds of film, but it would've carried some emotional heft for us. That's one shot I'd never have trimmed.

    Absolutely, just a few extra seconds that mean a little something more to the fans who know the history of the shot. If only.
  • DB5MNDB5MN USA
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    I think they should do a assassination plot I don't think bond has ever done that a race against time. Like the man who knew too much.
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    DB5MN wrote: »
    I think they should do a assassination plot I don't think bond has ever done that a race against time. Like the man who knew too much.

    QOS was something of a race against time, but, that wasn't the plot, but the production. Whoopsy. Anywho - the results are very good !
  • DB5MNDB5MN USA
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    Since62 wrote: »
    DB5MN wrote: »
    I think they should do a assassination plot I don't think bond has ever done that a race against time. Like the man who knew too much.

    QOS was something of a race against time, but, that wasn't the plot, but the production. Whoopsy. Anywho - the results are very good !

    You talking about the man who knew too much or QOS?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Reading about QOS, and being reminded of how Craig and Forster almost entirely on their own put together a film that, under the circumstances, is a more than laudable effort, I want to ask the room how everyone feels about another Bond actor getting deeply involved with the production. Do you want Bond 7 to merely play the part as it is written for him by others? Or do you want an actor who works with the producers and writers to put together a good story?
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