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    I greatly dislike how the Academy goes so much for films with social commentary, and mostly serious ones. For once I'd like to see a really stupid, silly comedy get an Oscar nomination. They can have as much craft and artistry as any drama.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    I greatly dislike how the Academy goes so much for films with social commentary, and mostly serious ones. For once I'd like to see a really stupid, silly comedy get an Oscar nomination. They can have as much craft and artistry as any drama.

    They did that for a while. They were called Woody Allen movies. He said that his Oscar wins and records meant nothing to him. If they came with a underage girl, I’m sure he would have said something different.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    delfloria wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    NTTD deserved a best picture nom.

    It speaks volumes that the two films that basically “saved theaters” after such an unprecedented pandemic that put the industry on the verge of collapse got just 4 nominations.

    @matt_u ...Bang on and this is why the Academy keeps losing viewers. They've forgotten the general audience and they usually have gone for prestige films that nobody saw en masse...

    They increased the Best Film category to 10 contenders to include popular films like Spiderman and Bond. Not exactly working, is it.

    Exactly. It was extended after 2008 precisely because people thought a popular AND critically acclaimed film like THE DARK KNIGHT not getting a nomination but a mediocre title like THE READER entering the slot was egregious. Opening it up was to assure popular titles might at least get a nomination, and it initially worked. But then the titles got even more insular. So much there was that controversial “Most Popular Film” proposal. I think that really exposed how out of touch the Academy became.

    Go back 50-40 years ago and it was possible to see huge blockbusters like THE GODFATHER, JAWS, ROCKY, STAR WARS, RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK all got nominated and even won. We’re so far from that now.
  • Posts: 5,863
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    I greatly dislike how the Academy goes so much for films with social commentary, and mostly serious ones. For once I'd like to see a really stupid, silly comedy get an Oscar nomination. They can have as much craft and artistry as any drama.

    They did that for a while. They were called Woody Allen movies. He said that his Oscar wins and records meant nothing to him. If they came with a underage girl, I’m sure he would have said something different.
    Sorry Woody, you got burned!

    Still, I was thinking more along the lines of Zucker-Abrahams-Zucker or the Farrelly Brothers. Mel Brooks' films got some nominations in the seventies, but not for Best Picture I think.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    One of the Farrelly brothers did win an Oscar, it was for GREEN BOOK.

    Granted, it’s not from his usual brand of gross out comedies like THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY. It’s definitely got all the qualifications for Oscar bait.
  • Red_Snow wrote: »

    I'm curious as to how stunts are evaluated for awards consideration in the current era. Nowadays it isn't always so clear in the finished product what was the result of impressive stuntwork and to what extent an action sequence was helped out by CGI. How do you know you're judging the stunt and not CGI? Do stunt teams have to submit behind-the-scenes footage of the stunt along with the scene in the finished film to demonstrate how it was done?
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Red_Snow wrote: »

    I'm curious as to how stunts are evaluated for awards consideration in the current era. Nowadays it isn't always so clear in the finished product what was the result of impressive stuntwork and to what extent an action sequence was helped out by CGI. How do you know you're judging the stunt and not CGI? Do stunt teams have to submit behind-the-scenes footage of the stunt along with the scene in the finished film to demonstrate how it was done?

    I imagine that’s the case. Not all nominations are done by just watching a screener. There’s research that needs to be done in order to validate an eligibility.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    I thought Writing's On The Wall deserved to win - but so does No Time To Die.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    delfloria wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    About what I expected, no way was it getting Best Picture or Best Actor noms this year. I can see it winning for Best Song, but people do seem to love that track from Encanto.

    Long shot for Bond winning best song this time around. Too bad, because NTTD is sooo much better than Writings on the Wall.

    Oh I think it'll make it.
  • fadetoblack7fadetoblack7 Chicago IL
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    I greatly dislike how the Academy goes so much for films with social commentary, and mostly serious ones. For once I'd like to see a really stupid, silly comedy get an Oscar nomination. They can have as much craft and artistry as any drama.

    This, 100%. I’ve always said that they’re too limited with their choices. They need to be more open-minded and unbiased - if a screwball comedy deserves Best Picture, so be it. Time to make things exciting again!
  • The Best Picture race is largely driven by the festival circuit and studio lobbying, and I think that's unlikely to change. If anything, it's at least a positive that international films are getting into the nominations every year now. I wouldn't mind a separate category for best popular film, with strict qualification thresholds, e.g.:
    1. Min. $100m US BO
    2. Min. $250m global BO

    Another idea is to add some categories for genre films e.g., Action/Adventure, Thriller/Horror, Comedy/Musical, etc.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @GeneralGogol , I'm afraid your interesting suggestions would be seen as too radical at the Academy, unfortunately......
  • M16_CartM16_Cart Craig fanboy?
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    Does anyone else think that Craig looks like Mr. White in this pic?

    no-time-to-die-matera-suit.jpg?w=720

    He's been in pursuit of Mr. White for so long he's become him. lmao
  • Posts: 5,863
    M16_Cart wrote: »
    Does anyone else think that Craig looks like Mr. White in this pic?

    no-time-to-die-matera-suit.jpg?w=720

    He's been in pursuit of Mr. White for so long he's become him. lmao

    You posted the wrong photo. That's not Craig, that's Jesper Christensen.
  • leas_moleleas_mole love is the promise of suffering
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    NNTD should have got a Cinematography nomination
  • peterpeter Toronto
    edited February 2022 Posts: 6,523
    leas_mole wrote: »
    NNTD should have got a Cinematography nomination

    Without a doubt @leas_mole ... That snub was the biggest one. It shocked me. Whether one loves or loathes this film, I think most would agree it was gorgeous (especially after the complaints about the look of Spectre).

    The Academy seemingly doesn't have a lot of time for James Bond when it comes to the more prestigious awards.
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
    edited February 2022 Posts: 1,213
    delfloria wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    About what I expected, no way was it getting Best Picture or Best Actor noms this year. I can see it winning for Best Song, but people do seem to love that track from Encanto.

    Long shot for Bond winning best song this time around. Too bad, because NTTD is sooo much better than Writings on the Wall.

    How WOTW managed to win Best Original Song, is still beyond me.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    They’re not as stuck up about Bond tunes as the fans are.
  • Posts: 434
    leas_mole wrote: »
    NNTD should have got a Cinematography nomination

    Yeah, this is the one I'm really hung-up on. Not mad or anything, but NTTD is stunning. Better than tons of recent winners/nominees.
  • Posts: 1,176
    It’s ridiculous to expect a Bond film to get best picture nominations.At the end of the day,they are just seen as action films.More original and daring works should be celebrated.This helps them reach a wider audience.

    These days though the awards are just a virtue signaling exercise.Already I’m seeing lots of “ Oh look! Jane Campion is the first WOMAN director to get nominated twice “ and so forth.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    It’s ridiculous to expect a Bond film to get best picture nominations.At the end of the day,they are just seen as action films.More original and daring works should be celebrated.This helps them reach a wider audience.

    These days though the awards are just a virtue signaling exercise.Already I’m seeing lots of “ Oh look! Jane Campion is the first WOMAN director to get nominated twice “ and so forth.

    How is that virtue signaling from the audience's point of view? They have no control over what's selected. It's not any different than someone mentioning Spielberg's new records for producing/directing noms.
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    I greatly dislike how the Academy goes so much for films with social commentary, and mostly serious ones. For once I'd like to see a really stupid, silly comedy get an Oscar nomination. They can have as much craft and artistry as any drama.

    "Coming 2 America" is nominated for Best MakeUp.
    And "Don't Look Up" is nominated for 4 Oscars.

    There you have the really stupid, silly comedies.

    But you write as if "the Academy" was a room with 5 people sitting in it deciding what to do.
    It's 10.000 people from the movie industry, that are spread all over the world.
    It just seems, that most of them don't see a movie like "Coming 2 America" in a category like "Script", "Direction" etc.

    On the other hand:
    There were almost 300 feature films eligible for this years Oscars.
    Just because a movie is not nominated for an Oscar, doesn't make it a bad movie.
    And a movie is not a "loser" just because it didn't get nominated.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Just like a film isn't "great" because it was nominated for one. Some of the Academy members vote in categories where they didn't watch a single one of the shorts/films that was nominated, simply picking at random or selecting based off what a friend or family member said or recommended. No sense in getting hung up on these awards or their merit when a particular favorite isn't nominated.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    It’s ridiculous to expect a Bond film to get best picture nominations.At the end of the day,they are just seen as action films.More original and daring works should be celebrated.This helps them reach a wider audience.

    These days though the awards are just a virtue signaling exercise.Already I’m seeing lots of “ Oh look! Jane Campion is the first WOMAN director to get nominated twice “ and so forth.

    How is that virtue signaling from the audience's point of view? They have no control over what's selected. It's not any different than someone mentioning Spielberg's new records for producing/directing noms.

    They’re women and minorities. I guess celebrating their trivial but notable milestones triggers some people.
  • edited February 2022 Posts: 1,176
    matt_u wrote: »
    NTTD deserved a best picture nom.

    It speaks volumes that the two films that basically “saved theaters” after such an unprecedented pandemic that put the industry on the verge of collapse got just 4 nominations.

    By that measure,do you think Fast And Furious 9 should have gotten nominated for academy awards? ( it was the first film of the pandemic era to make over 700 million )
  • Posts: 14,806
    NTTD is easily my favorite picture of 2021. It was the only film I went to see last year. Seriously, I'm happy the film got the nominations it did, though.
    Even though I may not like many of the choices made on this particular Bond film, I do like that Eon stuck to their guns and just went for it.
    I'm going to guess the song will win. Kind of shows how much music tastes have changed over the decades. So many great and iconic Barry Bond themes were never nominated, yet songs like TWOTW not only get a nod but a win. I tend to think Eilish's song is no better or worse than TWOTW, but nowhere near as iconic as GF, YOLT, LALD, AVTAK, etc.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited February 2022 Posts: 5,205
    I think the Oscar-winning songs can be analogized to actors.

    Many actors don't get an Oscar early in their careers but later as kind of a lifetime achievement award. An example is Al Pacino, who surely should have gotten one for many of his wonderful performances in the '70s, but finally gets one for...Scent of a Woman?

    Similarly, a strong case could be made for GF, YOLT, LALD, and especially NDIB (which is widely considered one of the worst Oscar decisions).

    Boy, was 1977 a bad year for Oscar songs:

    https://www.goldderby.com/article/2018/oscar-best-original-song-1977-new-york-new-york-saturday-night-fever-snubbed/

    Listen how often the Oscar broadcasts reference LALD and NDIB even though the songs didn't actually win.

    So now, the Oscars are making up for the long-time snubs of all these great songs by giving it to SF, TWOTW, and yes, probably NTTD.
  • edited February 2022 Posts: 1,176
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    NTTD is easily my favorite picture of 2021. It was the only film I went to see last year. Seriously, I'm happy the film got the nominations it did, though.
    Even though I may not like many of the choices made on this particular Bond film, I do like that Eon stuck to their guns and just went for it.
    I'm going to guess the song will win. Kind of shows how much music tastes have changed over the decades. So many great and iconic Barry Bond themes were never nominated, yet songs like TWOTW not only get a nod but a win. I tend to think Eilish's song is no better or worse than TWOTW, but nowhere near as iconic as GF, YOLT, LALD, AVTAK, etc.

    Well if NTTD is the only new movie you went to see last year...chances are it’s your favourite film of the year! 😂

  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Unless I’m mistaken, I think he meant IN THEATERS?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I also figured he meant theaters. I only saw two in cinemas last year but neither of them were my overall favorite of the year, NTTD included.
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