What's your favourite 'final' Connery Bond movie?

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  • Posts: 12,243
    A gritty DAF with Lazenby, Savalas, and Marc-Ange would have been truly something. I think it’s the greatest Bond-film-that-never-was.

    Absolutely. One of the great what-ifs ever, right along with a third Dalton film.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    A gritty DAF with Lazenby, Savalas, and Marc-Ange would have been truly something. I think it’s the greatest Bond-film-that-never-was.

    Absolutely. One of the great what-ifs ever, right along with a third Dalton film.

    We should make an Elimination Game of these what-if Bond films... we could add Quentin Tarantino's Brosnan Bond film... there may not be enough to make it compelling though.
  • FoxRox wrote: »
    A gritty DAF with Lazenby, Savalas, and Marc-Ange would have been truly something. I think it’s the greatest Bond-film-that-never-was.

    Absolutely. One of the great what-ifs ever, right along with a third Dalton film.

    We should make an Elimination Game of these what-if Bond films... we could add Quentin Tarantino's Brosnan Bond film... there may not be enough to make it compelling though.

    We actually did just this pretty recently. An elimination game of alternative Bond film possibilities.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    A gritty DAF with Lazenby, Savalas, and Marc-Ange would have been truly something. I think it’s the greatest Bond-film-that-never-was.

    Absolutely. One of the great what-ifs ever, right along with a third Dalton film.

    We should make an Elimination Game of these what-if Bond films... we could add Quentin Tarantino's Brosnan Bond film... there may not be enough to make it compelling though.

    We actually did just this pretty recently. An elimination game of alternative Bond film possibilities.

    Oh really? Gonna dig that up...
  • FoxRox wrote: »
    A gritty DAF with Lazenby, Savalas, and Marc-Ange would have been truly something. I think it’s the greatest Bond-film-that-never-was.

    Absolutely. One of the great what-ifs ever, right along with a third Dalton film.

    We should make an Elimination Game of these what-if Bond films... we could add Quentin Tarantino's Brosnan Bond film... there may not be enough to make it compelling though.

    We actually did just this pretty recently. An elimination game of alternative Bond film possibilities.

    Oh really? Gonna dig that up...

    The Great What If Elimination Game

    https://www.mi6community.com/discussion/20367/the-great-what-if-elimination-game
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Interesting. I guess "Third Dalton Film" won. I definitely went through a Dalton-obsessed phase, but I'd want a proper follow up to OHMSS more than anything else.
  • Interesting. I guess "Third Dalton Film" won. I definitely went through a Dalton-obsessed phase, but I'd want a proper follow up to OHMSS more than anything else.

    A second Lazenby, third Dalton, and fifth Brosnan are the three I would most like to see.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Would you be interested in the fifth Brosnan being the Quentin Tarantino Casino Royale? Or would you want something else?
  • I would love to have seen Tarantino's Casino Royale. I think that would have been a blast. It would certainly have been Brosnan's best performance as Bond, and given Tarantino's directorial prowess it would simply have been a terrific film all around.

    I have also heard that Everything or Nothing has a very strong storyline and know that that has been touted as a better way for Brosnan to end his run. A more sci-fi/escapist final fifth outing for Brosnan would have suited me just fine as well.
  • M16_Cart wrote: »
    Connery’s best swan song as Bond isn’t from any film, but his performance in the 2005 From Russia With Love video game.

    His voice acting in it was awful. Again, he's remembered only for the fact that he returned to the role - rather than the quality.

    And because he was such a high profile actor, and the studio felt lucky to have him, they never asked him to re-do some of his poorly delivered lines.

    He's gotten away with this, because people enable him and fawn him so much.

    Connery hasn't turned in a good Bond performance since the mid 60's.

    I disagree entirely on his voice acting. I can understand why it might be jarring for some people to hear an older Connery’s voice coming from a 3D younger Connery, but the man still delivers an excellent voice performance in the game, and it adds an authenticity to the game itself. Not to mention, the I find the From Russia With Love video game to be much more satisfying as an experience than sitting through and watching DAF, NSNA, and The Rock. It’s Connery going back to relive some of the glory of the earlier films, and that’s why I’m all for it.

    Now where I will agree with you is Connery’s decline as Bond following Thunderball. But in all honesty, he was kind of getting screwed over by Broccoli and Saltzmen. After finding out Dean Martin was being payed more to star in Bond spoofs than he was playing Bond, and not having the producers listening to his creative suggestions for the character, Connery just got fed up. Does that excuse his boredom in YOLT? No, but he’s at least still got some of the charm and twinkle from the earlier films in the likes of DAF and NSNA, it’s just not consistent.
  • Diamonds Are Forever is in my Top 3 favorite Bond films. So DAF.

    ...and The Rock isn't a Bond film so...

    Now we have the annoying codename theory as well as the people who think The Rock is a Bond film to deal with now.
  • DAF by quite a bit.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Diamonds Are Forever is in my Top 3 favorite Bond films. So DAF.

    ...and The Rock isn't a Bond film so...

    Now we have the annoying codename theory as well as the people who think The Rock is a Bond film to deal with now.

    I said Mason was a code name, not Bond ..
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    DAF
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    DAF by quite a bit.

    Same here, but if YOLT was on the list, that would be my choice.
  • edited December 2021 Posts: 624
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Diamonds Are Forever is in my Top 3 favorite Bond films. So DAF.

    ...and The Rock isn't a Bond film so...

    Now we have the annoying codename theory as well as the people who think The Rock is a Bond film to deal with now.

    I said Mason was a code name, not Bond ..

    I meant that there's two persistent (and annoying) fan theories that keep popping up. One is that The Rock is a Bond movie. The other is that Connery through Brosnan is a different man using James Bond is a codename. Neither are true.

    Besides, Connery had 3 "final" movies where he played a character actually named James Bond: You Only Live Twice, Diamonds Are Forever, and Never Say Never Again.

    YOLT has been replaced with a movie that isn't even in the Bond universe.

    I'd vote for YOLT as the best final Connery Bond film, but out of your options, I chose DAF. :D
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Definitely DAF for me, though I also have a fondness for NSNA as well.

    The Rock, though an ok action film, is not a Bond film for me. I’m actually very glad Michael Bay never had the chance to screw up a Bond film.

    Someone mentioned Entrapment, I rather like that one too. Don’t consider it a Bond film of course but I would say that if The Rock is one, Entrapment can be one too.

    Same goes of course for The Matador, as @Birdleson pointed out, as well as The Wild Geese, Looney Tunes: Back in Action, and that episode of Alfred Hitchcock presents with George Lazenby.

    Personally I like it when a former Bond has a blast playing a similar character, but surely we can only speak of a Bond film when it features a character with the name James Bond, right?
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    In my case, I certainly don't consider any of those other films to be Bond films. They just have Bondian qualities, some more, some less. Whatever they are, it is interesting to contrast them.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I initially bristled at the idea of THE ROCK being included, partly because it’s not a Bond film, mainly because I didn’t even like the movie, but then I remembered that I’ve long considered MATADOR to be Brosnan’s retired Bond , so I guess I can’t really say anything about it.

    Anyway, why didn’t you include YOLT? He emphatically said he was done at that point. That would be my favorite. The other three giving us chronologically diminishing returns.

    Matador? I like that one a lot, but November Man feels more Bondian to me!
  • M16_CartM16_Cart Craig fanboy?
    edited December 2021 Posts: 538
    DAF is a funny a movie, but only ironically. An old overweight Connery looking befuddled as he's wrestling with Bambi and Thumper is ironically hilarious.

    Because this used to be the same guy that had memorable performances in believable films. How'd we get from the train fight in From Russia With Love, all the way to Bambi and Thumper; the shift is dramatic.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson Moderator
    edited December 2021 Posts: 2,161
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I initially bristled at the idea of THE ROCK being included, partly because it’s not a Bond film, mainly because I didn’t even like the movie, but then I remembered that I’ve long considered MATADOR to be Brosnan’s retired Bond , so I guess I can’t really say anything about it.

    Anyway, why didn’t you include YOLT? He emphatically said he was done at that point. That would be my favorite. The other three giving us chronologically diminishing returns.

    Matador? I like that one a lot, but November Man feels more Bondian to me!

    I do enjoy NOVEMNBER MAN, and that one is closer to a Bond film in tone, for sure, but with MATADOR he was intentionally taking a bit of a dig after being fired. At least I remember it being framed that way at the time. So funny to see Brosnan as an aging burnt out assassin, just drinking his days away, sleeping with middle-aged mothers. Still with the quips, but sharper and darker and far more uncomfortable.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson Moderator
    edited December 2021 Posts: 2,161
    M16_Cart wrote: »
    How'd we get from the train fight in From Russia With Love, all the way to Bambi and Thumper; the shift is dramatic.

    That is what I keeping thinking of SF's denouement to NTTD's. We have everything being set up in place; new Moneypenny, new Q, new M, and Bond is ready to get back to work. Here we go! I was so ready for a series of great adventures. One film later he retires, next one he dies. Going by number of years, I guess it makes sense, but two films later just fells like I got gypped somewhere along the way.
  • Casino Royale- New Agent
    Quantum of Solace- Licence Revoked, Rogue Agent
    Skyfall- Retired, played out, reinstalled as agent
    SPECTRE- Rogue, but in his prime, retired at end
    No Time To Die- Still retired, reinstated, dead.

    We barely got a normal Bond film from DC. Closest we got was SPECTRE.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Casino Royale- New Agent
    Quantum of Solace- Licence Revoked, Rogue Agent
    Skyfall- Retired, played out, reinstalled as agent
    SPECTRE- Rogue, but in his prime, retired at end
    No Time To Die- Still retired, reinstated, dead.

    We barely got a normal Bond film from DC. Closest we got was SPECTRE.
    When you list it in my face like this, it makes it more apparent than ever to me why I like QOS the best....
  • None. I thought DAF and NSNA are both equally repulsive.

    YOLT should have been his last.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited December 2021 Posts: 17,687
    None. I thought DAF and NSNA are both equally repulsive.

    YOLT should have been his last.

    I really love YOLT. He was good in DAF, much more lively. He was actually fine in NSNA- it was just the movie around him that sucked.
    But he killed in The Rock!!!!
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    Entrapment

    Bond posing as an art thief in a Scottish castle to help out the CIA during his retirement.

    If you bring Entrapment into our little drama, the plot thickens. For me, Entrapment quickly shoots its way past NSNA and The Rock and lands very closely to DAF, to the point I don't which one will win. DAF is starting to sweat. Maybe it'll beat Entrapment, but it's not going to be an easy fight.

    Having given it more thought, DAF beats Entrapment. It was a difficult fight but DAF grabbed a fire extinguisher and filled Entrapment's face with foam before dropping it to the floor below.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    Entrapment

    Bond posing as an art thief in a Scottish castle to help out the CIA during his retirement.

    If you bring Entrapment into our little drama, the plot thickens. For me, Entrapment quickly shoots its way past NSNA and The Rock and lands very closely to DAF, to the point I don't which one will win. DAF is starting to sweat. Maybe it'll beat Entrapment, but it's not going to be an easy fight.

    Having given it more thought, DAF beats Entrapment. It was a difficult fight but DAF grabbed a fire extinguisher and filled Entrapment's face with foam before dropping it to the floor below.

    :)) But of course.
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    This tread makes me want to watch THE ROCK again.
    I actually haven't seen it since it came out in '96. I remember quite loving it at the time.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    This tread makes me want to watch THE ROCK again.
    I actually haven't seen it since it came out in '96. I remember quite loving it at the time.

    It's really something. Not quite as good as Outland, but close. More action...
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