NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - Critical Reaction and Box Office Performance

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  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded Riding a white swan to Matera
    edited October 2021 Posts: 12,436
    What is the number we are hoping Bond will have at the opening weekend in the U.S.? 80 million?
    Movies always drop off 2nd week, of course. I hope this one has a lengthy run. I always want Bond films to do great box office, but this one more than most.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited October 2021 Posts: 4,264
    Over the last week we had projections lifting from $55 to $100 million. Who knows. Basically an over performance hinges on older adults, the most reluctant to go to the movies. One thing is for sure: Fandango reports that advance tickets sales are ahead of Venom 2, with Bond bound to be the biggest 007 advance ticket seller for the service. Bond’s biggest opening weekend was SF that grossed $90 million.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    What is the number we are hoping Bond will have at the opening weekend in the U.S.? 80 million?
    Movies always drop off 2nd week, of course. I hope this one has a lengthy run. I always want Bond films to do great box office, but this one more than most.

    Current projections have the North American weekend opening between $60 and $70 million.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded Riding a white swan to Matera
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    Thanks to you all for the info!
  • Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
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    I do wonder how many people (and I’d say it’s a good number) are in the mindset of “I’m going to skip the crowds of the opening week(s) and will see the movie once the theaters aren’t as packed”.

    This could give NTTD more legs than previous releases.
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    I do wonder how many people (and I’d say it’s a good number) are in the mindset of “I’m going to skip the crowds of the opening week(s) and will see the movie once the theaters aren’t as packed”.

    This could give NTTD more legs than previous releases.

    Pandemic aside, I usually wait upwards of a month to see each MCU entry.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    US early release Wed/tonight 7pm on an IMAX screen.

    My theater was full. The audience applauded when the trailers finished and before the film even began. Good reactions to the thrills and humor throughout. They were all in.

    Easily 20% of the audience remained to the very end of the credits and responded to the James Bond Will Return notice.

  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython Omaha, NE
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    Audience score on RT is currently 90%.

    Let’s see how many try to spoil that.
  • I do wonder how many people (and I’d say it’s a good number) are in the mindset of “I’m going to skip the crowds of the opening week(s) and will see the movie once the theaters aren’t as packed”.

    This could give NTTD more legs than previous releases.

    Very good point


  • I think NTTD hits $300m worldwide this weekend. Which is pretty close to the final grosses for Tenet and Black Widow. That's wildly impressive, especially considering this is only its first or second weekend in many markets. It also still has China to go! I think NTTD has a chance at beating F9 as the Hollywood pandemic hit of 2021.

    The question now is how high can it go? I think it'll touch CR's gross and possibly close in on $700m. If it outgrosses Spectre, that would be close to a miracle. Regardless, this is a testimony to Barbara Broccoli for waiting out the pandemic to release theatrically. One thing I am emphatic about, is that NTTD will not top Venom's $90m domestic opening. It'll hit $70m - which is still damn good!

    One thing is clear, Cary is probably the toast of Hollywood this week. The first big win for him since True Detective. This will cement his place on the Hollywood director's A-list. I wonder what he will do with this new cache. The film is currently sitting at 84% on Rotten Tomatoes.

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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Audience score on RT is currently 90%.

    Let’s see how many try to spoil that.

    That's the thing, isn't it? "Honest" scores are hard to maintain. People can quickly go from "I don't really like this film" to "2%", which equals the average cell phone video we make by accidentally touching the screen.
  • Posts: 295
    I saw NTTD last night in a packed theater. The audience was great. People clapped at the end. Heard some people crying. It’s what cinema was made for. Going again with another group of friends tonight.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    That's great to hear. I'm planning to see it a fourth time, this time finally in English.
  • 00Heaven00Heaven Home
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    matt_u wrote: »
    That's great to hear. I'm planning to see it a fourth time, this time finally in English.

    You're in for a treat.
  • Bond is more relevant now than ever. Mission Impossible films are fun but nowhere near as powerful and enduring as Bond movies.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    00Heaven wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    That's great to hear. I'm planning to see it a fourth time, this time finally in English.

    You're in for a treat.

    In Italian those morons changed “we have all the time in the world” to “we have all the time that we want”.
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
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    Burgess wrote: »
    I saw NTTD last night in a packed theater. The audience was great. People clapped at the end. Heard some people crying. It’s what cinema was made for. Going again with another group of friends tonight.

    I would have loved such a crowd.
    matt_u wrote: »
    00Heaven wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    That's great to hear. I'm planning to see it a fourth time, this time finally in English.

    You're in for a treat.

    In Italian those morons changed “we have all the time in the world” to “we have all the time that we want”.

    Wow, that is annoying. They translated it the right way in german but I also preferred the english screening.

    Safin talks normal in the german dub, without any accent. I'm not sure what I prefer...
  • baerrttbaerrtt United kingdom
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    Bond is more relevant now than ever. Mission Impossible films are fun but nowhere near as powerful and enduring as Bond movies.

    I've enjoyed the MI entries since Ghost Protocol but their appeal boils down to 'see Tom Cruise nearly get killed on screen doing stunts!' and I find myself not going back to them as much.
  • baerrtt wrote: »
    Bond is more relevant now than ever. Mission Impossible films are fun but nowhere near as powerful and enduring as Bond movies.

    I've enjoyed the MI entries since Ghost Protocol but their appeal boils down to 'see Tom Cruise nearly get killed on screen doing stunts!' and I find myself not going back to them as much.

    Plus Daniel Craig is a better more versatile actor in my opinion.
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    baerrtt wrote: »
    Bond is more relevant now than ever. Mission Impossible films are fun but nowhere near as powerful and enduring as Bond movies.

    I've enjoyed the MI entries since Ghost Protocol but their appeal boils down to 'see Tom Cruise nearly get killed on screen doing stunts!' and I find myself not going back to them as much.

    Plus Daniel Craig is a better more versatile actor in my opinion.
    Maybe he could pass off as a fighter pilot, a vietnam veteran, a contract killer, a rock star, a nazi colonel, a vampire and even a samurai, but it would take some serious convincing :-)
  • Hoping 007 has a spectacular weekend take in the US

  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded Riding a white swan to Matera
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    Saw this comment on twitter. How many people are going to wait a week or so to see it, just so it won't be so crowded then? (P.S. if you click into this new replies MAY spoilers; you never know)
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython Omaha, NE
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    Hoping 007 has a spectacular weekend take in the US

    Dog Bond!! Welcome back.
  • lol, thanks
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    ~Heavy spoilers~🍿
    ~Long Read~📖

    I think the overall problem with this movie is that they are trying to pick up the pieces left behind from spectre, and none of whats in that movie landed or felt legitimate or earned. I Actually like Lea Seydoux as an actress who played Madeline and was excited that she was the new bond girl in spectre, but the execution of their love story was so contrived, that in the end I really didn't care or believe it was a legitimate romance. Even the people who made that movie knows what's wrong with it. Why would they double down on it?

    The writing and execution in the first quarter of the this movie was pretty good up to a point but the basis for the characters just weren't there for me, again cuz it so heavily relies on spectre. You could call this spectre 2 tbh

    The concept of Bond having a child and the fact that it's a daughter on top of it Is actually a genius move as a concept on paper, its kinda like poetic justice for him. The idea that he has to really commit and care and actually be responsible for someone more than yourself. Having that character be his daughter could have been deeply profound in that way. They could have also addressed his relationship with women through the daughter character. That would be addressing the misogyny and faults in his character. Maybe even could address the vesper Lind history that made Bond unable to commit to any real relationships with women because of how his heart was basically ripped out of his chest by Vesper. I'll give Daniel Craig this, he knocked it out of the park with this movie in terms of his acting, especially in a few key scenes. He made me really feel like he realises his life has just turned upside down the moment he saw his daughters eyes. He genuinely made me tear up couple times in the film if I'm being honest. Any scene with Bond and his daughter was elevated by Craig's acting, and almost made up for some of the lackluster writing in the film. He made me really feel Bonds urgency and angst from her safety being in jeopardy. The daughter aspect, if it was utilised more and written better, could have had the potential to make this something really special and powerful. You could potentially really disect Bond through the daughter character, break his character down, address his issues and still feel like everything organically came together, cuz there could be a central focal point for it all, his new daughter. Come to think of it, it's actually not that dissimilar to the concept of what they did for wolverine in Logan.

    Ok...Ana de armas was a total smoke show in this role! Holy hell she was good. Her character was badass, playful and intrigueing and that made her even sexier. I didn't think she could get more attractive but this role definitely did it. She should have been Bonds sidekick throughout the movie and become friends with him instead, moving away from a potentially cliched romance. Maybe there could have been a throughline in the film with him becoming sort of her mentor along the way since he's pretty much the most seasoned agent and she's insecure with how good she is. You can even still have the "saying no" scene later in the movie as their partnership grows and maybe some awkwardness leading to a back and forth conversation. Maybe he tells her about Vesper. Wnatever. Something like that would have felt organic, served as character development for Bond and some more three-dimensional depth to her character. Makes the "saying no" moment maybe actually mean something in the movie rather than a throwaway comedic jab at Bonds character.

    LaShawna Lynch was fine. The hate for this movie for her being 007 and ppl just assuming that this is more of her movie than James bonds or she's taking power away from Bond and she's taking over, screw feminism, PC agenda pushing bitches, etc etc... I never subscribed to any of that nonsense. It's almost like people are trained and groomed these days to react like that without ever giving anything a chance....hey wait a minute🤔. I like her as an actress, was looking forward to see her performance. Problem is I never understood her character's initial hostility with Bond, I was like why is she going undercover and manipulating him into bringing her back to his place just to stick it to him and show him up. Could of had the same conversation in a different way maybe in a conventional way, idk doesn't matter. I have a feeling that her character doesn't like Bond for his history of misogyny and filandering, but nothing about him as an agent. So the writers prolly decided they should have her characters main reason for not liking bond to actually be a general critique of men in society??? not cuz she has a grudge against him, or he always sucked at his job, or from some personal altercation with him. That's the type of shoehorning of PC agendas that sane ppl of the audience are talking about. Give her a real reason not to like Bond and you can still have her give him shit about his relationship with women. Also you'd think they would have just started out as platonic competition instead of trying to one up and literary sabotage each other's missions when they both have literally the same goal, especially when the stakes are potentially so high. You think maybe she would look up to bond a little, wouldn't the new agents and recruits look up to bond? Wouldn't they all want to secretly be like him, not as a person, but as an agent? Since when is going by the book and putting down your legendary predecessors an interesting character trait. Aren't you supposed to like her by the end of the movie? They didn't give any real scene or event that gets them to respect each other to follow through on squashing the animosity, so what was the whole point? At least Naomi Harris's character didn't have all this nonsense. No newcomer is just going to give a middle finger to the previous guy when he's freaking James Bond, he should be a legend amongst new agents. This whole thing of Bond being out of his time and too old was addressed in Skyfall and spectre so that stuff felt tired. I have no problem with the ideals that were being pushed to be PC and give Bond some me too'ing, but the execution is too forced. At least itsl not as bad as Disney's Star wars tho. There is a way to do this people, organically, where it doesn't feel like a soapbox.

    Side note, felt the action was a bit underwhelming in this movie. It peaked with the scene in the first half with that goon shooting away at Madeline's window in the car and James just letting it happen while he deliberates wether to trust her or not. Great Bond moment and was narratively creative. This whole scene is totally Bond and badass. You believe Bond would be an asshole and do something like that. For the most part though this series has lost its edge especially in the action scenes, starting with some parts of Skyfall and heavily with spectre. They just came across as made to look pretty and expensive and putting more effort into the camera work trying to get everything in one one shots rather than making the action actually exciting. You guys remember the parkour scene leading to the shootout at the embassy in Casino Royale?! Those action scenes have so much edge to them, you feel the danger bond is in. Editing is one of the most important components to action scenes and these just feel like constantly unnecessary long takes. Now we even have parts where he is just walking right out in the open, firing his gun vaguely in bad guys direction, on a set that probably costed 1/4 of the movies budget. Even holding his gun from the hip at times and still casually just hitting his mark every time. All the while with the bond theme blaring in the background. Did the same thing in spectre at the desert scene. Just seemed like a total waste and honestly a bit lazy. The SUV Chase was ok I guess but it has Bond literally nudging his car into the bad guys cars just once and they go flying in to some convenient obstacle or hit a ramp that launches them into a flip. A lot of the action is like this and it comes off as just lazy even though they spend hundreds of millions of dollars making these movies.

    All that being said I didn't hate the movie, if you watch it just as a spy drama it's not that bad. I didn't get bored really that much even tho it's almost 3 hrs. So take that for what it's worth. There's annoying bits of comedy and one liners that come off as awkward rather than funny. Always thought that kind of stuff didnt fit for Craig's films. Rami Malek was good, but underrutilized. His characters ultimate goal was not really clearly defined, at least to me, but I think he served his purpose in the movie. Nothing more nothing less. For me I didn't mind bond dieing, and the film for the most part earned it, was done decently enough.

    It's certainly better than quantum of solace and spectre. A serviceable end to Daniel Craig's era. Although, I have noticed things about these last 3 films and they make me feel that ever since The Dark Knight came out, the people behind these films have been trying to copy Chris Nolan's aesthetics, that should stop. But that's a whole nother conversation.

    Thanks for reading.
  • Posts: 2,383
    Third viewing tonight. Proper IMAX at Toronto Scotiabank (I actually don't think yesterday's was REALLY IMAX as I didn't notice any aspect ratio shifts the way I VERY much did this time; the premiere was definitely NOT IMAX as it was in one of the other auditoriums). House was about 3/4 full less COVID-related seating gaps, which is really impressive considering this was a 10:45 pm screening.

    About half of the crowd stayed for the end credits, and whereas yesterday saw a quick clearing and a very muted response from the few people left, tonight's screening was met with considerable cheers when
    "JAMES BOND WILL RETURN" faded up on the screen
    . I asked two random people after what they thought, they both thoroughly enjoyed the movie and were discussing their schedules re: when they can come back to see it a second time.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    That’s good. The word of mouth must be stellar and it looks like it’s gonna be the case.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython Omaha, NE
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    People applauded at the end of my IMAX screening on Wednesday.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I was underwhelmed by the turnout at the 4 pm showing I attended yesterday. I don't think there were even 10 other people there (though it was a theater in the middle of nowhere in Maryland, so perhaps that helped. I saw the midnight release of The Dark Knight at the same theater and I've still never come close to seeing an opening night that packed and busy.
  • AntiLocqueBrakesAntiLocqueBrakes The edge
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I was underwhelmed by the turnout at the 4 pm showing I attended yesterday. I don't think there were even 10 other people there (though it was a theater in the middle of nowhere in Maryland, so perhaps that helped. I saw the midnight release of The Dark Knight at the same theater and I've still never come close to seeing an opening night that packed and busy.

    I live in a small college town and the turnout was decent for Thursday at 6:30 p.m.

    Felt like a funeral when we walked out though.
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