NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - Critical Reaction and Box Office Performance

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  • The US box-office is the largest individual chunk of the worldwide BO pie, so studios try to make back as much money as possible in this market. Licence To Kill did somewhat poorly in the US market which is one reason why it gets panned, even if it made up for it in the rest of the world.
  • Whatever NTTD makes at the BO isn't really relevant. We're getting Bond 26 regardless.
  • Bond has always been more popular outside North America anyway so it doesn't surprise me.
  • RainyRainy Skyfall
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    Insider on Box Office Theory says that today is looking better for the box office, numbers later!
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    Bond has always been more popular outside North America anyway so it doesn't surprise me.

    Not sure if he's always been, but now American audiences are less important than they used to be.
  • Posts: 625
    Bond has always been more popular outside North America anyway so it doesn't surprise me.

    That's how it is and always was.

    Here in Germany Bond is bigger than Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Marvel, DC, Mission Impossible,
    Fast & Furious etc.
    Bond is THE movie experience.

    In the US Bond is just one of many film franchises.
  • Box office figures for the rest of the world have been scarce all week, but I'm hoping Bond has a worldwide cumulative of about 300m by the end of this weekend
  • RainyRainy Skyfall
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    In case it was missed last night. NTTD received an A- cinemascore.

    Also currently has a 89% on RT Audience Reviews after 1000+ verified reviews. That's actually the highest since CR got a 90% with audiences. (Skyfall had gotten an 86%).
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Rainy wrote: »
    In case it was missed last night. NTTD received an A- cinemascore.

    Also currently has a 89% on RT Audience Reviews after 1000+ verified reviews. That's actually the highest since CR got a 90% with audiences. (Skyfall had gotten an 86%).

    That’s promising.
  • Posts: 14,799
    Rainy wrote: »
    In case it was missed last night. NTTD received an A- cinemascore.

    Also currently has a 89% on RT Audience Reviews after 1000+ verified reviews. That's actually the highest since CR got a 90% with audiences. (Skyfall had gotten an 86%).

    If nothing it's a critical and "popular" success.
  • RainyRainy Skyfall
    edited October 2021 Posts: 40
    Early predictions from insiders is 18.5-19mil for Saturday in the US.

    Edit: Predictions are now 55-56M for the weekend. Lower end of the initial expectations. Not great for the US showing, but it does seem to be doing well internationally, what can you do?

    Edit 2: Updated international numbers

  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Rainy wrote: »
    In case it was missed last night. NTTD received an A- cinemascore.

    Also currently has a 89% on RT Audience Reviews after 1000+ verified reviews. That's actually the highest since CR got a 90% with audiences. (Skyfall had gotten an 86%).

    IMDb rating hasn’t dropped for several days now. Guess the a balanced influx of positive and negative votes is keeping it from moving.
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    Hey willy, I know you've been here since Craig was breastfeeding so yeah, I don't mind if you vent. I'm just feeling the opposite....Craig's Bond was always in a different continuity...I'm glad they shook up the formula. There were tears on my face so it impacted me, just not negatively.

    Hey Doggie! Welcome back! 🥳

  • Posts: 3,272
    Minion wrote: »
    And yet, you feel the need to cast your net to every thread to stomp on that enthusiasm. You’re not beholden to like NTTD, it’s just disappointing how eager you are to try and rain on everyone else’s parade. There’s a more constructive way to go about what you’re doing, but less fun I suppose than acting the bully.

    I guess I'm still too annoyed by what they have done to the franchise, and I still need to vent my anger some place. I've been a member here since 2005, so feel I can do this on the forum. I haven't felt this pissed off with a Bond film since DAD.

    If it is upsetting for anyone to read these posts, then apologies.
    I've seen the film 3 times and over the weekend will go through most of the comments of the last week.

    Sight unseen, I will say from the start there's an obvious difference between repeated positive versus repeated negative comments. Or as put above: venting anger. They're not not the same level of civility and public discourse. The analogy I use is: you don't go to a good restaurant and keep repeating a dislike for a selection on the menu. Any point can be made to express a view, that's normally welcomed. But chronically complaining gets into behavior and disruption, especially when the subject is the latest Bond film during its release.

    It's not about civil rights and free expression and being entitled to speak one's mind. More empathy and respect for folks that simply like the film.

    Fair enough.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    edited October 2021 Posts: 357
    Jan1985 wrote: »
    Bond has always been more popular outside North America anyway so it doesn't surprise me.

    That's how it is and always was.

    Here in Germany Bond is bigger than Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Marvel, DC, Mission Impossible,
    Fast & Furious etc.
    Bond is THE movie experience.
    In the US Bond is just one of many film franchises.

    Yes, it is always interesting consider the differences between the US domestic market and the rest of the World

    On inflation corrected figures, TB comes out comfortably on top in the US, while SF is far and away the most popular Bond film ever in the rest of the World (My source suggests the arrival of China as a major market may account for this)

    Second place goes to GF in the US and to LALD in the rest of the World (Rogers reign getting off to a better start than it is given credit for)

    SF makes it's appearance in third place in the US, while SP takes third place in the rest of the World (the China effect again?)

    4th and 5th go to YOLT and DAF in the US, while TB and GF take those spots in the rest of the World (Connery rules!)

    Further down Moonraker and DAD place above SP and CR in the US, suggesting that a return to the lighter touch is more likely to succeed over there.

    It will be very interesting to see where NTTD ends up in the rankings in this Covid affected market

    PS;- And the unanimous bottom four, wherever you are on the planet, seem to be LTK, TLD, AVTAK and TMWTGG (sorry Timothy!)

  • RainyRainy Skyfall
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    Curious if you guys have seen packed theaters at your latest showings. I had a packed one in the US on Fri night.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I had one at IMAX Wednesday and a regular theater on Friday.

    There was an unfortunate disruption at the IMAX screening during the pre-titles with a person wearing a gas mask complaining about reserved seating. Ushers took awhile to escort him out, but thankfully action kicked in to cloud his complaining. By the time the titles kicked in the masked man was gone.
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    A lot of folks aren’t aware of Thursday showings. Years ago Thursday showings used to start at 10pm. Before that it was Friday midnight. My friends were surprised that I went to a Wednesday IMAX screening because they thought it wasn’t out until Friday, as Oct 8 was what was heavily promoted in marketing.

    You are in the US aren’t you makeshiftpython?

    I am.

    Same here. How are the crowds for NTTD in your area? Sorry if you’ve already explained.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Both packed houses at the two screenings I saw.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    The US numbers are very disappointing. That’s lower than QoS.
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    Seve wrote: »
    Second place goes to GF in the US and to LALD in the rest of the World (Rogers reign getting off to a better start than it is given credit for)

    That’s astonishing news about LALD. I had no idea.

    I like LALD more than most here but I am still amazed it’s the second biggest grosser outside the US.
  • Seve wrote: »
    Jan1985 wrote: »
    Bond has always been more popular outside North America anyway so it doesn't surprise me.

    That's how it is and always was.

    Here in Germany Bond is bigger than Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Marvel, DC, Mission Impossible,
    Fast & Furious etc.
    Bond is THE movie experience.
    In the US Bond is just one of many film franchises.

    Yes, it is always interesting consider the differences between the US domestic market and the rest of the World

    On inflation corrected figures, TB comes out comfortably on top in the US, while SF is far and away the most popular Bond film ever in the rest of the World (My source suggests the arrival of China as a major market may account for this)

    Second place goes to GF in the US and to LALD in the rest of the World (Rogers reign getting off to a better start than it is given credit for)

    SF makes it's appearance in third place in the US, while SP takes third place in the rest of the World (the China effect again?)

    4th and 5th go to YOLT and DAF in the US, while TB and GF take those spots in the rest of the World (Connery rules!)

    Further down Moonraker and DAD place above SP and CR in the US, suggesting that a return to the lighter touch is more likely to succeed over there.

    It will be very interesting to see where NTTD ends up in the rankings in this Covid affected market

    PS;- And the unanimous bottom four, wherever you are on the planet, seem to be LTK, TLD, AVTAK and TMWTGG (sorry Timothy!)

    The barometer of a quality Bond movie is clearly not the US market.


  • Sadly, the headlines earlier this week projecting $100m have not come to fruition. In fact, the trade headlines projecting $60m may have been a little too optimistic. It looks as though NTTD will debut at $55-56m domestically (a much softer opening than expected). This is the lowest opening for a Bond since CR.

    I think many are pointing to the fact that Bond skews older and that audience are just not going back to cinemas in the USA. It's teenage boys who are racing back and they love Marvel and Fast and Furious movies. They think Bond is something their father enjoys. Nonetheless, it's a different picture internationally where NTTD will cross $300m by the end of today. It just goes to show that Bond is really a franchise built predominately for European audiences (especially the UK and Germany).

    The US numbers do paint an interesting picture though....Mainly as it really emphasises the need to reboot the character. Bond needs a younger actor to give it a contemporary edge. NTTD is a very old fashioned Bond film by design. It's meant to be the culmination film for Craig's tenure and there is a fair degree of fan service in the film. Whilst the point is being made that older audiences are not turning up in droves for NTTD, the real point is that younger audiences are ambivalent. If the franchise is to survive for another 20 years, it needs to update and we need a younger Bond. Perhaps one of these guys...........

    zV7olCa.png


  • Sadly, the headlines earlier this week projecting $100m have not come to fruition. In fact, the trade headlines projecting $60m may have been a little too optimistic. It looks as though NTTD will debut at $55-56m domestically (a much softer opening than expected). This is the lowest opening for a Bond since CR.

    I think many are pointing to the fact that Bond skews older and that audience are just not going back to cinemas in the USA. It's teenage boys who are racing back and they love Marvel and Fast and Furious movies. They think Bond is something their father enjoys. Nonetheless, it's a different picture internationally where NTTD will cross $300m by the end of today. It just goes to show that Bond is really a franchise built predominately for European audiences (especially the UK and Germany).

    The US numbers do paint an interesting picture though....Mainly as it really emphasises the need to reboot the character. Bond needs a younger actor to give it a contemporary edge. NTTD is a very old fashioned Bond film by design. It's meant to be the culmination film for Craig's tenure and there is a fair degree of fan service in the film. Whilst the point is being made that older audiences are not turning up in droves for NTTD, the real point is that younger audiences are ambivalent. If the franchise is to survive for another 20 years, it needs to update and we need a younger Bond. Perhaps one of these guys...........

    zV7olCa.png

    Very good points made re box office but I don't want a younger actor just to pander to the younger US demographic. If it suits the direction EON want to go fair enough but im actually I'm proud that Europe/ Rest of world is proving that Bond is a global phenomenon and not dependent on one market that doesn't "get" a grittier/ "closer to Fleming" iteration of the character. Tim Daltons films faltered in the States for this reason. I just hope we don't back to the Roger Moore/ Pierce Brosnan light hearted versions (as enjoyable as they were at the time) just to get a bigger slice of the "American pie".
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    As I said a few weeks ago, the US isn’t nearly as enamored with Bond as it is with other franchises.

    What especially makes it different is that it’s more “grown up” than Marvel, Fast & Furious, etc. at the second screening I went to there was a couple who brought their ten year old boy, and he was constantly complaining about how bored he was. Can’t really blame him. When there’s no action it’s far more “talky” and the humor isn’t overplayed like with other popular blockbuster films. Ultimately I think the six year gap made US interest lesser. Not the case in Europe obviously, because Bond is more an international phenomenon. Less so in the US.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    edited October 2021 Posts: 4,043
    I couldn't give a damn about the U.S, Venom Carnage grossing the amount it has says it all.

    I wouldn't say comic book movies are the lowest common denominator, well I might because I really have had enough of them but to add some balance I know some of them are made with some care and attention but having now seen the Venom Carnage trailer 3 times, that just looks like garbage, literally.

    They'll just put out anything these days, I hope Andy Serkis enjoyed his pay packet and Robert Richardson, I suppose he's got to eat. Deakins was snotty about Bond but seriously....

    The UK is lapping this up, the spiritual home of Bond and its going down well in Europe, if it makes the money it needs to without the U.S, what is the big deal?

    As someone said the U.S is becoming even more irrelevant as time goes on, I normally have no dog in this fight because blockbuster leave me cold, Bond and the odd other film like Dune will get my money.

    Blockbusters aren't looking to appeal to a nearly 50 year old man who prefers story over whizz bang effects, so trying to appeal to my demographic is not a concern of Hollywood.

    There is disengaging the brain for some fun but the constant wash of CGI just hurts my head and watching the new Spiderman trailer now 3 times as well, can these films function without employing Deus Ex Machina, yet another time travel solution to progress things on.

    Maybe Bond is the left vestige of a fallible characters that doesn't use sci-fi so explicitly to get itself out of a hole. I know they are far fetched but Bond isn't George Smiley and it should never be.

    Even though the Craig films have grounded the character and given it more depth, these films are still fantastical and should always be but it makes you wonder what might happen in the wrong hands.

    If Bond does ever slips out of the hands of the Broccoli family like some would seem to like, seeing they have had the character ruined in this recent film. This is more of a reality with Amazon moving to take ownership of MGM.

    You think BB & EON have ruined it now, if this does at some point become owned by Amazon, get ready for them making TV shows etc. Also if Amazon had managed to get BB & MGW to sell it as part of this deal, I guarantee we would have got either a TV series or film series with Nomi as 007 with the MI6 team either in the same roles or recast in that timeline and possibly a Paloma show or films.

    BB & EON are committed to keeping these big screen experiences but if their situation changes, the dilution of the brand would be inevitable. Besos acquired MGM with the intention of handing BB & MGW a cheque to take control of Bond but thankfully BB gave him a colourful metaphor in response I believe.

    Be careful what you wish for....
  • QQ7QQ7 Croatia
    Posts: 371
    Personally, North American numbers don't surprise me the slightest. Especially in this Sci-Fi/superhero era of Hollywood.

    James Bond has always primarily pandered to British, and then rest of the European audience.
  • As an earlier poster said the US is being less relevant in terms of global box office. NTTD opens in China at end of month. That will be interesting. The Chinese market is the new Hollywood box office wise.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Sadly, the headlines earlier this week projecting $100m have not come to fruition. In fact, the trade headlines projecting $60m may have been a little too optimistic. It looks as though NTTD will debut at $55-56m domestically (a much softer opening than expected). This is the lowest opening for a Bond since CR.

    I think many are pointing to the fact that Bond skews older and that audience are just not going back to cinemas in the USA. It's teenage boys who are racing back and they love Marvel and Fast and Furious movies. They think Bond is something their father enjoys. Nonetheless, it's a different picture internationally where NTTD will cross $300m by the end of today. It just goes to show that Bond is really a franchise built predominately for European audiences (especially the UK and Germany).

    The US numbers do paint an interesting picture though....Mainly as it really emphasises the need to reboot the character. Bond needs a younger actor to give it a contemporary edge. NTTD is a very old fashioned Bond film by design. It's meant to be the culmination film for Craig's tenure and there is a fair degree of fan service in the film. Whilst the point is being made that older audiences are not turning up in droves for NTTD, the real point is that younger audiences are ambivalent. If the franchise is to survive for another 20 years, it needs to update and we need a younger Bond. Perhaps one of these guys...........

    zV7olCa.png

    Those $100m estimate numbers were from only one outlet and were never going to happen.
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 613
    Shardlake wrote: »
    The UK is lapping this up, the spiritual home of Bond and its going down well in Europe, if it makes the money it needs to without the U.S, what is the big deal?

    Many of the movies have little to do with Fleming, and we wouldn't even be sitting here posting on a message board about NTTD box office if it weren't for the efforts of a production company created by an American and a Canadian and currently owned and managed by two Americans.

    There is no "spiritual home" of Bond movies. They belong to everyone.
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