NTTD - Official Trailer Discussion Thread - First trailer OUT NOW (MINOR SPOILERS ALLOWED)

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  • edited December 2019 Posts: 4,353
    And he’s filed under Blofeld, rather than Oberhauser.
    Either they used information Blofeld supplied to them or the foster brother angle won’t be mentioned again.

    CJF has actually spoken about this in an interview.......
    https://www.gamesradar.com/uk/bond-25-trailer-breakdown-no-time-to-die-director-cary-joji-fukunaga/
    Would it be a stretch to say Blofeld is now helping Bond?

    I can’t tell you exactly what that relationship is there. But we’re trying to honour the legacy of the story, and what Blofeld’s meant for the Bond character for so long. In Spectre, they establish different roots to their relationship. So this film, I think in many ways, tries to continue that adversarial relationship. But obviously, with the obstruction that Blofeld’s in prison.


    Polite way of saying that Bro-feld is dead and Blofeld is alive! It'll probs just be an excuse to explain the characters have a 'history' nothing more. Then we are in the classic Bond v Blofeld dynamic.
  • PavloPavlo Ukraine
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    Contraband wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    Penpen wrote: »
    Contraband wrote: »
    The scene with stunt bike rider Paul E. jumping over the wall, was that shot with IMAX-cameras in any way? In the trailer they only showed it from the drone's view.
    Definitely some imax cameras used on it, it's an IMAX sequence. The drone may even have been digital rather than 35mm.
    Isn´t 35mm equipment heavy? I have difficulty imagining using a drone with a 35mm camera.

    Just read an random article about drones with IMAX-cameras on. Plus I got pics and video of the drone they used, and it's a big ass drone.

    No film drone can carry IMAX film (!) camera. Only IMAX digital cameras that are much less heavy and smaller. Photos we have with drone in NTTD, as for me, indicate that they use 35mm camera. It was definitely 35 mm camera for London filming.
  • Posts: 5,767
    Did anyone see Brie Larson tweet out about the trailer?



    I'm not surprised to see so many babies crying on twitter that Lashana seems rude and disrispectful in the trailer.

    Her character is a feisty, tough assassin. It's her job to kill on the orders for her government. She isn't supposed to be nice.

    Plus her character is far from unique. Her dialogue could have been said by Anya in TSWM, Holly in MR, Pam in LTK, Wai Lin in TND, Jinx in DAD, etc.

    Why is Nomi getting picked on so much more?
    Well, if nowadays a 00 agent´s only job is to kill people, then perhaps. Though when one reads in the media what kind of people kill other people, a lot of those folks don´t look at all as if they could or would kill anyone.
    But anyhow the last time I looked 00s were secret agents, which means their main job is to acquire intelligence, not to kill people. How often did James Bond get sent into the field in order to kill someone? Ususally he gets sent to find things out. And one big asset of any person to find things out is charme. I dare say female secret agents all over the world gathered a lot more intelligence by using charme than by using bullets.

    Another thing inviting negativity is not so much Nomi´s fault, but the writers´. The supposed knee joke. Why in the world would Bond´s knees be screwed up so much? I could halfway accept Silva making a remark about knees, since he came across as a bit excentric and insane, so he could say a lot of things and get away with them. But repeating the insinuation here seems pretty dumb. Bond when on duty has short periods of intensive physical stress, usually followed by periods of at least several months where he can recover and work out. So why the f should any of his body parts not be in good shape? And even if we would assume that 00s lead such a devastating life that in their early 50s they need crutches, it comes still across as rather dumb if Nomi says it to Bond, because being a 00 herself it means she ridicules her own future.

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    Well, in all fairness, with age, if nothing else, the knees are the first to go. So they're a bit symbolical. Nothing more to it, I gather. Mine are fine, btw, if someone's interested ;)
  • edited December 2019 Posts: 5,767
    @Univex, maybe, but I still have a hard time imagining that her Majesty´s finest assets shouldn´t be adamant to keep them in shape.
    A remark like the one Nomi makes would make sense in a film where the theme of employers wasting their human resources is brought up as a topic. I don´t see that here.
    But mabe the scene will hardly pop out during the whole film and I won´t notice it then :-).

    And I´m very glad to hear your knees are fine :-)!
  • Posts: 5,735
    boldfinger wrote: »
    @Univex, maybe, but I still have a hard time imagining that her Majesty´s finest assets shouldn´t be adamant to keep them in shape.
    A remark like the one Nomi makes would make sense in a film where the theme of employers wasting their human resources is brought up as a topic. I don´t see that here.
    But mabe the scene will hardly pop out during the whole film and I won´t notice it then :-).

    And I´m very glad to hear your knees are fine :-)!

    Thank you, old sport :-D

    Yes, well I think her sentence alludes to him being out of shape in a remote island, fishing. The old man and the sea, bad knees and all. But I didn't find it a superb line, to tell you the truth. I think they could've been more creative. But we don't know its context. Maybe there's more cracking lines in what seems to be a cracking first dynamic. We shall see :)
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
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    I would like to know if in the first scenes of the trailer there is something different to the way Bond and Madeleine were filmed. The scene is much more intense than Brosnan-Bond in GE, because the camera seems to center Craig's face, creating a feeling of hightened intensity. Does anyone know if there is a trick to it?
  • edited December 2019 Posts: 5,735
    zebrafish wrote: »
    I would like to know if in the first scenes of the trailer there is something different to the way Bond and Madeleine were filmed. The scene is much more intense than Brosnan-Bond in GE, because the camera seems to center Craig's face, creating a feeling of hightened intensity. Does anyone know if there is a trick to it?

    Well, in one scene (GE) it was intended to play with Bond's attention to both women, Xenia and the evaluator. In this one (NTTD) it's meant to play as a suspicion scene, so Bond is not looking her in the eye. Besides, they're being attacked and he has to keep his eyes on the road, and transfer all of his anger to the assailers. My two cents, anyway.

    Well spotted, @zebrafish.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 6,661
    Univex wrote: »
    zebrafish wrote: »
    I would like to know if in the first scenes of the trailer there is something different to the way Bond and Madeleine were filmed. The scene is much more intense than Brosnan-Bond in GE, because the camera seems to center Craig's face, creating a feeling of hightened intensity. Does anyone know if there is a trick to it?

    Well, in one scene (GE) it was intended to play with Bond's attention to both women, Xenia and the evaluator. In this one (NTTD) it's meant to play as a suspicion scene, so Bond is not looking her in the eye. Besides, they're being attacked and he has to keep his eyes on the road, and transfer all of his anger to the assailers. My two cents, anyway.

    Well spotted, @zebrafish.

    Some good, old fashioned, character focused camera shot choices. You love to see it.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    octofinger wrote: »
    A possible - and frankly rather upsetting - angle for Madeline's secret is that Safin is her brother. I dearly hope I'm wrong. But then, who among us saw Brothergate coming when it landed in Spectre?

    Pretty much everyone as soon as the Oberhauser name was revealed at the 2014 press conference. So much so that I thought the brothergate angle was meant to be a red herring to trick the viewers and Blofeld would reveal he was pretending to be Bond's forster brother to play with Bond's mind. Admittedly that would have been really poor, but still better than what we got.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Snake on a plane of being
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    ggl007 wrote: »
    Already mentioned but it's quite strange Blofeld's year of birth:
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    If he was born in 1946 there's no way he would have been 16 in the 80's:
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    In fact, his father, Hannes, was 42 when he died...

    Yes, weird. According to SP he is 53, according to NTTD 73. Waltz himself is 63.
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    How man years in between SP & NTTD?
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    How man years in between SP & NTTD?

    Apparently matera is right after spectre.

    Jamaica and the rest is 5 years
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited December 2019 Posts: 2,541
    talos7 wrote: »
    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    nomi seems arrogant and cocky in the trailer for no apparent reason. I’m hoping bond gives her a good dose in the 3rd act.

    Agree. I’m all about a new 00 agent, and I don’t care that it’s a woman. But please, let’s have a moment where he shows her who the true alpha is.

    +1 pretending to be tough and being tough is two different things. It could also be because of trailer, i just hope there is an heated moment between the two so it looks more natural.

    I’m not crazy about the casting of this role, but was hoping that I would like her in the role; the trailer does not leave me optimistic. She appears to be everything that’s wrong when trying to depict a strong woman functioning in a traditionally male dominated world. It’s extremely heavy handed and grating.
    Rebecca Ferguson in the MI films Is a perfect example of how do do it right; never does her character try to diminish or intimidate Hunt . She doesn’t posture to prove to the audience what a badass she is.
    Men not wanting to see strong women in moves is highly exaggerated; we just want to see it done well.

    Well said, Ilsa is genuinely best strong female character i have seen in a while (I would pay good money to see her standalone adventures), one of the many reason i have soft spot for RN. But I think it's too soon to judge Nomi's character. Unlike Ethan and Ilsa, Nomi is taking bond's code which could be a bit challenging for our Jimmy. We will see in april, this will be long 4 months for me ;)
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    Tuck91 wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    How man years in between SP & NTTD?

    Apparently matera is right after spectre.

    Jamaica and the rest is 5 years

    When they asked the director they said Jamaica was first.
  • 007Blofeld wrote: »
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    How man years in between SP & NTTD?

    Apparently matera is right after spectre.

    Jamaica and the rest is 5 years

    When they asked the director they said Jamaica was first.

    No. Cary himself said, Jamaica is 5 years after PTS
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited December 2019 Posts: 5,172
    talos7 wrote: »
    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    nomi seems arrogant and cocky in the trailer for no apparent reason. I’m hoping bond gives her a good dose in the 3rd act.

    Agree. I’m all about a new 00 agent, and I don’t care that it’s a woman. But please, let’s have a moment where he shows her who the true alpha is.

    +1 pretending to be tough and being tough is two different things. It could also be because of trailer, i just hope there is an heated moment between the two so it looks more natural.

    I’m not crazy about the casting of this role, but was hoping that I would like her in the role; the trailer does not leave me optimistic. She appears to be everything that’s wrong when trying to depict a strong woman functioning in a traditionally male dominated world. It’s extremely heavy handed and grating.
    Rebecca Ferguson in the MI films Is a perfect example of how do do it right; never does her character try to diminish or intimidate Hunt . She doesn’t posture to prove to the audience what a badass she is.
    Men not wanting to see strong women in moves is highly exaggerated; we just want to see it done well.

    Well said, Ilsa is genuinely best strong female character i have seen in a while (I would pay good money to see her standalone adventures), one of the many reason i have soft spot for RN. But I think it's too soon to judge Nomi's character. Unlike Ethan and Ilsa, Nomi is taking bond's code which could be a bit challenging for our Jimmy. We will see in april, this will be long 4 months for me ;)

    I love Ilsa, but Ethan Hunt is no Bond. Ethan is a nice guy, Bond can take some verbal abuse, and dish it out just as well, which creates some better tension. Put Ilsa and Bond in one room and these two will insult and then hump each other in a matter of minutes.
    With Ethan and Ilsa, i can't even tell after two films, how attracted they are to each other.

    If they had included Bonds reaction to Nomis lines, it would have been a level playing field, but they did not for some reason. Let's wait and see how it plays out in the film.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    And he’s filed under Blofeld, rather than Oberhauser.
    Either they used information Blofeld supplied to them or the foster brother angle won’t be mentioned again.

    CJF has actually spoken about this in an interview.......
    https://www.gamesradar.com/uk/bond-25-trailer-breakdown-no-time-to-die-director-cary-joji-fukunaga/
    Would it be a stretch to say Blofeld is now helping Bond?

    I can’t tell you exactly what that relationship is there. But we’re trying to honour the legacy of the story, and what Blofeld’s meant for the Bond character for so long. In Spectre, they establish different roots to their relationship. So this film, I think in many ways, tries to continue that adversarial relationship. But obviously, with the obstruction that Blofeld’s in prison.


    Polite way of saying that Bro-feld is dead and Blofeld is alive! It'll probs just be an excuse to explain the characters have a 'history' nothing more. Then we are in the classic Bond v Blofeld dynamic.

    Well of course. Brofeld is a fact. Is canon, like it or not. They’re not retconning anything, but obviously it was part of the SP story. In NTTD won’t be mentioned and is fine, because the story doesn’t need to dive further into that. If u ask me I’m quite happy with Blofeld return, especially in this brief Lecter kind of situation.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    edited December 2019 Posts: 3,911
    The end scene of Skyfall to be honest,really looked like James Bond was going back to his typical international standalone espionage thriller. I suspect that was the idea before Mendes decided to come back for SP. Coz once M tells Bond 'are you ready to get back to work', It felt like an international mission. With another Director at the helm, we would easily have had another original Bond film with an Original villian...just like Silva.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    GadgetMan wrote: »
    The end scene of Skyfall to be honest really looked like James Bond was going back to his typical international standalone espionage thriller. I suspect that was the idea before Mendes decided to come back for SP. Coz once M tells Bond 'are you ready to get back to work', It felt like an international mission. With another Director at the helm, we would easily have had another original Bond film with an Original villian...just like Silva.
    I agree :)
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    So did the ending of Casino Royale and Quantum. I am sure that's the intent. But everytime they get around to it, they get cold feet and we are back to Bond 'becoming' James Bond. It's like they can tell no other story.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    edited December 2019 Posts: 3,497
    So did the ending of Casino Royale and Quantum. I am sure that's the intent. But everytime they get around to it, they get cold feet and we are back to Bond 'becoming' James Bond. It's like they can tell no other story.

    He's back in. He was Bond from the end of CR. Remember we are still panicking without seeing the film.

    And Blofeld, I think l, will only taunt Bond.
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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    Pavlo wrote: »
    Contraband wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    Penpen wrote: »
    Contraband wrote: »
    The scene with stunt bike rider Paul E. jumping over the wall, was that shot with IMAX-cameras in any way? In the trailer they only showed it from the drone's view.
    Definitely some imax cameras used on it, it's an IMAX sequence. The drone may even have been digital rather than 35mm.
    Isn´t 35mm equipment heavy? I have difficulty imagining using a drone with a 35mm camera.

    Just read an random article about drones with IMAX-cameras on. Plus I got pics and video of the drone they used, and it's a big ass drone.

    No film drone can carry IMAX film (!) camera. Only IMAX digital cameras that are much less heavy and smaller. Photos we have with drone in NTTD, as for me, indicate that they use 35mm camera. It was definitely 35 mm camera for London filming.

    @Pavlo Thanks for the info. The actual drone on set:

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  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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    In the trailer during the car chase in Scotland along the banks with the beige land cruise and land rover, the rover flips over and lands hard. In the background there's a beautiful lake and mountains.

    But is that really the real location background. As far as I know we have never seen the lake from the cars point of view during filming, right? They done some CGI of course, deleting the crew camp/people and fixed the landing spot of the car but the background.. Added later??

    Or has this already been discussed?

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  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    Where do we think Safins lair is? And I keep seeing people say nomi flies the helicopter after Bond.
  • My experience of Bond fans and non-Bond fans towards the NTTD trailer

    Bond fans - When is the trailer coming, oh when is it coming?!!! It should have been here like in September!

    Non Bond fans - What we have to wait to April?! I thought this must mean it's coming out in December.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,364
    Birdleson wrote: »
    My experience of Bond fans and non-Bond fans towards the NTTD trailer

    Bond fans - When is the trailer coming, oh when is it coming?!!! It should have been here like in September!

    Non Bond fans - What we have to wait to April?! I thought this must mean it's coming out in December.

    I’ve had that same experience.

    I have had non-Bond fans wondering why there was trailer for the trailer. In fact, Bond fans questioned that, too. LOL
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
    edited December 2019 Posts: 4,399
    Did anyone see Brie Larson tweet out about the trailer?



    I'm not surprised to see so many babies crying on twitter that Lashana seems rude and disrispectful in the trailer.

    Her character is a feisty, tough assassin. It's her job to kill on the orders for her government. She isn't supposed to be nice.

    Plus her character is far from unique. Her dialogue could have been said by Anya in TSWM, Holly in MR, Pam in LTK, Wai Lin in TND, Jinx in DAD, etc.

    Why is Nomi getting picked on so much more?

    A. Dude-Bros who are sexist.
    B. Dude-Bros who are racist.
    C. Dude-Bros who feel their maleness is being aggressively marginalized in main stream media.
    D. Some combination of any of the above.
    E. or All of the Above..


    our society has become a cynical, knee-jerk, reactionary, guilty until proven innocent society.. the littlest thing, taken out of context, all of sudden becomes a beacon.. the internet can be great - but it's also an empowering tool for apathy and ignorance.

    i have had a lot of interaction with people who seem legit confused and angry about Lashawna Lynch as the new 007.. some are friends, some complete strangers...

    half are ignorant to what it really means - those people believe that when she was cast, she was actually cast as a female James Bond, because they can't and/or don't disassociate the 00 number from the person.. they just simply arent educated enough to know that there have been multiple 00 agents over the years, and even James Bond wasn't the first 007 - the one before him was killed, and Bond was promoted into that slot.. i've tried educating these types of people the best i can, because they dont know any better..

    but there is the other half... these are the ones that know the difference, but simply don't like the fact that it's a woman in the role.. had those same lines and same attitude been coming from someone like Channing Tatum - a lot of these Dude-Bros wouldn't care, in fact they'd probably love it.. but the fact that it's a woman, somehow makes it bad, and a terrible idea.. too them it's agenda pushing METOO and they just aren't simply going to take another "woke" movie.. just read through some of the youtube comments, it's a festering slime pool of bigotry..
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited December 2019 Posts: 3,126
    DJCLE84 wrote: »
    Did anyone see Brie Larson tweet out about the trailer?



    I'm not surprised to see so many babies crying on twitter that Lashana seems rude and disrispectful in the trailer.

    Her character is a feisty, tough assassin. It's her job to kill on the orders for her government. She isn't supposed to be nice.

    Plus her character is far from unique. Her dialogue could have been said by Anya in TSWM, Holly in MR, Pam in LTK, Wai Lin in TND, Jinx in DAD, etc.

    Why is Nomi getting picked on so much more?

    A. Dude-Bros who are sexist.
    B. Dude-Bros who are racist.
    C. Dude-Bros who feel their maleness is being aggressively marginalized in main stream media.
    D. Some combination of any of the above.
    E. or All of the Above..


    our society has become a cynical, knee-jerk, reactionary, guilty until proven innocent society.. the littlest thing, taken out of context, all of sudden becomes a beacon.. the internet can be great - but it's also an empowering tool for apathy and ignorance.

    i have had a lot of interaction with people who seem legit confused and angry about Lashawna Lynch as the new 007.. some are friends, some complete strangers...

    half are ignorant to what it really means - those people believe that when she was cast, she was actually cast as a female James Bond, because they can't and/or don't disassociate the 00 number from the person.. they just simply arent educated enough to know that there have been multiple 00 agents over the years, and even James Bond wasn't the first 007 - the one before him was killed, and Bond was promoted into that slot.. i've tried educating these types of people the best i can, because they dont know any better..

    but there is the other half... these are the ones that know the difference, but simply don't like the fact that it's a woman in the role.. had those same lines and same attitude been coming from someone like Channing Tatum - a lot of these Dude-Bros wouldn't care, in fact they'd probably love it.. but the fact that it's a woman, somehow makes it bad, and a terrible idea.. too them it's agenda pushing METOO and they just aren't simply going to take another "woke" movie.. just read through some of the youtube comments, it's a festering slime pool of bigotry..

    This is why I said they better come up with a great marketing plan because most people think 007 and Bond are tied.
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