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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I do enjoy a bit of Bowie now and then, but can understand that the music isn't for everyone. Madonna is 60 today, by the way - something that got a ridiculous amount of coverage on the news here.

    That's why I mentioned her. It struck me that I don't like her or see the relevance of her birthday.

    It really has no news value either. Plenty of good, popular artist celebrate their birthdays without getting a mention like that.

    When she turns 100 (if she does), then maybe that would make sense. But now it's probably because we're in August.

    August isn't an eventful month for news generally, so that's probably an explanation. No doubt more unnecessary coverage is going to be spent on a lot of stuff throughout the month!
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    I am shocked we are in a society where Madonnas name is mentioned next to Michael Jackson's. Love or hate him, Michael at least had some talent. What does Madonna have?
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    jobo wrote: »
    I am shocked we are in a society where Madonnas name is mentioned next to Michael Jackson's. Love or hate him, Michael at least had some talent. What does Madonna have?

    A couple of songs from the 80's/90's that has got some recognition and a more recent song that's only mentioned because of the sample of the ABBA classic Gimme! Gimme! Gimme! (A Man After Midnight)?
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    jobo wrote: »
    I am shocked we are in a society where Madonnas name is mentioned next to Michael Jackson's. Love or hate him, Michael at least had some talent. What does Madonna have?

    Relating to that, here's some news that I can relate to you with.

    https://theplaylist.net/scarlett-johansson-avengers-payday-20180817/

    She's not talented. She has like one facial expression. Everyone in Avengers Infinity War played their part well, and had something to do in the story. She had two fight scenes, that's it. She treats average people bad, and she steals roles from other races and cultures.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I believe nuclear war is bad, utterly regardless of who advocates or starts it.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    I am shocked we are in a society where Madonnas name is mentioned next to Michael Jackson's. Love or hate him, Michael at least had some talent. What does Madonna have?

    Relating to that, here's some news that I can relate to you with.

    https://theplaylist.net/scarlett-johansson-avengers-payday-20180817/

    She's not talented. She has like one facial expression. Everyone in Avengers Infinity War played their part well, and had something to do in the story. She had two fight scenes, that's it. She treats average people bad, and she steals roles from other races and cultures.

    What roles has she 'stolen from other races and cultures' exactly?
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    I am shocked we are in a society where Madonnas name is mentioned next to Michael Jackson's. Love or hate him, Michael at least had some talent. What does Madonna have?

    Relating to that, here's some news that I can relate to you with.

    https://theplaylist.net/scarlett-johansson-avengers-payday-20180817/

    She's not talented. She has like one facial expression. Everyone in Avengers Infinity War played their part well, and had something to do in the story. She had two fight scenes, that's it. She treats average people bad, and she steals roles from other races and cultures.

    What roles has she 'stolen from other races and cultures' exactly?

    There was Ghost in the Shell, which is meant for a Asian actress. Then, there was that transgender role that she dropped out of. Ironically, they were made by the same director.

  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Having a 'name' actress in a film means more money at the box office, like it or not. But that's down to the producers. It doesen't mean she 'stole' the part.

    And i'm sure a man or a woman could play a 'transgender' part as the he/she is neither one or the other strictly speaking.

    So that's just two examples of all the roles she's apparently 'stolen'

    I think your beef with Johansson is merely personal dislike.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited September 2018 Posts: 4,108
    Having a 'name' actress in a film means more money at the box office, like it or not. But that's down to the producers. It doesen't mean she 'stole' the part.

    And i'm sure a man or a woman could play a 'transgender' part as the he/she is neither one or the other strictly speaking.

    So that's just two examples of all the roles she's apparently 'stolen'

    I think your beef with Johansson is merely personal dislike.

    Pretty much it is personal dislike. But I was probably in a bad mood, and saw the title of the post. It was people giving their personal opinions, I felt like giving mine. I can drop it, however. I don't want to start an argument.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    jobo wrote: »
    I am shocked we are in a society where Madonnas name is mentioned next to Michael Jackson's. Love or hate him, Michael at least had some talent. What does Madonna have?

    One of if not the most famous female artists of all time. Been a hugely successful singer and songwriter since the early 80's and has constantly re-invented herself while still maintaining a huge following.

    Is the best selling female artist of all time and has only sold less records than The Beatles, Elvis Presley and Michael Jackson.

    I'd say she certainly has something....

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    jobo wrote: »
    I am shocked we are in a society where Madonnas name is mentioned next to Michael Jackson's. Love or hate him, Michael at least had some talent. What does Madonna have?

    One of if not the most famous female artists of all time. Been a hugely successful singer and songwriter since the early 80's and has constantly re-invented herself while still maintaining a huge following.

    Is the best selling female artist of all time and has only sold less records than The Beatles, Elvis Presley and Michael Jackson.

    I'd say she certainly has something....


    A talent for marketing perhaps... or finding the right people to help her with marketing, I don´t know? She certainly does not distinguish hersker as an artist...
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
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    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    I am shocked we are in a society where Madonnas name is mentioned next to Michael Jackson's. Love or hate him, Michael at least had some talent. What does Madonna have?

    One of if not the most famous female artists of all time. Been a hugely successful singer and songwriter since the early 80's and has constantly re-invented herself while still maintaining a huge following.

    Is the best selling female artist of all time and has only sold less records than The Beatles, Elvis Presley and Michael Jackson.

    I'd say she certainly has something....


    A talent for marketing perhaps... or finding the right people to help her with marketing, I don´t know? She certainly does not distinguish hersker as an artist...

    She certainly isn't very likeable, personal opinion of course
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    I am shocked we are in a society where Madonnas name is mentioned next to Michael Jackson's. Love or hate him, Michael at least had some talent. What does Madonna have?

    One of if not the most famous female artists of all time. Been a hugely successful singer and songwriter since the early 80's and has constantly re-invented herself while still maintaining a huge following.

    Is the best selling female artist of all time and has only sold less records than The Beatles, Elvis Presley and Michael Jackson.

    I'd say she certainly has something....


    A talent for marketing perhaps... or finding the right people to help her with marketing, I don´t know? She certainly does not distinguish hersker as an artist...

    She certainly isn't very likeable, personal opinion of course

    You're probably right, but Jobo's assertion was that she had no talent which obviously isn't the case looking at her success and longevity. Even if you can't stand her you have to acknowledge her achievements.
  • edited September 2018 Posts: 7,500
    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    I am shocked we are in a society where Madonnas name is mentioned next to Michael Jackson's. Love or hate him, Michael at least had some talent. What does Madonna have?

    One of if not the most famous female artists of all time. Been a hugely successful singer and songwriter since the early 80's and has constantly re-invented herself while still maintaining a huge following.

    Is the best selling female artist of all time and has only sold less records than The Beatles, Elvis Presley and Michael Jackson.

    I'd say she certainly has something....


    A talent for marketing perhaps... or finding the right people to help her with marketing, I don´t know? She certainly does not distinguish hersker as an artist...

    She certainly isn't very likeable, personal opinion of course

    You're probably right, but Jobo's assertion was that she had no talent which obviously isn't the case looking at her success and longevity. Even if you can't stand her you have to acknowledge her achievements.


    The marketing world is full of pretty talentless people who make carreers and earn big money. They are everywhere! That is the thing about commercialism in general. It is not necesarrily connected with art or actual ability. It is basically all about branding.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    I am shocked we are in a society where Madonnas name is mentioned next to Michael Jackson's. Love or hate him, Michael at least had some talent. What does Madonna have?

    One of if not the most famous female artists of all time. Been a hugely successful singer and songwriter since the early 80's and has constantly re-invented herself while still maintaining a huge following.

    Is the best selling female artist of all time and has only sold less records than The Beatles, Elvis Presley and Michael Jackson.

    I'd say she certainly has something....


    A talent for marketing perhaps... or finding the right people to help her with marketing, I don´t know? She certainly does not distinguish hersker as an artist...

    She certainly isn't very likeable, personal opinion of course

    You're probably right, but Jobo's assertion was that she had no talent which obviously isn't the case looking at her success and longevity. Even if you can't stand her you have to acknowledge her achievements.


    The marketing world is full of pretty talentless people who make carreers and earn big money. They are everywhere! That is the thing about commercialism in general. It is not necesarrily connected with art or actual ability. It is basically all about branding.

    Marketing will take you so far. To be the biggest selling female artist of all time takes a little more than just 'marketing' i would imagine.

    Off the top of my head i can only think of the Khardashians that you could level that accusation at, but then they were already very rich before they became a reality TV phenomenon.

    Any other names you wanna throw in the hat that have made it all through 'marketing' and no talent?
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou. I can still hear my old hound dog barkin'.
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    To me, Madonna has always been an average pop singer making mediocre pop songs, enhanced only by flashy outer appearance and deliberate placing of scandals. That impression hasn't changed in 30-some years. Everything else is genius marketing, but I don't appreciate musicians for their marketing skills. Maybe she has her merits as a live performer, but I generally don't go to live performances unless I'm already convinced of the performer's musical qualities, and that may happen about every five years at best.

    Then again, she's not alone in failing to make a lasting impression of genius on me. I also never caught on to Michael Jackson and Prince, and even Saint David Bowie. Maybe good musicians, and I'm sorry they had to leave so early, but that's it. I don't like the term "overrated", but that's what they are for my own personal taste.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I liked comics better when they didn t try to shield kids as much.
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    I liked comics better when they didn t try to shield kids as much.
    mickey-suicide.jpg?resize=501%2C264

    As a Bears fan, this comic resonates with me.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Would make much more sense if alcohol was banned and cannabis legalized.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Would make much more sense if alcohol was banned and cannabis legalized.

    What a world that'd be.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    To me, Madonna has always been an average pop singer making mediocre pop songs, enhanced only by flashy outer appearance and deliberate placing of scandals. That impression hasn't changed in 30-some years. Everything else is genius marketing, but I don't appreciate musicians for their marketing skills. Maybe she has her merits as a live performer, but I generally don't go to live performances unless I'm already convinced of the performer's musical qualities, and that may happen about every five years at best.

    Then again, she's not alone in failing to make a lasting impression of genius on me. I also never caught on to Michael Jackson and Prince, and even Saint David Bowie. Maybe good musicians, and I'm sorry they had to leave so early, but that's it. I don't like the term "overrated", but that's what they are for my own personal taste.

    Yet again the people you mention, although not to your particular taste, have made a lot of music that a lot of people like. Nothing or little to do with 'marketing' as such.

    A lot of people like their music and like their peformances.

    Marketing helps but if no one likes your songs then all the marketing in the world ain't gonna do squat.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    Would make much more sense if alcohol was banned and cannabis legalized.

    Can I at least keep my Guinness?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    royale65 wrote: »
    Would make much more sense if alcohol was banned and cannabis legalized.

    Can I at least keep my Guinness?

    Anyone can keep anything they like, old chum.

    Just saying what makes the most sense.
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    Would make much more sense if alcohol was banned and cannabis legalized.

    They both should be legal IMO. And the drinking age in the US should be lowered to 18. I’m condident alcohol-related crimes would see a drop if it happened.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    I know his fans consider him to be a god, but I can't stand Eminem. He's a decent songwriter but his voice and personality kill it for me. I love Skylar Grey though.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    It's easier for me to post things on this site than on Facebook. It can get goofy on here, yes, but some of my friends I've had to talk about posting goofy things on Facebook many times.
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    Martin Compston from Line of Duty could act the socks off Sean Connery.

    I didn’t even know the former was Scottish until recently.
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Martin Compston from Line of Duty could act the socks off Sean Connery.

    I didn’t even know the former was Scottish until recently.

    Martin Compston could've made a great C/Max Denbigh I think.
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