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  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    He's not wrong. I always wanted Palpatine to return, if only to demonstrate that he was powerful enough to survive a fall.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    He certainly makes a great point. Like a lot of things with films these days, however, it's not the idea that is necessarily the issue. Execution is everything.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    The problem for me is that neither TFA nor TLJ built up to this big reveal. Killing off Snoke, whom I had taken for granted to be the obvious big bad, was a strange choice. It left me thinking that a raging Kylo Ren would take his place. I guess Palpatine's return gave me some comfort that they weren't going to end things in too complicated a way. Star Wars doesn't need "complicated".

    Anyway, I'm a sucker for epic villains returning. Joker, Blofeld, Palpatine,.. yeah, I cannot deny that I'm always happy to see these nemeses of old take the stage again. No matter how silly, I got a kick out of seeing Palpatine again. I'm a bit of a geek in that sense. 😉
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    The problem for me is that neither TFA nor TLJ built up to this big reveal. Killing off Snoke, whom I had taken for granted to be the obvious big bad, was a strange choice. It left me thinking that a raging Kylo Ren would take his place. I guess Palpatine's return gave me some comfort that they weren't going to end things in too complicated a way. Star Wars doesn't need "complicated".

    Anyway, I'm a sucker for epic villains returning. Joker, Blofeld, Palpatine,.. yeah, I cannot deny that I'm always happy to see these nemeses of old take the stage again. No matter how silly, I got a kick out of seeing Palpatine again. I'm a bit of a geek in that sense. 😉

    Same here! At least this time, EON has a chance to build up Blofeld, akin to a Star Wars villain.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Episode 2 has a strong story but a weak romance
    Episode 8 has a weak story but a strong romance
    Episode 5 has a strong story and a strong romance.
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    I can’t speak for everyone, but I vastly preferred Star Wars over Star Trek while I was a kid, and then vastly preferred Star Trek over Star Wars as an adult. Total taste change. I always have and still do like both, but beyond the original trilogy, Star Wars is slim pickings for me, while I enjoy several more of the Trek movies and love the original show. It’s one of those things I think where the more action and spectacle oriented Star Wars really appeals to a young mind, while the slow burn, philosophical, sparing action approach of Star Trek is more interesting to me being older now. Can’t speak for everyone, but this is one of my biggest taste changes in entertainment over the years. Doesn’t help the last several Star Wars films have been average at best IMO.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    I can’t speak for everyone, but I vastly preferred Star Wars over Star Trek while I was a kid, and then vastly preferred Star Trek over Star Wars as an adult. Total taste change. I always have and still do like both, but beyond the original trilogy, Star Wars is slim pickings for me, while I enjoy several more of the Trek movies and love the original show. It’s one of those things I think where the more action and spectacle oriented Star Wars really appeals to a young mind, while the slow burn, philosophical, sparing action approach of Star Trek is more interesting to me being older now. Can’t speak for everyone, but this is one of my biggest taste changes in entertainment over the years. Doesn’t help the last several Star Wars films have been average at best IMO.

    @FoxRox : I followed this pattern as well.

    As a kid, I loved Star Wars, and I watched Trek with my dad.

    As a mid-teen, I started to love Trek, the series and films.

    Then the SW prequels came out and I lost my love for the films, although I do have a soft spot for the original three.

    My love for ST TOS, TNG, Picard S3, and the films remains…
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I liked both Star Wars and Star Trek pretty equally when I first got into them at 7. After watching the OT, I was hungry for more space adventures, and so I moved onto the Star Trek films, at the time only being the first six.

    It wasn’t until I started going to college that I then started to actually watch the shows through Netflix DVD, and I think I can say from that point on I was starting to strongly prefer Trek over Wars.

    Now I never miss any Trek. I’m more excited to see LOWER DECKS than whatever TV show/mini-series Star Wars is churning out. I’ve only watched MANDALORIAN and OBI-WAN, and have zero interest in any of the other shows.

    I’ve always held the attitude that Star Trek is better off staying on television. My feeling is that Star Wars is better off sticking as a film series.
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    I can’t say I’ve ever been a fan on Star Trek. I used to catch reruns of DS9, but the franchise never captured me the way Star Wars did, and being a fan of the prequels (I grew up during those films), I can’t say I’ve ever been put off by anything Star Wars related until some of the new Disney stuff.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    I love the Original Star Wars trilogy and like the prequels, beyond that my enthusiasm for Disney Star Wars has worn down to apathy. (Rogue One was good).

    I am a much bigger Star Trek fan than Star Wars, IMO there is far more Great Star Trek than there is great Star Wars.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    I liked both Star Wars and Star Trek pretty equally when I first got into them at 7. After watching the OT, I was hungry for more space adventures, and so I moved onto the Star Trek films, at the time only being the first six.

    It wasn’t until I started going to college that I then started to actually watch the shows through Netflix DVD, and I think I can say from that point on I was starting to strongly prefer Trek over Wars.

    Now I never miss any Trek. I’m more excited to see LOWER DECKS than whatever TV show/mini-series Star Wars is churning out. I’ve only watched MANDALORIAN and OBI-WAN, and have zero interest in any of the other shows.

    I’ve always held the attitude that Star Trek is better off staying on television. My feeling is that Star Wars is better off sticking as a film series.

    I agree with you on the way they should be made. Book of Boba Fett and Obi-Wan Kenobi should have been films. Way too much filler, and in particular if there is not going to be a season 2 for either series. It's a shame that Solo bombed. I'm still hoping for Patty Jenkins' Rogue Squadron movie.

    https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-mcu-blu-rays-revealed/
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I love the Original Star Wars trilogy and like the prequels, beyond that my enthusiasm for Disney Star Wars has worn down to apathy. (Rogue One was good).

    I am a much bigger Star Trek fan than Star Wars, IMO there is far more Great Star Trek than there is great Star Wars.
    I would accept that as an axiom. :D
    Still, Mandalorian (first two seasons only), Rogue One & Andor were great IMHO.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    I liked both Star Wars and Star Trek pretty equally when I first got into them at 7. After watching the OT, I was hungry for more space adventures, and so I moved onto the Star Trek films, at the time only being the first six.

    It wasn’t until I started going to college that I then started to actually watch the shows through Netflix DVD, and I think I can say from that point on I was starting to strongly prefer Trek over Wars.

    Now I never miss any Trek. I’m more excited to see LOWER DECKS than whatever TV show/mini-series Star Wars is churning out. I’ve only watched MANDALORIAN and OBI-WAN, and have zero interest in any of the other shows.

    I’ve always held the attitude that Star Trek is better off staying on television. My feeling is that Star Wars is better off sticking as a film series.

    I agree with you on the way they should be made. Book of Boba Fett and Obi-Wan Kenobi should have been films. Way too much filler, and in particular if there is not going to be a season 2 for either series. It's a shame that Solo bombed. I'm still hoping for Patty Jenkins' Rogue Squadron movie.

    https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-mcu-blu-rays-revealed/

    I refused to watch Boba Fett because I absolutely reject the idea of his death in ROTJ being retconned. For me, Boba Fett, Darth Maul, and Palpatine should have stayed dead.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    I liked both Star Wars and Star Trek pretty equally when I first got into them at 7. After watching the OT, I was hungry for more space adventures, and so I moved onto the Star Trek films, at the time only being the first six.

    It wasn’t until I started going to college that I then started to actually watch the shows through Netflix DVD, and I think I can say from that point on I was starting to strongly prefer Trek over Wars.

    Now I never miss any Trek. I’m more excited to see LOWER DECKS than whatever TV show/mini-series Star Wars is churning out. I’ve only watched MANDALORIAN and OBI-WAN, and have zero interest in any of the other shows.

    I’ve always held the attitude that Star Trek is better off staying on television. My feeling is that Star Wars is better off sticking as a film series.

    I agree with you on the way they should be made. Book of Boba Fett and Obi-Wan Kenobi should have been films. Way too much filler, and in particular if there is not going to be a season 2 for either series. It's a shame that Solo bombed. I'm still hoping for Patty Jenkins' Rogue Squadron movie.

    https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-mcu-blu-rays-revealed/

    I refused to watch Boba Fett because I absolutely reject the idea of his death in ROTJ being retconned. For me, Boba Fett, Darth Maul, and Palpatine should have stayed dead.
    THANK you!
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    Frankly, I never understood the obsession with Boba Fett at all xP
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Fett was a cool looking henchman, but that’s all he should have been. Bringing him back to life was like deciding to retcon Oddjob’s death and make a spin off film of him having a change of heart as villain and go forward as an antihero.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    I liked both Star Wars and Star Trek pretty equally when I first got into them at 7. After watching the OT, I was hungry for more space adventures, and so I moved onto the Star Trek films, at the time only being the first six.

    It wasn’t until I started going to college that I then started to actually watch the shows through Netflix DVD, and I think I can say from that point on I was starting to strongly prefer Trek over Wars.

    Now I never miss any Trek. I’m more excited to see LOWER DECKS than whatever TV show/mini-series Star Wars is churning out. I’ve only watched MANDALORIAN and OBI-WAN, and have zero interest in any of the other shows.

    I’ve always held the attitude that Star Trek is better off staying on television. My feeling is that Star Wars is better off sticking as a film series.

    I agree with you on the way they should be made. Book of Boba Fett and Obi-Wan Kenobi should have been films. Way too much filler, and in particular if there is not going to be a season 2 for either series. It's a shame that Solo bombed. I'm still hoping for Patty Jenkins' Rogue Squadron movie.

    https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-mcu-blu-rays-revealed/

    I refused to watch Boba Fett because I absolutely reject the idea of his death in ROTJ being retconned. For me, Boba Fett, Darth Maul, and Palpatine should have stayed dead.
    THANK you!

    I agree with this. While it was cool to see Maul behind the events of Solo, I understand anyone’s opinion why he should have stayed dead (or survived TPM). Bringing Palpatine back was just desperation on everyone’s part. I think while Carrie Fisher dying didn’t help, Colin Trevorrow wasn’t going to be great with Star Wars. I was always a bit nervous about him, as soon as he was announced. I think episode 9 was always going to be a tough battle for everyone, and JJ Abrams was the equivalent of Sam Mendes on Spectre: I think he was the best person for THAT particular story. Even if it felt like fan fiction at times. So all in all, the Disney Star Wars can’t be blamed on one person alone. Just like any movie or video game series.

    One last thing, I’d be a bit nervous about James Mangold and his Dawn of The Jedi movie. After Indiana Jones bombed (a Lucasfilm production, no less), I’d be a little curious about the state of him and the movie, honestly. If all goes right, we’ll have 2 Star Wars movies filming by the end of the year.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    TROS seemed to have been damned no matter what. I think Disney should have given TROS an extra year of development, especially in light of Fisher’s passing. Their insistence on sticking with the ST coming out every two years really hurt it. Should have been spaced out like the other trilogies with three years between films.

    Though funnily, even if the ST had the benefit of having three years between films, TROS would have been impacted by COVID during production. Like I said, this movie seemed damned.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    TROS seemed to have been damned no matter what. I think Disney should have given TROS an extra year of development, especially in light of Fisher’s passing. Their insistence on sticking with the ST coming out every two years really hurt it. Should have been spaced out like the other trilogies with three years between films.

    Though funnily, even if the ST had the benefit of having three years between films, TROS would have been impacted by COVID during production. Like I said, this movie seemed damned.

    Yes, I agree with you on your points. That being said, I still really TROS as it is. It's fun, and Star Wars can correct itself. Just keep certain people away from it. Like Bond, I'm always interested in where Star Wars (and to a degree Trek) goes. Unlimited potential for adventures.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I enjoyed TROS in theaters, it’s fun and breezy, but I can also acknowledge it’s creatively lazy and doesn’t work as a “final chapter”.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I'm one of those who didn't really enjoy TLJ the way I should have. TLJ isn't bad, but it tries to bite off more than it can chew -- if that makes sense. I can't quite explain my feelings towards TLJ, but for all the cool scenes that film has, something doesn't "click". Like you're envited to a party, all the right people are there, the music is good, but no one wants to kick things off on the dance floor.

    The moment we saw Palpatine again in TROS, I pumped a fist, screamed "HELL YEAH!" and never stopped grooving with the movie. TROS felt like a return to the happy, uncomplicated, silly fun of Star Wars. Is it a perfect movie? Heeeeeell, no! No SW movie is, IMO. But the party was on. That's what it felt like to me.

    It's all subjective, of course. I prefer SW over ESB; I prefer RO out of all the Disney SW films. Perhaps I'm not your typical SW fan. ;-)
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I rank TLJ third on my list, but it in the long run could have been better served as part of Episode VII. TFA sets up an intriguing premise with Skywalker having disappeared and that the new heroes have to find him, but then the movie decides to go on a completely different tangent with the Starkiller base because Abrams seems obsessed with wanting to recreate the original film instead of telling a new chapter in the saga. So everything with Luke all gets dumped on Rian Johnson instead.

    My understanding of Lucas’ original treatments is that VII was a lot more like TLJ where a young girl (named Kira in this treatment) finds Luke as an old hermit after losing a pupil to the dark side, and becomes her teacher, and he dies much like how Obi-Wan did in IV and Qui-Gon in I, basically repeating the formula of the first episode of the trilogy.

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    So I like to imagine a version of VII where the first half is introducing the new characters, get rid of Starkiller base entirely so you can then move onto that story with Rey finding a dejected Luke and so on. It would then feel like a complete first chapter of a new trilogy the way both TPM and ANH did. That was something that bothered me about TFA ending on a literal cliffhanger with Rey meeting Luke, what happened to Ben after defeat, and Finn being in a coma. Second chapters of a trilogy like AOTC and TESB didn’t need to pick up right where the first left off and tie up loose ends left by the first.

    In retrospect, TFA could work if it wasn’t the beginning of a trilogy but rather an ongoing series. You drop the pretense of a trilogy and have it be a soap opera, where we get a new chapter every few years. That’s actually what I thought Disney might do, because why set up IX as the final chapter when we already had one with VI?
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    I tend to skip ahead to the Battle on Crait when watching TLJ, the Crait scenes are visually interesting and look good in 4K.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I saw TLJ and TROS once about two years back or so and that was more than enough for one lifetime.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I saw TLJ and TROS once about two years back or so and that was more than enough for one lifetime.

    Severely agree with you here.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    It’s kind of amazing just how divisive TLJ is, there’s almost no middle ground. It’s either one of the strongest entries or it’s the worst of all time. I really wonder how much its rep will change in the coming years.

    TESB was at its release seen as okay but underwhelming due to many wanting and expecting another movie like the original, and that’s not what EMPIRE was. It wasn’t until the 90s that it seemed to have grown in rep as the best of the trilogy.

    I remember when ROTS came out that most would concede that it was the best of the prequels but still a let down. But now it’s usually ranked among the top two with the emergence of younger generations like millennials and gen z changing the dialogue around prequels. I’m sure if I just jumped on a Reddit and declared ROTS at #7 and TLJ at #3 I’d be accused of trolling and bad faith.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    My initial reaction in the cinema when watching TLJ in the early scene when Poe is quipping in the X-Wing was 'What the hell is this cr'*p' ,I was complaining out loud that's how bad I thought the film was, and it got worse. Rian could not help himself and trolled the audience throughout the film, probably cackling to himself.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I have to ask, what is wrong with Poe being quippy there? Because that’s exactly how he was introduced in TFA when meeting Kylo Ren. “So, who talks first? You talk first? I talk first?”. Only he’s now a bit cockier after having blown up their Starkiller base and now wants to have a little fun messing with these fascists.
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