What do you want from Billie Eilish's NTTD's title song?

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  • Posts: 2,115
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    mendes and EON must insist they collaborate. Newman was out of order refusing to work with Adele and Epworth. His score is the worse for it as well.

    There appears to be conflicting stories as to what went down. On one hand, Newman didn't want to work with Epworth and Adele and didn't even want to use the Bind theme apparently....and on the other, Epworth and Adele finished making the theme song too late for Newman to create a score that made generous use of implementing cues from their theme song. Anyone got anything concrete as to what actually happened?

    The upcoming rerelease of The Music of James Bond should shed some light on this. According to the Mi6 interview Burlingame has extensively interviewed both Newman and Epworth, so should find out.

    Personally, whilst I like the song, I don't think it has enough of a hook to support an entire score though.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Hmm, i'll check it out. However, I do think there were parts of the song that could have been used as melodic cues.

    This is the end
    Hold your breath and count to ten

    This is the end
    Hold your breath and count to ten
    Feel the earth move and then
    Hear my heart burst again

    Let the sky fall

    Let the sky fall
    When it crumbles
    We will stand tall
    Face it all together

    Where you go I go
    What you see I see

    These 5 parts could have been instrumented into melodic cues I feel.

  • edited August 2014 Posts: 2,598
    Having a slow instrumental of SF in the movie would have been wonderful and just like Barry would have done. Also, why do they no longer play a nice ballad or the theme song again over the end credits anymore? Damn I miss the good old days.

    I wouldn't be against having Adele again. I wonder how much truth there is to this. Have they really asked her again, I wonder? Have Eon ever asked the same artist to do two consecutive Bond songs? Bassey never did two in a row, although maybe they asked her to.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited August 2014 Posts: 12,459
    My understanding is Newman did his own thing and did not want to incorporate the theme song into the soundtrack. Period. He did not even work much or at all in the one segment (Komodo Dragon) that does have Skyfall in it; and it is gorgeous, but I believe that was J.A.C. Redford's work. And Newman did not want the James Bond theme in it either, at least not much at all, but he did add that some. He was told at the time he had to put it in a bit; there were disagreements between him and the producers, to put it succinctly. Especially the theme song; I believe he did not want it in the soundtrack. But the producers insisted. I believe Adele and Epworth had it written in plenty of time for it to be included; it was Newman's decision to go a different direction.

    Many of us would have loved to have had it woven into the soundtrack at times, and I want that for Bond 24. If Newman returns, I hope he is much more willing to give us certain things that make it sound like a Bond film, even while being wholly creative on the rest of the soundtrack himself. He certainly has the talent. I believe his ego, or at least his own strong vision that did not include the theme song for Skyfall, got in the way.

    It would be nice to have a male singer this time. I do not know who would be considered a front runner at this point.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    My understanding is Newman did his own thing and did not want to incorporate the theme song into the soundtrack. Period. He did not even work much or at all in the one segment (Komodo Dragon) that does have Skyfall in it; and it is gorgeous, but I believe that was Jac Redford's work (I'll need to check his name again; this is just from memory). And Newman did not want the James Bond theme in it either, at least not much at all. He was told at the time he had to put it in a bit; there were disagreements between him and the producers, to put it succintly. I believe Adele and Epworth had it written in plenty of time for it to be included; it was Newman's decision to go a different direction.

    Many of us would have loved to have had it woven into the soundtrack at times, and I want that for Bond 24. If Newman returns, I hope he is much more willing to give us certain things that make it sound like a Bond film, even while being wholly creative on the rest of the soundtrack himself. He certainly has the talent. I believe his ego, or at least his own strong vision that did not include the theme song for Skyfall, got in the way.

    It would be nice to have a male singer this time. I do not know who would be considered a front runner at this point.

    I get that some composers don't like using established themes but for crying out loud it's a JAMES BOND MOVIE!!! use the theme please. Bond has earned it already! I'm sick of movie scores with generic themeless music that would only serve as background music in a video game! David Arnold used it very well.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited August 2014 Posts: 12,459
    Adding a bit since @doubleoego brought up the lack of the theme song in cues or at any time throughout Skyfall (I know this has been discussed a good deal on other threads ...)
    Anyway, info from Wikipedia (yeah, I know; listing the sources at the bottom):

    RE: Skyfall, the song, and its inclusion in the Komodo Dragon segment:
    The song was not included in Skyfall: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack, marking the second time in the Bond series that the theme song was split from the soundtrack album, following "You Know My Name" from Casino Royale in 2006.[28]
    Wilson and Broccoli still asked composer Thomas Newman to include a reference to "Skyfall" in the film's score, "so that it didn't appear as a kind of 'one off' at the top of the movie". Newman opted to include an interpolation in the track "Komodo Dragon", used in a scene where Bond enters a casino in Macau. According to Newman the scene had "a real moment of 'Bond' swagger", and the music fitted the scene accordingly.[29][30] Epworth was visited by Newman for advice, and Redford, who was already doing the score's orchestration, was requested to arrange "Komodo Dragon"; Newman was unable to do the arrangement because he felt that his task "was already so huge and daunting".[29]


    source #28: Caulfield, Keith (16 November 2012). "'Skyfall' Soundtrack: Highest-Charting Bond Album in 27 Years". Billboard. Prometheus Global Media.
    source #29: Schweiger, Daniel (5 November 2012). "Interview with Thomas Newman". Film Music Magazine
    source #30: Hewitt, Chris (2012). "Thomas Newman On The Skyfall Soundtrack". Empire.

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    Anyway, moving forward - I have not read any firm rumors, speculation about any artist except Adele and that was ages ago. Hoping we get some news on the singer or group soon.
  • edited August 2014 Posts: 2,598
    I liked how the Bond theme wasn't used too often. If one hears it to often it takes you out of the film somewhat as it's such an iconic, well known tune. I think it's best to keep the Bond theme to a minimum. Play it with the gunbarrel of course and at the beginning where it belongs, then bits and pieces of it in the film.

    As for Newman not wanting to use the Skyfall theme, what a load of bu****it. I don't want him back if he refuses to use theme songs. Sounds very egotistical to me.

    Did Adele not wanting to have her song on the soundtrack album have anything to do with Newman being unable to use it in the movie? Although if he used it in the casino scene, then he must have been allowed I guess.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Thanks @4EverBonded for elaborating on the details. Newman sounds like he was an unnecessary headache to work with. I don't understand why anyone would score a Bond film and not carry out the proper duty of what's expected; especially for what was the 50th anniversary.
    Still, the Bond theme itself doesn't need to be overused and since Craig's appointment as Bind the theme has been used sparingly with cues of the Bond theme used to brilliant effect; David Arnold really did an excellent job for both CR and QoS.
    It's impetigo be that EoN get someone to score Bond 24 who isn't going to make basic and fundamental expectations an issue.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
    edited August 2014 Posts: 4,012
    OK, I wasn't quite sure where to put this so I'm leaving the link here and giving it a mention at the timeline thread. Paloma Faith tells in an intervew with the Evening Standard that came out yesterday that what she really wants is to sing a Bond theme. I'm all for that!

    http://www.standard.co.uk/goingout/music/prom-queen-paloma-faith-interview-9698729.html
  • Posts: 5,767
    I´d have gone with ACDC, their 40-year-celebration pretty much coinciding with Bond 24 and all, but I just listened to some Arctic Monkeys posted here five pages ago, and to my big surprise I really like it, so they´re my new first choice.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    boldfinger wrote: »
    I´d have gone with ACDC, their 40-year-celebration pretty much coinciding with Bond 24 and all, but I just listened to some Arctic Monkeys posted here five pages ago, and to my big surprise I really like it, so they´re my new first choice.

    Arctic Monkeys are great, they are one of my favourite bands and they've been on my list, again, for years. But Paloma Faith is one of those artists who were made to sing a Bond theme!
  • edited August 2014 Posts: 11,119
    It seems after Sam Smith, the next singer to be rumoured to sing the Bond 24 title song is Lana del Rey: http://www.mtv.co.uk/james-bond/news/lana-del-rey-for-next-james-bond-theme-song

    Here some of her better songs:





    The title theme for "Maleficent":

    The title theme for "The Great Gatsby":


    I must say, I'm not a big fan of the melodies she sings. For me they sometimes are a bit too forgettable. But her voice however is wunderful jazzy, sultry and sexy. And being part of the Bond family usually results into great unforgettable melodies. Look to Paul Epworth. Perhaps Daniel Kleinman can actually use del Rey's looks for the main title sequence, like Binder did with Sheena Easton ;-).

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    I do think, if EON chooses Lana del Rey, they have a wunderful replacement for Adele. She also sang the title theme for "The Great Gatsby". I also think that EON is not really jumping to have a rock band/star again for a Bond theme in a while. With Adele the more classic, sultry, smooth and down-tempo songs have become more "trendy" again. Just like in the 1960's for such a long time (Shirley Bassey, Tom Jones, Nancy Sinatra, Louis Armstrong).
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    I really don't like the idea of Lana del Rey, her voice is as fake as the rest of her.
  • Posts: 11,119
    Sandy wrote: »
    I really don't like the idea of Lana del Rey, her voice is as fake as the rest of her.

    Well, I disagree with you then :-). In a friendly way off course.
  • edited September 2014 Posts: 11,425
    Lana del Rey would be a decent choice.

    Really disappointed that Newman is returning. I would have liked Hans Zimmer to be given a turn. He is a brilliant collaborator - happy to work with others and always sharing the credit with those he works with. Newman seems utterly unsuited to the collaborative nature of a Bond movie.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited September 2014 Posts: 14,263
    The choice of Lana to do the theme is a no-brainer- too obvious a choice. I enjoy a lot of her songs, and would welcome her Bond theme, but at the same time, I'd like to think that Eon can still surprise us, like they did with Cornell. I certainly didn't see that coming. Perhaps the same can be said for White/Keys/a duet. Interesting comment by @Sandy, though- I have noticed Lana does give off a slight pretentious vibe.
  • edited September 2014 Posts: 11,425
    I think Cornell's involvement was probably all down to David Arnold. Unlike Newman, Arnold is happiest when collaborating with others and has a good idea of what voice will suit what song. Look at kd lang and Surrender - another fabulous Arnold theme song. Cornell and kd lang were both pretty left-field choices, but worked brilliantly. It's where Arnold's pop background really helps and why he really wasn't a bad choice for Bond at all. I don't think Newman is even interested in or capable of writing a decent theme song any way, so I suspect we'll be having another disjointed soundtrack, regardless of how good the title track is.

    My fear is that without the composing quality of Adele/Epworth, it will be left to the performing artist alone to write the song, as with Jack White. The results when this happens are usually below par.

    Shame Newman seems to be such an egotistical twerp. His lacklustre score (the worst since GE?) would have been massively improved by including more the Adele title track. This kind of stupidity just makes me really angry - when something could so easily have been so much better, but due to the ego of some overrated Hollywood 'name' the end result is just not very good.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited September 2014 Posts: 14,263
    I thought GE's score was leagues ahead of SF's- if for no other reason than it was at least being original and unique. For me, the only real memorable music from SF was the part where Bond operates the digger and on the drive to SF.
  • Posts: 11,425
    Well, GE's score is definitely more memorable, in the sense that it's stand out awful. Probably the worst of the entire series. So I'll grant you that Newman's score isn't that bad, just the worst since GE. Totally bland and without even the slightest sense that he was interested in or cared about the incredible musical legacy of the Bond movies. Still, I prefer forgettable from Newman to the car crash soundtrack we had for GE. A real shame, as I think EON were trying to be a bit adventurous - Serra just did a really poor job. Might have been appropriate on a Luc Besson movie, but just didn't suit Bond at all.
  • Well, @Getafix, @QBranch....as you can see in this topic that I created, with all arguments mentioned by me why I actually support a return of Thomas Newman, I wholeheartedly disagree. Not 100%, but 300%:

    http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/7089/bring-thomas-newman-back-for-bond-24-appreciation-topic/p1

    I always thought, and still think, that David Arnold misses a certain talent that Thomas Newman has IMO: Depth, warmth, pre-composed written music on paper without actually watching the actual scenes, in the vain of John Barry. Thomas Newman for me is besides a magnificent movie score composer, also a magnificent modern classical music composer and a magnificent conductor as well.

    As you can read in the above topic, Thomas Newman for me was a master move. I know a lot of fans think that Newman was helped by the fact that he composed a 50-year-jubilee Bond film when he received a Grammy Award, a BAFTA Award and an Oscar nomination. But I strongly disagree.

    Now my question to all of you. Where was it confirmed that Thomas Newman won't do Bond 24?? Because when I Google for that information, I don't find anything. Except the above topic ;-).
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Eon hasn't confirmed Newman either way. All we know is what Arnold said:

    http://i.imgur.com/fhWeCxy.jpg
  • What about British singer Laura Mvula? I was already a bit of a fan after hearing her song "That's Allright". She combines American soul with upbeat African rhythms. Instrumentally it's a bit big band. And like Adele, backing singers also give wunderful support to Laura's songs. Not to hide that she could be a bad singer. On the contrary, her sultry voice is reminiscent of Dusty Springfield and Dionne Warwick. The backings simply make the tracks sound incredibly rich and grand.




    And for the lovers of some real "John Barry"-esque orchestrations, a new album was released. All her songs from her first album "Sing At The Moon" were re-orchestrated by the Dutch Metropole Orchestra. Please indulge in pure classy soul with a dash of jazz. You can listen to the entire album here:

  • Anyone?
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Sandy wrote: »
    I really don't like the idea of Lana del Rey, her voice is as fake as the rest of her.

    I wouldn't say fake... depressing, yes. Like a broken record:



    That woudl be one aspect of the film I could look forawrd to. [-O<
  • Posts: 11,425
    Anyone?

    nah
  • Getafix wrote: »
    Anyone?

    nah

    Uhm...you sure?


    :-P
  • Posts: 11,425
    What is that? Surreal.
  • Getafix wrote: »
    What is that? Surreal.

    It's "Nah" :P
  • Posts: 2,598
    I know who I don't want - Sam Smith. His songs bore the hell out of me.
  • edited September 2014 Posts: 2,598
    Bounine wrote: »
    I know who I don't want - Sam Smith. His songs bore the hell out of me.

    In terms of composers, I think Newman is the superior artist out of him and Arnold. With Arnold's compositions, you get the impression he gets bored toward the end of the film and just throws in a lot of noise. His scores in the Bond films atleast, aren't as atmospheric as Newman's. The only thing Newman's SF score was missing was a nice slow harmony. One gets the impression with Anold though that he tries too hard to make his scores sound big and Bondian without really properly feeling the mood and tone of the scene. Not all the time but certainly sometimes. He does have some nice isolated tracks, mostly being the slower ones, but overall his Bond scores are somewhat lacklustre. QOS was a bit of an improvement.

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