The DANIEL CRAIG Appreciation thread - Discuss His Life, His Career, His Bond Films

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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I didn't find him looking weary in SF at all. I thought the crew cut suited him and thought he looked pretty good, except for when he had the stubble thing going on. I just didn't like the burst out of your underwear suits.

    I thought he looked much older in SP, despite the longer hair. Particularly in that opening scene in M's office.

    He had lines and stress marks sagging all over his face in some SF scenes, and that's what really made me believe in the journey of Bond rising from the ashes. In SP his swagger offsets a lot of aging I see in him, which isn't a lot anyway.
    I found him much more youthful in SF and I'm not sure why. I actually thought he looked younger in parts than he does in QoS. It could be the hair cut. The only part where I thought he looked 'off' apart from the stubble sequences was in the casino due to his hair style.

    For some reason, I thought he looked either very tired and ragged in SP, or strangely 'made up' (especially in the PTS when he's tracking Sciarra and also when he's with Blofeld and Madeline).
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    bondjames wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I didn't find him looking weary in SF at all. I thought the crew cut suited him and thought he looked pretty good, except for when he had the stubble thing going on. I just didn't like the burst out of your underwear suits.

    I thought he looked much older in SP, despite the longer hair. Particularly in that opening scene in M's office.

    He had lines and stress marks sagging all over his face in some SF scenes, and that's what really made me believe in the journey of Bond rising from the ashes. In SP his swagger offsets a lot of aging I see in him, which isn't a lot anyway.
    I found him much more youthful in SF and I'm not sure why. I actually thought he looked younger in parts than he does in QoS. It could be the hair cut. The only part where I thought he looked 'off' apart from the stubble sequences was in the casino due to his hair style.

    For some reason, I thought he looked either very tired and ragged in SP, or strangely 'made up' (especially in the PTS when he's tracking Sciarra and also when he's with Blofeld and Madeline).

    I hear this conflicting opinion with Dan often, @bondjames, like no other Bond actor really. In some shots with certain lighting he looks entirely different from scene to scene. I guess it's down to his very unusual looks that don't fit the expected attractiveness of a leading man. He's got a more ragged and rough appeal, and his face can then be viewed as youthful or aged in moment to moment depending on what he's doing and how he's lit.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    bondjames wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I didn't find him looking weary in SF at all. I thought the crew cut suited him and thought he looked pretty good, except for when he had the stubble thing going on. I just didn't like the burst out of your underwear suits.

    I thought he looked much older in SP, despite the longer hair. Particularly in that opening scene in M's office.

    He had lines and stress marks sagging all over his face in some SF scenes, and that's what really made me believe in the journey of Bond rising from the ashes. In SP his swagger offsets a lot of aging I see in him, which isn't a lot anyway.
    I found him much more youthful in SF and I'm not sure why. I actually thought he looked younger in parts than he does in QoS. It could be the hair cut. The only part where I thought he looked 'off' apart from the stubble sequences was in the casino due to his hair style.

    For some reason, I thought he looked either very tired and ragged in SP, or strangely 'made up' (especially in the PTS when he's tracking Sciarra and also when he's with Blofeld and Madeline).

    I hear this conflicting opinion with Dan often, @bondjames, like no other Bond actor really. In some shots with certain lighting he looks entirely different from scene to scene. I guess it's down to his very unusual looks that don't fit the expected attractiveness of a leading man. He's got a more ragged and rough appeal, and his face can then be viewed as youthful or aged in moment to moment depending on what he's doing and how he's lit.
    I fully agree with your assessment. I realized that before he actually became Bond, but after he was announced. I tracked down some of his films to see what he was about, and realized right away that he had the kind of look that required some finessing by the camera, unlike some of the pretty boys out there.
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    Craig looked way younger in SP. He was ancient looking in the london training in SF.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    bondjames wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I didn't find him looking weary in SF at all. I thought the crew cut suited him and thought he looked pretty good, except for when he had the stubble thing going on. I just didn't like the burst out of your underwear suits.

    I thought he looked much older in SP, despite the longer hair. Particularly in that opening scene in M's office.

    He had lines and stress marks sagging all over his face in some SF scenes, and that's what really made me believe in the journey of Bond rising from the ashes. In SP his swagger offsets a lot of aging I see in him, which isn't a lot anyway.
    I found him much more youthful in SF and I'm not sure why. I actually thought he looked younger in parts than he does in QoS. It could be the hair cut. The only part where I thought he looked 'off' apart from the stubble sequences was in the casino due to his hair style.

    For some reason, I thought he looked either very tired and ragged in SP, or strangely 'made up' (especially in the PTS when he's tracking Sciarra and also when he's with Blofeld and Madeline).

    I hear this conflicting opinion with Dan often, @bondjames, like no other Bond actor really. In some shots with certain lighting he looks entirely different from scene to scene. I guess it's down to his very unusual looks that don't fit the expected attractiveness of a leading man. He's got a more ragged and rough appeal, and his face can then be viewed as youthful or aged in moment to moment depending on what he's doing and how he's lit.
    I fully agree with your assessment. I realized that before he actually became Bond, but after he was announced. I tracked down some of his films to see what he was about, and realized right away that he had the kind of look that required some finessing by the camera, unlike some of the pretty boys out there.

    It becomes obvious how important dressing and coloring an actor accordingly can be on a film set. If the colors or lighting are wrong, things feel off. This is especially true for Bond, where each actor has to be tailored in suits that match their body type and the fabric colors must accentuate their unique features. It's why Dan is often in blue, to pop out his eyes, and why the same thing was done to Sean for his brown hair and eyes.

    In some scenes in TB for example, heavy blues make Sean youthful and vibrant, while the tailoring of a suit later on shows his age more. It's fascinating how color choices and lines on a suit's cut can play with our eyes and make us perceive different things about how a person looks and feels on the screen. As an artist, I find it especially fascinating.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Craig is one of those people that can't keep a consistent look when filmed or photographed. There are times where he looks like a handsome dude and then in the same shot or scene he looks a lot less flattering. I think that of all his Bond films, the look he had where he was consistent was QoS, which is a look I like for him and CR to a slightly lesser degree in the consistency of his look.
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    QOS is by miles the film Craig looks the best in..he isnt ageing well.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I go with CR
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I didn't find him looking weary in SF at all. I thought the crew cut suited him and thought he looked pretty good, except for when he had the stubble thing going on. I just didn't like the burst out of your underwear suits.

    I thought he looked much older in SP, despite the longer hair. Particularly in that opening scene in M's office.

    He had lines and stress marks sagging all over his face in some SF scenes, and that's what really made me believe in the journey of Bond rising from the ashes. In SP his swagger offsets a lot of aging I see in him, which isn't a lot anyway.

    His swagger was exaggerated in SP, it wasn't like that in previous films.
    It was totally unnecessary, Craig naturally walks and moves great.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I didn't find him looking weary in SF at all. I thought the crew cut suited him and thought he looked pretty good, except for when he had the stubble thing going on. I just didn't like the burst out of your underwear suits.

    I thought he looked much older in SP, despite the longer hair. Particularly in that opening scene in M's office.

    He had lines and stress marks sagging all over his face in some SF scenes, and that's what really made me believe in the journey of Bond rising from the ashes. In SP his swagger offsets a lot of aging I see in him, which isn't a lot anyway.

    His swagger was exaggerated in SP, it wasn't like that in previous films.
    It was totally unnecessary, Craig naturally walks and moves great.

    He's always been a peacock flaunting his feathers. Felt natural and expected to me.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I didn't find him looking weary in SF at all. I thought the crew cut suited him and thought he looked pretty good, except for when he had the stubble thing going on. I just didn't like the burst out of your underwear suits.

    I thought he looked much older in SP, despite the longer hair. Particularly in that opening scene in M's office.

    He had lines and stress marks sagging all over his face in some SF scenes, and that's what really made me believe in the journey of Bond rising from the ashes. In SP his swagger offsets a lot of aging I see in him, which isn't a lot anyway.

    His swagger was exaggerated in SP, it wasn't like that in previous films.
    It was totally unnecessary, Craig naturally walks and moves great.

    I thought that as well,especially in the PTS and at Lucia's house after shooting the SPECTRE men.

  • peterpeter Toronto
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    I think DC looks great there @Mendes4Lyfe; I know you have a lust to prove DC's over the hill to play Bond, but give the boy a shave and he looks striking.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I didn't find him looking weary in SF at all. I thought the crew cut suited him and thought he looked pretty good, except for when he had the stubble thing going on. I just didn't like the burst out of your underwear suits.

    I thought he looked much older in SP, despite the longer hair. Particularly in that opening scene in M's office.

    He had lines and stress marks sagging all over his face in some SF scenes, and that's what really made me believe in the journey of Bond rising from the ashes. In SP his swagger offsets a lot of aging I see in him, which isn't a lot anyway.

    His swagger was exaggerated in SP, it wasn't like that in previous films.
    It was totally unnecessary, Craig naturally walks and moves great.

    I thought that as well,especially in the PTS and at Lucia's house after shooting the SPECTRE men.
    Ditto. Not to mention during the scene outside of M's office when MP catches up to him.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Wait... wait... maybe I'm confused here, boys, I thought this was an appreciation thread... I do appreciate the man, think he's an amazing Bond, and this is a thread that celebrates that, no?

    Perhaps a thread can be started on how much DC sucks? How he was a terrible Bond, too short, too much swagger, etc., ect., but; this thread is an appreciation of...
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    bondjames wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I didn't find him looking weary in SF at all. I thought the crew cut suited him and thought he looked pretty good, except for when he had the stubble thing going on. I just didn't like the burst out of your underwear suits.

    I thought he looked much older in SP, despite the longer hair. Particularly in that opening scene in M's office.

    He had lines and stress marks sagging all over his face in some SF scenes, and that's what really made me believe in the journey of Bond rising from the ashes. In SP his swagger offsets a lot of aging I see in him, which isn't a lot anyway.

    His swagger was exaggerated in SP, it wasn't like that in previous films.
    It was totally unnecessary, Craig naturally walks and moves great.

    I thought that as well,especially in the PTS and at Lucia's house after shooting the SPECTRE men.
    Ditto. Not to mention during the scene outside of M's office when MP catches up to him.

    The same could be said of Connery. They both have that panther walk/swagger. It's very much a cinematic "I know the camera is on me" walk, but that's part of what makes it so cool. It makes Bond the prowling predator he's intended to be, always slinking to the next threat.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    bondjames wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I didn't find him looking weary in SF at all. I thought the crew cut suited him and thought he looked pretty good, except for when he had the stubble thing going on. I just didn't like the burst out of your underwear suits.

    I thought he looked much older in SP, despite the longer hair. Particularly in that opening scene in M's office.

    He had lines and stress marks sagging all over his face in some SF scenes, and that's what really made me believe in the journey of Bond rising from the ashes. In SP his swagger offsets a lot of aging I see in him, which isn't a lot anyway.

    His swagger was exaggerated in SP, it wasn't like that in previous films.
    It was totally unnecessary, Craig naturally walks and moves great.

    I thought that as well,especially in the PTS and at Lucia's house after shooting the SPECTRE men.
    Ditto. Not to mention during the scene outside of M's office when MP catches up to him.

    The same could be said of Connery. They both have that panther walk/swagger. It's very much a cinematic "I know the camera is on me" walk, but that's part of what makes it so cool. It makes Bond the prowling predator he's intended to be, always slinking to the next threat.
    We're obviously seeing the same thing and getting two completely different impressions of it. Connery was indeed a panther on the move. Craig is not. The difference from where I'm viewing it: One appears terribly self conscious about it (I am referring only to SP), and the other is just incredibly natural about it.

    I could get into more details, but given the appreciation police are knocking at the door, I'll sign off.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
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    Craig won't be too old until he can't move with the agility and as forceful like he did in his installments so far. It's part of his signature like the whole backstory thing. See Tom Cruise - he still delivers believeable action (of course with the help of movie magic). So to me it's just that: If Craig is fit enough for the part, he can play Bond even 5 years from now.

    IMHO he looked best in QoS. He was less bulky than in CR, more ripped and that gave him additional agility - and it suited him well. I am not sure if he could still look like that if he would become as slim and defined as he was in QoS - but I bet it would help the action scenes.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Next time around he'll probably be a lot more conscious of the stunts, because of what the injury to his knee did to SP's production. If it wasn't for him and his ability to keep shooting through the pain, that movie wouldn't have released in 2015.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    bondjames wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I didn't find him looking weary in SF at all. I thought the crew cut suited him and thought he looked pretty good, except for when he had the stubble thing going on. I just didn't like the burst out of your underwear suits.

    I thought he looked much older in SP, despite the longer hair. Particularly in that opening scene in M's office.

    He had lines and stress marks sagging all over his face in some SF scenes, and that's what really made me believe in the journey of Bond rising from the ashes. In SP his swagger offsets a lot of aging I see in him, which isn't a lot anyway.

    His swagger was exaggerated in SP, it wasn't like that in previous films.
    It was totally unnecessary, Craig naturally walks and moves great.

    I thought that as well,especially in the PTS and at Lucia's house after shooting the SPECTRE men.
    Ditto. Not to mention during the scene outside of M's office when MP catches up to him.

    The same could be said of Connery. They both have that panther walk/swagger. It's very much a cinematic "I know the camera is on me" walk, but that's part of what makes it so cool. It makes Bond the prowling predator he's intended to be, always slinking to the next threat.
    We're obviously seeing the same thing and getting two completely different impressions of it. Connery was indeed a panther on the move. Craig is not. The difference from where I'm viewing it: One appears terribly self conscious about it (I am referring only to SP), and the other is just incredibly natural about it.

    I could get into more details, but given the appreciation police are knocking at the door, I'll sign off.

    I agree with this assessment. Connery made everything he did seem natural. The way he walked...that was an art form in itself. Craig's swagger I had no complaints with...until SP. It was most definitely exaggerated a few times in the movie and it was just so distracting to watch and as you said, Craig looked self conscious about it. He doesn't need to employ such an exaggerated and poorly realised gimmick of a walk; he's more than able to pull off that natural swagger.
    In the past I've often said SP was the first Bond film where I felt Craig looked as though he was teying to act like James Bond instead of being him and this is one of many examples.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    C'mon @bondjames, that's hitting a little below the belt. This IS an appreciation thread, and I, as others, come to read positive things about this particular actor.

    I don't go on the Dalton or Moore or Brosnan appreciation threads because, although I can enjoy them, I know I can be awfully critical of them as well, and that's not the forum to vent.

    However, I have expressed my opinions about them on relevant threads, as many have expressed their dislike for Craig as well (to little or no response from me); on the other threads it's all fair in love and war, but on this thread, it's like the Church in HIGHLANDER: a no battle zone
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    But Brosnan s fair game on this thread, right?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    @peter I saw an ongoing discussion and decided to chime in with my opinion on something specific, which is my right. Then others wanted to continue on with discussion, which is also their right. However, I respected your wish to not pollute this 'appreciation' thread with my opinion that Craig moves like a joker in SP, and so pulled out of discussing it further.

    For the record, we were not discussing Craig as a person, but rather something specific about his performance in SP, where opinions can legitimately differ.

    Having said that, I respected your wishes, and that should be the end of that. Moving on.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    THE END

    PS Craig does exaggerate his swagger in SP.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    peter wrote: »
    C'mon @bondjames, that's hitting a little below the belt. This IS an appreciation thread, and I, as others, come to read positive things about this particular actor.

    I don't go on the Dalton or Moore or Brosnan appreciation threads because, although I can enjoy them, I know I can be awfully critical of them as well, and that's not the forum to vent.

    However, I have expressed my opinions about them on relevant threads, as many have expressed their dislike for Craig as well (to little or no response from me); on the other threads it's all fair in love and war, but on this thread, it's like the Church in HIGHLANDER: a no battle zone

    I don't think it's as big a deal as you've made out, with all due respect. I wish the kind of "haters" we have to deal with here were more like @bondjames, so I don't think he's someone anyone would have to worry about. We have differing opinions, but you can't ever accuse him of talking out the other end, and he wasn't arguing disparagingly.

    If a discussion about Dan's great work spirals into his performances, I don't see why we can't compare and contrast his acting in different films, as positives and negatives would be balanced. I was genuinely curious about people's thoughts, and it wasn't like he or @doubleoego were causing a raucous. Again, you've got the wrong boys for that kind of behavior. It's a far different thing to state a small thought about Dan's performance in SP as being less that stellar to before, than what you see in Brosnan threads where people pop in to say he sucks before leaving on a random note.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Thanks @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7. Just to possibly clear the air here, I don't mind staying on topic in an Appreciation thread. It's what it's for after all and I 'appreciate' (pun intended) @peter reminding me of that fact. It's why I pulled out of the discussion.

    I just sometimes get a little peeved by some of these threads being almost safe spaces, which I've never been a fan of online. I'm all for open discussion no matter where it is, because it's difficult to stop a conversation which begins organically in mid stream and take it to another 'appropriate' thread. The flow tends to die.

    So it's a bit of a catch 22, but I agree that this was perhaps not the place for our discussion.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @bondjames, I think it's okay as long as the talks come from a good place. It's only an issue when one or more members engage in "slam talk," for lack of a better word, which wasn't the case here. I've seen appreciation threads turn genuinely nasty, so it isn't always a pleasant exchange of ideas. I really only see this with Brosnan, however, and he's also the one that gets the random hate in threads that have nothing to do with him.

    If people are upset about this, we can discuss our points elsewhere, though.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 and @bondjames , believe me, I appreciate bondjames's opinions on everything and find him to be reasonable and thoughtful.

    However, there's been so much DC bashing since SP, and I can understand why, but, when I come to an "appreciation " thread, that's what I expect to read: an appreciation of...

    I have no problem with reading criticisms of DC on other threads- after all, it's an open dialogue but; this "appreciation " thread was a sanctuary: to read about the positives of the man, his career, and, obviously, the positives he brings to Bond.

    Like I have stated: I have never been on the appreciation threads of Moore, Dalton or Pierce, so if it got nasty, I wouldn't know, but;

    Since it did, I find it wholly unnecessary, since, no matter what I think of the actor, that thread is a place for fans to go and celebrate. To do otherwise, in such a setting, would be the equivalent of the uninvited, and drunken, person at a wedding.

    There are plenty of other open forums to argue for or against a particular Bond actor. Let's leave the appreciation thread to do just that, or... change its title.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Fair enough.
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
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    It was I who started the swagger comments, so I apologize for doing so in an appreciation thread.

    It wasn't primarily aimed at Craig, more at Mendes. I believe the swagger was Mendes' idea for the purpose of making Bond look more heroic and badass. Unnecessary, IMO.

    As I said, Craig walks and moves perfectly, he is probably the best since Connery in that regard.

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