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  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    MrBond wrote:
    I would love to see Campbell return, even though Mendes was a superb director!

    But what about Spielberg, wouldn't be right time now to have such a A-list director?
    echo wrote:
    Spielberg is past his prime.

    For me it depends; If he manages to channel both his fun (Jurassic, Indiana J) side and his serious (Munich, Saving P. Ryan, etc) side together, it'd be a good time.

    He's made a lot of clunkers since 2002.

  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    edited January 2013 Posts: 4,043
    Campbell's a fine director but what I was saying is that Mendes and SF's success will show other A list directors what can be done with a Bond film and the que forming to direct the next film will have increased with far more individual film makers than before as opposed to journey man directors for hire who have filled the chair before.

    No disrespect towards Campbell but he's no craftsman, he does a good job but nothing much more, maybe some don't want individual stamps on Bond and would prefer a film directed by a committee (essentially what EON has been in the past) but I don't think MGW or BB will want that with the reaction that came from their decision to hire an Oscar winning director for SF.

    CR is great but look at what Campbell has done since, at best substandard and as for Spotiswoode and Donaldson I make no apologies for calling them hacks.
  • edited January 2013 Posts: 12,837
    John Glen was a hack but he was a good action director who I think consistently (apart from AVTAK) delivered great Bond films for years.

    I'd rather have another Glen than another arty farty director who turns up, does one and never comes back, no matter how much praise and Oscar talk that one film gets.

    SF was great but Mendes is already on about how tiring it is, etc. Now he could return, and if he does then that's fantastic, but I'm not sure he will.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Shardlake wrote:
    Campbell's a fine director but what I was saying is that Mendes and SF's success will show other A list directors what can be done with a Bond film and the que forming to direct the next film will have increased with far more individual film makers than before as opposed to journey man directors for hire who have filled the chair before.

    No disrespect towards Campbell but he's no craftsman, he does a good job but nothing much more, maybe some don't want individual stamps on Bond and would prefer a film directed by a committee (essentially what EON has been in the past) but I don't think MGW or BB will want that with the reaction that came from their decision to hire an Oscar winning director for SF.

    CR is great but look at what Campbell has done since, at best substandard and as for Spotiswoode and Donaldson I make no apologies for calling them hacks.

    Hmm...Metacritic has CR and SF tied at 81.

    Maybe Campbell's true calling is Bond films.
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    Campbell has said he won't do another one. But he may need a sure thing after Green Lantern so anythings possible.

    Mendes or Campbell returing would be fine by me.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I would love seeing Campbell return, preferably for the first film for the next actor who gets the role of Bond. But, it seems that will be a few years away, so maybe one more film with Craig. I'd really enjoy that.
  • Posts: 37
    Already? Does that mean the screenplay has already been written?
  • Posts: 5,745
    MrSenor wrote:
    Already? Does that mean the screenplay has already been written?

    Logan supposedly started writing in August.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,350
    MrSenor wrote:
    Already? Does that mean the screenplay has already been written?

    It wouldn't surprise me if this was the case. Logan has been rumoured to have pitched his ideas in October 2011. Everything should be set for November filming.
  • Posts: 9,770
    Bond 24 more then likely has a working title we don't know about already.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    John Glen was a hack but he was a good action director who I think consistently (apart from AVTAK) delivered great Bond films for years.

    I'd rather have another Glen than another arty farty director who turns up, does one and never comes back, no matter how much praise and Oscar talk that one film gets.

    SF was great but Mendes is already on about how tiring it is, etc. Now he could return, and if he does then that's fantastic, but I'm not sure he will.

    Another made by a committee entry, maybe that is satisfying to you but I think we've seen enough of those type of entries and EON know this, the next entry won't be a Glen or a Campbell it will more like Mendes, Boyle or maybe Tom Hooper.

    Only a Bond fan would sing the praises of John Glen.
  • Posts: 2,598
    If Campbell still plans to direct big action films then he can direct another Bond film. He doesn't seem keen on doing it though. Campbell did set the bar with CR and despite the character movement and wonderful Flemingsque moments in SF, I still think I prefer CR. The latter had better humour I felt in general too. Does anyone think that CR has more action than SF or around the same?
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Bounine wrote:
    If Campbell still plans to direct big action films then he can direct another Bond film. He doesn't seem keen on doing it though. Campbell did set the bar with CR and despite the character movement and wonderful Flemingsque moments in SF, I still think I prefer CR. The latter had better humour I felt in general too. Does anyone think that CR has more action than SF or around the same?

    CR feels like it has a lot more action.
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    That's a downside to CR. You're probably right. By right, I should like SF more than CR but for some reason I don't. CR just seems like a richer film with obvious Flemingsque scenes too. If SF had have had more of a story then I may have liked it more. It's a great film but it's missing something. Some of the humour in SF put me off a bit to. Mendes said that Eon stated that a Bond film only has to have three action scenes! We always end up getting more than that!
  • Bounine wrote:
    That's a downside to CR. You're probably right. By right, I should like SF more than CR but for some reason I don't. CR just seems like a richer film with obvious Flemingsque scenes too. If SF had have had more of a story then I may have liked it more. It's a great film but it's missing something. Some of the humour in SF put me off a bit to. Mendes said that Eon stated that a Bond film only has to have three action scenes! We always end up getting more than that!

    The first time that I watched SF I found it to be surprisingly dreary; I guess I was expecting something much more "light". When I saw it the second time I didn't find it dreary or dark at all, but I think that CR has more glamour to it which makes me and others like it more. I think that SF is the better film but CR is more enjoyable. There's an element of wish fulfillment to CR and a bit of a feeling of escapist adventure.

  • edited January 2013 Posts: 2,598
    Yeah, that's another thing, SF isn't as elegant as CR which hinders my enjoyment a little. Even the casino scene in SF, I didn't find particularly elegant not to mention too humorous and a bit on the chessy side (probably the worst scene in the film). The parts in SF I liked better than CR are at the beginning when Bond is depressed and brooding at the beach, training up at Mi6 but failing and the whole scene on the deserted island with Silva. All very Flemingsque. There was also the glimpse we got of his parent's grave and the remark Kincade made about how when Bond's parents died he hid and then when he came out he was a man. Then there was Feinnes too. CR had more to it though. It is the better film. I still think that they could have done without the dull sinking building scene. Then it would have had a good balance of action. I don't like films with too much action but even though CR and TLD (Two more contemporary Bond films) have more action than SF I still like them better but obviously for other reasons.
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    I think, that diectors of a certain age should stay away from Bond. Its too exhausting to keep up the high energy level for 6 to 8 months. Even for younger men its tough, like we see with Mendes. Its tough on both levels - physically and mentally.
  • RC7RC7
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    Bounine wrote:
    That's a downside to CR. You're probably right. By right, I should like SF more than CR but for some reason I don't. CR just seems like a richer film with obvious Flemingsque scenes too. If SF had have had more of a story then I may have liked it more. It's a great film but it's missing something. Some of the humour in SF put me off a bit to. Mendes said that Eon stated that a Bond film only has to have three action scenes! We always end up getting more than that!

    The first time that I watched SF I found it to be surprisingly dreary; I guess I was expecting something much more "light". When I saw it the second time I didn't find it dreary or dark at all, but I think that CR has more glamour to it which makes me and others like it more. I think that SF is the better film but CR is more enjoyable. There's an element of wish fulfillment to CR and a bit of a feeling of escapist adventure.

    I think you've summed up how I feel about these two films pretty well. I'm really intrigued to see how SF works in a decade. CR has cemented itself as one of the best entries in the canon IMO. I'll be interested to see if SF has the repeat value of CR, in the same way FRWL is a splendid film but not one I'd turn to on a soggy Sunday afternoon.
  • edited January 2013 Posts: 12,837
    I think SF is better than CR and I think that it's a solid top 10 film, but I think it might fall a bit in peoples rankings. Normally if the new film is good, people rank it extremely highly. When CR came out I saw plenty of best Bond ever posts on boards like this, and according to people on here the same thing happened with DAD.

    People won't be calling it the best Bond ever when Bond 24 comes out, that's for sure.
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    People won't be calling it the best Bond ever when Bond 24 comes out, that's for sure.

    I doubt, that's a given. It doesn't happen with every new Bond film coming out, as we know.
    Having said that, I would love for it to be true, but to overtake SF with the next, critically and financially, they have to work some small miracles, as expectations will be even more sky high then ever. I am not sure, it can be done. If they manage to make another sccessful film, they did a great job. RT wise in the 80is and BO wise in the 800 range would be considered a success by me.
  • RC7RC7
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    When CR came out I saw plenty of best Bond ever posts on boards like this, and according to people on here the same thing happened with DAD.

    People won't be calling it the best Bond ever when Bond 24 comes out, that's for sure.

    Without a doubt. I remember the days when DAD was declared the best ever. I don't for a minute want to compare this notion with SF but as you say I think it will slip down certain people's rankings. I think it'll be solidly regarded as part of the upper echelon but it's so hard to determine as most of us have been watching the rest of the canon over and over for decades. B24 has it's work cut out, all I hope is that they build on what they have and don't rush it out. There's the potential for it to deliver a knock out blow but there's still room for improvement IMO and I hope they capitalise on it.
  • Posts: 135
    echo wrote:
    Spielberg is past his prime.

    Actually, Spielberg is the front-running Oscar contender for Best Director this year for Lincoln.
  • Posts: 6,601
    Quantum07 wrote:
    echo wrote:
    Spielberg is past his prime.

    Actually, Spielberg is the front-running Oscar contender for Best Director this year for Lincoln.

    I hope, he gets it, too.

  • Posts: 135
    Germanlady wrote:
    Quantum07 wrote:
    echo wrote:
    Spielberg is past his prime.

    Actually, Spielberg is the front-running Oscar contender for Best Director this year for Lincoln.

    I hope, he gets it, too.

    I haven't seen it yet, but I've heard really good things. I'm pulling for Skyfall in all categories!
  • edited January 2013 Posts: 12,837
    Germanlady wrote:
    People won't be calling it the best Bond ever when Bond 24 comes out, that's for sure.

    I doubt, that's a given. It doesn't happen with every new Bond film coming out, as we know.

    Not with the critics, but on sites like this, there are certain people who go mad over the new film then as the hype dies down, it slips down their rankings and all the flaws they said weren't there will suddenly be there. And then the next film comes out and the cycle continues.

    I think lots of people who rank SF really highly (lets say in their top 3) will eventually move it down, most likely around Bond 24 time.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Yep. The honeymoon euphoria of a new Bond film that is largely a success can and has often rendered many fans to heap infinite praise on it with no room for the possibility of flaws.
    I love SF and it's a top 5 Bond film for me but that being said, I'd probably rank it as 5th on my list and without hesitation I can say I feel CR is a better film overall and that's largely due to CR having a better sense of atmosphere, better score, more visceral performance from Craig, more and better action, more glamorous and a broader sense of escapism, aided with gorgeous Bobdian establishing shots.
  • What about a serial killer for the next Bond villain?

    This is where Phillip Seymour Hoffman or Kevin Spacey (most likely the latter if DC can get Sam Mendes back) can make their mark.

    Maybe the villain could be more 3-dimensional like Silva but more of the type that would scare the audience and produce a manhunt when Bond is after him to such an extent that the final fight could be an original footchase to give new things for the series to try....this wouldn't be a the same kind of footchase we've seen where Bond hides behind a pillar with a gun but something different that would put a lid on these CSI-type shows or Dexter and make a statement that the Bond series can make their same material but even better. This would also incorporate some new fans who aren't typical Bond fans as well (the fanbase for Bond is pretty loyal).
  • edited January 2013 Posts: 6,601
    Latest bs making the rounds. Not that I mind the contence - apart from the Purvis/Wade part.

    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/rehab/view/294108/Daniel-Craig-is-licence-to-till/
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    You are right, some of the stuff in that article is completely bogus, however, where the article states, “The challenge now is to get the film out as early as possible while at the same time maintaining the standard of quality Skyfall has set.” That right there is something I'm hoping for and feel can be accomplished.
  • Posts: 9,770
    while unrealistic we at least havev a new bond 24 rumor filming start date in September.

    Should it warrant a new thread or no?
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