The TIMOTHY DALTON Appreciation thread - Discuss His Life, His Career, His Bond Films

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  • Posts: 12,296
    This thread needs a bump. Not enough Dalts love on here lately, it's all about Craig at the moment. Time to remind everybody who the real best Bond ever is :D

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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited April 2013 Posts: 18,923
    I have a Dalton tattoo on my private parts (try to prove I don't >:/ ) so I carry my Dalton love with me ALL the time. Plus, it says I'm a Daltonite right here in my avatar. Every time I post, I express my Daltonite love.

    Lastly:
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  • Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
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    Dalton not getting more films is the worst missed opportunity in the series; he was amazing in the role right from the word go.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe Still waiting for the Jena Malone Batwoman movie that's never going to be made.Moderator
    edited April 2013 Posts: 11,745
    I don't know if this has been posted before:



    Timothy Dalton: Best. Bond. Ever.

    By Kevin Maher | 08 November 12


    After Roger Moore's kitsch carry-on, 007 number four was a RADA-trained purist who played Ian Fleming's Cold War killer by the book

    There's a beautiful moment at the end of Licence To Kill, the second and final of the short-lived Timothy Dalton Bond movies. After fleeing an exploding New Age meditation temple in a devastating four-rig truck chase, tumbling to the ground and setting fire to a petrol-soaked drug lord (Robert Davi), Dalton's 007 finally allows himself a breather. Smoke-blackened and scarred, he surveys the wreckage around him with a melancholic sigh. And then suddenly, and briefly, he shifts forwards and does a strangulated dry-retch. And that's when you get it. That's when, after umpteen glamorous, far-flung and babe- filled assignments, it finally hits home. James Bond's job makes him want to puke.

    It was inevitable, of course, that the Dalton Bond would end right here, dry-retching in the desert in the summer of 1989. The movie was an outright flop at the American box office (taking only $32m), and didn't fare much better around the globe (the worldwide haul was a modest $156m). Fingers were pointed, naturally, at the film's strangely prurient depiction of torture (lots of mutilations), and at the subsequently dark avenger in Bond (he tosses pilots out of planes like so many high-altitude cigarette butts). The film was slapped with a moody 15 certificate in the UK, and though Dalton was contracted to make a third Bond movie, a timely ongoing "legal dispute" between film companies EON and UA/MGM resulted in a five-year delay between projects and the impatient actor eventually departed the franchise (of the split, the actor has simply said, "After that, I didn't want to do it any more").

    And yet, surely this is only half the story. For Dalton was an Ian Fleming purist who was frequently surrounded by Bond novels on set, and who deliberately reconnected the franchise with its tough and often unflattering source material. Despite the spin that has emerged in recent years from Team Bond, especially Daniel Craig's Bond, about going back to Fleming for inspiration ("It's all about reading the books," said Craig, possibly tongue in cheek) no one can touch Dalton for genuine authenticity. Craig's Bond, for better or worse, is merely the incarnation of an interview that Fleming gave to the New Yorker in 1962, in which he nervously referred to Bond as "a blunt instrument" (Judi Dench's M uses the line in Casino Royale). The new, rebooted franchise has thus taken this trope at its most literal and transformed its Bond into a beefy no-neck killing machine with a capacity for moments of tenderness and reflection, but who's happier punching, kicking and thwacking, and running straight through plasterboard walls. Similarly, Pierce Brosnan's Bond was deeply indebted to the camp theatrics of Sir Roger Moore's Bond, which was a reaction, in turn, to Sir Sean Connery's grittier Bond which, when you think about it, wasn't that gritty at all (Little Nellie, the rocket-firing autogyro from You Only Live Twice; the Aston Martin with the ejector seat in Goldfinger; Connery quipping, "She had her kicks!" in Dr. No, as Rosa Klebb is shot after she attempts to kill him with a blade attached to her shoe, etc).

    The Living Daylights allows Dalton a single moment of kitsch in the opening scene, but then it's straight into Fleming territory as the dyspeptic, lonely hit man caught in a tangled love triangle

    Dalton's Bond, on the other hand, was an anomaly and a revelation when he first appeared in the summer of 1987 in The Living Daylights. The film allows him a single moment of kitsch in the opening scene (some business with a parachute and a bikini babe), but then it's straight into Fleming territory and to the depiction of a super-agent who owes nothing to movies, but has emerged directly from the author's canon and specifically from the short story of the same name. In the latter, Bond is a dyspeptic, tranquillizer-popping (he takes Tuinal) and hugely lonely hit man who's hoping, someday soon, to get fired. "With any luck it'll cost me my double-0 number," he says, when he hears that he's being reported to his seniors.

    Dalton's Bond is dyspeptic too, and truculent ("Stuff my orders!"), and reluctantly caught in a tangled love triangle that involves him, his cellist lover Kara (Maryam d'Abo) and her Russian army boyfriend Georgi (Jeroen Krabbé), who is also a former Bond ally. The plot that unfolds, written by veteran Bond screenwriter Richard Maibaum and series producer Michael G Wilson, is ingenious, and moves from spy swaps in the Eastern bloc to arms dealing in Tangier to opium smuggling in Afghanistan with watertight assuredness. Plus, there is a modicum of gadget action, including a jet-propelled Aston Martin and an exploding key ring. Yet the film never once forgets character, and returns again and again to the melancholic Fleming Bond, whose sensitive relationship with d'Abo's Kara is the cornerstone of the film (and will later have echoes in Craig and Eva Green's relationship in Casino Royale). It helps, too, that Dalton is a powerhouse performer. The RADA-trained actor can do drugged with dignity ("I... Er. I... Chloral hydrate!"), while he's positively buoyant in some of his lighter scenes: "Are you calling me a horse's arse?" he chuckles at Kara. Equally, because of this sensitivity, the moments when he suddenly has to "become" the killer, are all the more shocking. "Get down on your knees. Put your hands behind your back," he says coldly to John Rhys-Davies' Russian general Pushkin, in an execution scene that might have been perfunctory for every other Bond, but here seems brutal and bleakly life defining.

    And maybe that's the key to Dalton's Bond, and the reason why he drove it into the ground after just two instalments. Because the best moments of the modern movie Bonds show a professional agent trying to find his humanity in the midst of violence. Yet Dalton's portrait, just like Fleming's, was that of a man who is not finding his humanity, but losing it.

    Article posted here:
    http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/entertainment/articles/2012-11/08/timothy-dalton-the-best-james-bond-007
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Great article! Thank you, @MajorDSmythe. Pretty sure the author got DN and FRWL confused though. ;-)

    Well, I didn't need any convincing any more at this point but if it's even possible, the article strengthened my Daltonusiasm even more.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe Still waiting for the Jena Malone Batwoman movie that's never going to be made.Moderator
    edited April 2013 Posts: 11,745
    I can forgive them for the Dr No / From Russia With Love mix-up, seeing as they heap much praise on Dalton and his two Bonds. :D I'd even go as far as to call it a love letter to the Dalton era.
  • Posts: 12,296
    I love that article. The entire climax of LTK (with Bond killing Sanchez) is my favourite scene of the franchise.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited April 2013 Posts: 18,923
    I love that article. The entire climax of LTK (with Bond killing Sanchez) is my favourite scene of the franchise.
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    It effectively demonstrates how different this Bond is but also, and this I'm particularly fond of, how different a villain Sanchez is. "Don't you want to know why?", says Bond and Sanchez completely falls for it. He wants to know why this man brought such a deceptive loyalty for he himself values loyalty more than anything in the world. After all the destruction Bond imposed on his organisation, this simple yet brilliant trick finally did the job of killing Sanchez. I am downright startled that the world didn't pick up on this masterfully executed and conceptualised moment. Rejecting this Bond cost us the suffering of about 17 years of a return to camp (GE being, in a personal note, a most satisfying exception and my personal favourite Bond film of all time I might add.)

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 It was this or the priesthood.
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    This thread needs a bump. Not enough Dalts love on here lately, it's all about Craig at the moment. Time to remind everybody who the real best Bond ever is :D

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    If you are so eager to proclaim your love to the best Bond, then take it here:
    http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/5539/daniel-craig-appreciation-and-news/p1
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe Still waiting for the Jena Malone Batwoman movie that's never going to be made.Moderator
    edited April 2013 Posts: 11,745
    Daniel Craig has played Bond? Wait a second, who's Daniel Craig?

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    Timothy Dalton, the best Bond... the Fleming Bond. :-B
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded Dancing at midnight under the BeBop Moon
    edited April 2013 Posts: 11,756
    Ah, how I love The Daltonites thread!

    Not only do I now get to muse subconsciously on which private area of @DarthDimi's is fondly (fondle-ly?) a tribute to Timothy ... (mind wanders a bit; excuse me ...) but I also get to read different articles and tributes, etc.

    Dalton not only looked like Bond, he not only acted like Bond, but he was Bond. The Bond I knew from the books.

    And, I may add, Kara is one of the few Bond girls I would truly like to trade places with.
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    Thought you were a Connery man @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7. Don't tell me @Germanlady n co have converted you :O

    Brilliant pictures, I especially do love that last one. I've posted it many times on this site.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 It was this or the priesthood.
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    Thought you were a Connery man @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7. Don't tell me @Germanlady n co have converted you :O

    Brilliant pictures, I especially do love that last one. I've posted it many times on this site.

    What do you mean "converted me?" Dan and Sean share my number one spot, you should know that by now. They are the end all, be all interpretations. I love Sean's because he set the standard and kept a pulse in the series that has lasted 50 years and was the perfect mix of brutally tough, calculating, suave and caring to his allies. Dan on the other hand has the greatest acting talent, is most dedicated to the role and is probably my favorite Bond interpretation because the character is one I can relate to and I love the three dimensionality of Dan's Bond that is more interesting to watch than any interpretation ever before. Between them both, none of the others even come close.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded Dancing at midnight under the BeBop Moon
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    0Brady loves Skyfall; as I do, too.

    But I have lots of love to share when it comes to Bond - I love Dalton and Craig.
    But much of what I love about Timothy is really unique to him. I so wish we had at one more film with him.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 It was this or the priesthood.
    edited April 2013 Posts: 28,231
    0Brady loves Skyfall; as I do, too.

    But I have lots of love to share when it comes to Bond - I love Dalton and Craig.
    But much of what I love about Timothy is really unique to him. I so wish we had at one more film with him.

    + plus anything else in Dan's Bond era, especially CR which is my #1. :)
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    What do you mean "converted me?" Dan and Sean share my number one spot, you should know that by now.

    Thought you ranked Craig 2nd and Connery 1st.
    I so wish we had at one more film with him.

    He should've carried on into the 90s. I do like Brosnan and I wouldn't want to get rid of his era, but a few more from Dalton in 91, 93 and 95 would've been brilliant.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded Dancing at midnight under the BeBop Moon
    edited April 2013 Posts: 11,756
    Exactly, one or two more from Timothy (goodness knows, he was not at all too old or past it!), then the Brosnan films, which I enjoy a lot (at least the first 2). I like Pierce in GE - I would have liked a totally different film for Timothy's third.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 It was this or the priesthood.
    edited April 2013 Posts: 28,231
    What do you mean "converted me?" Dan and Sean share my number one spot, you should know that by now.

    Thought you ranked Craig 2nd and Connery 1st.

    You may be thinking pre Skyfall, but since then Dan has give us yet another top tier Bond performance, the Tennyson scene with his Bond is now my favorite scene of the franchise, and all in all the film and Dan were excellence personified and added even more depth to Bond, making him more compelling than ever. Now it is just too hard to determine who I like more and just let he and Sean tie for first where they deservedly belong.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I get chills of amazement when I watch TLD or LTK, and although the films themselves are merely very well done, Tim's presence alone propels them to the top of the Bond heap for me. Tim's decision to not try and out-Connery Connery & do his own interpretation of the Bond from the novels was a brilliant decision by a brilliant actor. As much as I love Sean's best films or Pierce's darker moments or Dan's no-b******t approach, Tim will always be 'MY' Bond.
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    Thought you were a Connery man @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7. Don't tell me @Germanlady n co have converted you :O
    LOL -with all the many fans DC has - here and everywhere- nobody needs ME to get converted. That's something DC has done all by himself.

  • samainsysamainsy Suspended
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    We have one for Connery, Moore and Brosnan, so why not one for imo, the very best Bond.

    I love Dalton, and his films. TLD was one of the first films I ever saw, definetly the first Bond film and since then he's always been my favourite. I like all of them, but not even Brosnan (my 2nd fave), could match up to the greatness that is Dalton, and I don't think (in my eyes) anyone ever will. I like how he was dark and serious, but also classic Bond. LTK is still my favourite film of all time.

    Outside of Bond, I haven't seen that much of him, but he was amazing in Hot Fuzz, one of the funniest films I've ever seen.

    TLD is a good film so LTK but he was in DR Who.
  • JRRJRR
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    We have one for Connery, Moore and Brosnan, so why not one for imo, the very best Bond.

    I love Dalton, and his films. TLD was one of the first films I ever saw, definetly the first Bond film and since then he's always been my favourite. I like all of them, but not even Brosnan (my 2nd fave), could match up to the greatness that is Dalton, and I don't think (in my eyes) anyone ever will. I like how he was dark and serious, but also classic Bond. LTK is still my favourite film of all time.

    Outside of Bond, I haven't seen that much of him, but he was amazing in Hot Fuzz, one of the funniest films I've ever seen.

    Dalton made a film called "Framed", this is worth a watch if you like a serious thriller.
  • For a lighter side of Dalton, check out "The Rocketeer." He gives a fine performance as a villainous Errol Flynn! He's also the best thing on screen by far in "Flash Gordon."

    And as Bond -- yes, I agree, he's probably closer to Fleming's depiction of the character than anybody else. He was the best "chaser" to Moore's comedic interpretation of Bond that the franchise could have possibly had. I'd have loved to have seen him in a few more Bond films...but such was not to be. Still, the two we have are brilliant!
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
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    Shameless self promotion, but hey Dalton needs some love! ;)
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Niiiiice.
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
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    chrisisall wrote:
    Niiiiice.
    Thank you. ;)
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Murdock wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Niiiiice.
    Thank you. ;)
    I can't NOT appreciate some love for my favourite Bond!
    :)>-
  • hullcityfanhullcityfan Banned
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    We have one for Connery, Moore and Brosnan, so why not one for imo, the very best Bond.

    I love Dalton, and his films. TLD was one of the first films I ever saw, definetly the first Bond film and since then he's always been my favourite. I like all of them, but not even Brosnan (my 2nd fave), could match up to the greatness that is Dalton, and I don't think (in my eyes) anyone ever will. I like how he was dark and serious, but also classic Bond. LTK is still my favourite film of all time.

    Outside of Bond, I haven't seen that much of him, but he was amazing in Hot Fuzz, one of the funniest films I've ever seen.

    Not the best but my 3rd best and I was going to buy Hotfuzz the other day but chose Shaun of the dead and the inbetweeners movie hard choice. Anyway he's my 3rd fave Bond and one of out all the Bonds I love all their Bond movies ( PB & GL the others). Love LTK & TLD just great films in my opinion both up there at the top.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Good stuff, @Murdock! :-)
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken I'm gonna use this to clarify that Dalton is tied with Craig
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    I've said this on another thread and I'll say it again.

    Watching the last scene of Licence To Kill, it almost hurts to watch it knowing he's never going to be Bond again. About sums up my point of view on Tim.
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