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  • LudovicoLudovico
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    CountJohn wrote: »
    Agree LALD is easily the theme that's most notable aside from being a Bond theme just by virtue of it being a McCartney song. The Beatles are the most significant musical figures of the 20th century so there could still be a level of interest (even if just from academics) in their compositions potentially centuries down the line. Can't say that about any other Bond theme I think, the others will be forgotten whenever the movies are.

    It certainly plays a role. In the end, it's as much, if not more, a Paul McCartney song than a Bond song.
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    It's also worth mentioning that LALD got a renewed actuality with Guns N' Roses' cover of the song in 1991, which was also a success, charting at no. 33 on the Billboard Hot 100, top five in Ireland, Norway and the UK Single Charts, and number No. 1 in Finland and New Zealand (according to Wikipedia).

    Outside of LALD, I also think DAF has a life outside the movie. It's occasionally used in various events – I think the last time I heard it was probably this time last year, when some athletes were entering the pitch at a Diamond League event (the key word here being Dimond(s) of course ;) ).

    There's also that. I know of a few people who didn't even know Guns N' Roses' cover was actually a cover. Let alone that LALD was a Bond song.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    LucknFate wrote: »
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    LeighBurne wrote: »
    John Barry’s scores weren’t really anything special until You Only Live Twice.

    I disagree with that. I think FRWL already shows Barry's brilliance. But the power injected in his GF and TB scores is phenomenal. I consider them very special and ahead of their time in almost every regard.

    Everything Barry did was special. Other than Star Wars, I can't think of another title song or tune as impactful as the opening of GF.

    I'd add Morricone's theme tune for Il buono, il brutto, il cattivo to that list, but that's as far as I go too.

    TB is also one of my very favourite Bond scores, so atmospheric and mysterious, I love it.

    Luftwaffe march - battle of Britain.

    Not sure that one carries any weight outside of the UK. I've never seen the movie.

    I'm Dutch. ;-)

    Congrats. Doesn't mean most of the world has ever heard of that song.

    Well, in aviation circles it is extremely well known. Slightly behind Top Gun (obviously). And that's not only in Europe, but worldwide.

    I don't think you can back that up. It is hardly comparable to Top Gun in terms of pop culture awareness and popularity these days, be real.

    Google proves me right: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=/m/01jwxx,/m/018js4&hl=en

    My only context for this movie is Jeremy Clarkson's obsession with it on Top Gear, and that was already over a decade ago as well.

    Well that's the point, isn't it? It's hardly fair comparing a 1969 film to Top Gun which not only had a part 2 come out just recently, but an ongoing discussion about part 3 as well. I bet half the movie goers of Top Gun Maverick hadn't even heard about the first film until this one came out. And the first part was already 15 years after TBOB.

    So yes, for now Top Gun and the Top Gun anthem which is, by the way, blistering good and recognisable, will easily outgun TBOB. But that doesn't take away any of it's recognisability and fame. TBOB is the film that started the preservation of WW2 aircraft. Which resulted in more of them flying now than ever since the end of the war.

    And yes, play it at any aviation event, and at least 80% of people will recognise it, young and old.

    (funny how the statistics you refer to show that TBOB is searched for most in China. Talking about worldwide recognition ;-) )
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    edited July 22 Posts: 9,338
    I watched the original Top Gun only once and, while I didn't "hate" it (but thought it was a multimillion dollar U.S. Air Force commercial-cum-soap-opera), didn't feel like watching it again so far (did not watch TGM either, of course). And I never consciously took note of the Top Gun Anthem which I just had to google for and find it on YouTube to know what this discussion is about. I don't remember any of it, seems like I heard it for the first time. I see it is by Harold Faltermeyer, who may be German but still known to me only for composing "Axel F" for Beverly Hills Cop (which I find far more catchy). Anyway, while I'm aware I'm not representative for mostly other generations of moviegoers, it is basically a pop music something from its time, not a real film score, and I don't see why this should be somewhere in the upper echelons of recognizable movie themes, while yes, Ron Goodwin's The Battle of Britain soundtrack is outstanding.

    EDIT/PS: I just noticed belatedly that this is the "Controversial Opinions About Bond Films" thread. How did we get to Top Gun vs. TBOB?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    It’s worth catching Maverick, it’s a much better film than TG and one of the best blockbusters in years.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    To get things back on topic, I really like the NSNA finale in the cave.

    Even most of the film's defenders would find its climax a lesser aspect, but I very much enjoy it. I think it's a nice set, and I really enjoy Felix joining in too.

    Is this the only time, bar the LTK opening, in which we see Felix taking part in the action?
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
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    I also like The Tears of Allah. It's a good idea and quite Fleming-esque.

    Even the final fight with Largo is quite well done.

    In other movies they would spend half an hour in that setting but perhaps here they rushed the matter a bit.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    I like the Tears of Allah set. Would've been good to see a bit more of the architecture and artifacts.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 8:43am Posts: 18,605
    I think it's pretty flat, but it is good to see Felix getting involved. It's kind of baffling at times like TB or LALD where he just disappears by the climax, seemingly for no other reason that he knows it's a James Bond film and he shouldn't be there. Or even TLD, really- why isn't he in there helping Bond with Whittaker? What are his lovely lady spies for?

    I guess you could say he's more of a desk job intelligence officer rather than a special forces type agent as Bond is, but the films never really make that very clear. Arguably that is until Wright's Felix turns up, and somehow you can feel the difference between them a bit more, especially in QoS.
  • LeighBurneLeighBurne
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    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    In other movies they would spend half an hour in that setting but perhaps here they rushed the matter a bit.

    Tbf my favourite film set of all time is probably the Moonraker launch control room, and that’s on screen for maybe 60 seconds!
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    It's also worth mentioning that LALD got a renewed actuality with Guns N' Roses' cover of the song in 1991, which was also a success, charting at no. 33 on the Billboard Hot 100, top five in Ireland, Norway and the UK Single Charts, and number No. 1 in Finland and New Zealand (according to Wikipedia).

    Outside of LALD, I also think DAF has a life outside the movie. It's occasionally used in various events – I think the last time I heard it was probably this time last year, when some athletes were entering the pitch at a Diamond League event (the key word here being Dimond(s) of course ;) ).

    There's also that. I know of a few people who didn't even know Guns N' Roses' cover was actually a cover. Let alone that LALD was a Bond song.

    Same here. I know several people who had never heard the original before the GNR cover. Let's also not forget the album which the cover features on either. Use Your Illusion I was a very highly anticipated album at the time of release, and debuted at No. 2 on the Billboard 200, and have since been certified 7× Platinum.
  • RyanRyan Canada
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    Having watched Never Say Never Again recently to finish off my Connery marathon, I think I'd go as far as to rank Casey as the best Connery Leiter next to Jack Lord. They've got a great chemistry despite Leiter not having much to do (as with the original Thunderball).
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    It's also worth mentioning that LALD got a renewed actuality with Guns N' Roses' cover of the song in 1991, which was also a success, charting at no. 33 on the Billboard Hot 100, top five in Ireland, Norway and the UK Single Charts, and number No. 1 in Finland and New Zealand (according to Wikipedia).

    Outside of LALD, I also think DAF has a life outside the movie. It's occasionally used in various events – I think the last time I heard it was probably this time last year, when some athletes were entering the pitch at a Diamond League event (the key word here being Dimond(s) of course ;) ).

    There's also that. I know of a few people who didn't even know Guns N' Roses' cover was actually a cover. Let alone that LALD was a Bond song.

    Same here. I know several people who had never heard the original before the GNR cover. Let's also not forget the album which the cover features on either. Use Your Illusion I was a very highly anticipated album at the time of release, and debuted at No. 2 on the Billboard 200, and have since been certified 7× Platinum.

    Fun fact: the only reason it debuted at Number 2 was because its counterpart, Use Your Illusion 2, was released the very same day and debuted in the top slot. Iconic, if not bloated, albums. If Appetite For Destruction was Goldfinger, then the Illusions are Thunderball and You Only Live Twice.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,672
    Ryan wrote: »
    Having watched Never Say Never Again recently to finish off my Connery marathon, I think I'd go as far as to rank Casey as the best Connery Leiter next to Jack Lord. They've got a great chemistry despite Leiter not having much to do (as with the original Thunderball).

    Glad to read that. Casey is my very favourite Felix.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,605
    Ryan wrote: »
    Having watched Never Say Never Again recently to finish off my Connery marathon, I think I'd go as far as to rank Casey as the best Connery Leiter next to Jack Lord. They've got a great chemistry despite Leiter not having much to do (as with the original Thunderball).

    I think I'd put him above Lord to be honest. Lord is more memorable than most but feels like you can tell he thinks he's cool, and him and Bond don't really work that well together for me. Casey is barely in NSNA as you say, but there's a more genial relationship and they do try to make it seem like they're friends.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 18,017
    Ryan wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    It's also worth mentioning that LALD got a renewed actuality with Guns N' Roses' cover of the song in 1991, which was also a success, charting at no. 33 on the Billboard Hot 100, top five in Ireland, Norway and the UK Single Charts, and number No. 1 in Finland and New Zealand (according to Wikipedia).

    Outside of LALD, I also think DAF has a life outside the movie. It's occasionally used in various events – I think the last time I heard it was probably this time last year, when some athletes were entering the pitch at a Diamond League event (the key word here being Dimond(s) of course ;) ).

    There's also that. I know of a few people who didn't even know Guns N' Roses' cover was actually a cover. Let alone that LALD was a Bond song.

    Same here. I know several people who had never heard the original before the GNR cover. Let's also not forget the album which the cover features on either. Use Your Illusion I was a very highly anticipated album at the time of release, and debuted at No. 2 on the Billboard 200, and have since been certified 7× Platinum.

    Fun fact: the only reason it debuted at Number 2 was because its counterpart, Use Your Illusion 2, was released the very same day and debuted in the top slot. Iconic, if not bloated, albums. If Appetite For Destruction was Goldfinger, then the Illusions are Thunderball and You Only Live Twice.

    Very much agree. I don't think there are enough good songs to justify there being two albums, and they're far from the same level as Appetite for Destruction, which to me is GNR's only truly great album. Live and Let Die is obviously among the 'good' songs from the Use Your Illusion albums, of course – and I also prefer it to their cover of Dylan's Knockin' on Heaven's Door, as well.
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