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  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 14,840
    BT3366 wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Not sure if this is controversial, but Cec Linder is by far my least liked Felix. Actually I quite like pretty much all of them. Cec, however,is too much of an anti-Jack Lord which makes him a bit of an old, useless bore to have around.
    Completely agree. He's one of the factors - albeit a minor one - that prevents GF from being a top-notch Bond film for me. The scene of Linder in that goofy hat in the beginning reminds me of the one of Ted Knight in the pro shop in Caddyshack wearing a similar hat. Knight and Linder look very much alike, which doesn't help.

    Terry gets a lot of flack, but the guy isn't in TLD that long to make that much of an impression. I at least get the feeling he would be in the thick of the action with Bond and is a contemporary if necessary. Then again, the Felix character rarely is even in on the action with Bond, save for LTK and NSNA. He's too busy coordinating things or supporting Bond.

    The more I think about it the more I find Lord's Leiter somewhat overrated. Somebody commented he just seems like a G-man and that's a great description. He looks cool but is just a lot of talk and pretty colorless. If Jack Lord hadn't become Steve McGarrett of Hawaii 5-0 fame would anybody even remember him or his Leiter outside of Bond fans?

    I never thought McGarrett himself was such great character to begin with.

    My controversial opinion : overall the Craig era had the best looking Bond girls of the last 40 years.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 23,561
    Ludovico wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Not sure if this is controversial, but Cec Linder is by far my least liked Felix. Actually I quite like pretty much all of them. Cec, however,is too much of an anti-Jack Lord which makes him a bit of an old, useless bore to have around.
    Completely agree. He's one of the factors - albeit a minor one - that prevents GF from being a top-notch Bond film for me. The scene of Linder in that goofy hat in the beginning reminds me of the one of Ted Knight in the pro shop in Caddyshack wearing a similar hat. Knight and Linder look very much alike, which doesn't help.

    Terry gets a lot of flack, but the guy isn't in TLD that long to make that much of an impression. I at least get the feeling he would be in the thick of the action with Bond and is a contemporary if necessary. Then again, the Felix character rarely is even in on the action with Bond, save for LTK and NSNA. He's too busy coordinating things or supporting Bond.

    The more I think about it the more I find Lord's Leiter somewhat overrated. Somebody commented he just seems like a G-man and that's a great description. He looks cool but is just a lot of talk and pretty colorless. If Jack Lord hadn't become Steve McGarrett of Hawaii 5-0 fame would anybody even remember him or his Leiter outside of Bond fans?

    I never thought McGarrett himself was such great character to begin with.

    My controversial opinion : overall the Craig era had the best looking Bond girls of the last 40 years.

    I'd agree with that if not for some of Moore's lovelies. Craig got the lovely French ones, however. Eva, Bérénice and Lea... I'm jealous.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    edited April 2019 Posts: 6,791
    Does CR67 count?
    Ursula Andress, Joanna Pettet, Barbara Bouchet, Daliah Lavi, Jacqueline Bisset, Angelina Scoular, ... .
    The list is endless!
  • RevelatorRevelator
    Posts: 2,896
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    As to who portrays the character close to Fleming's creation, that'd be Rik Van Nutter.

    Only in looks--none of the screen Felixes have the original's personality.

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Revelator wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    As to who portrays the character close to Fleming's creation, that'd be Rik Van Nutter.
    Only in looks--none of the screen Felixes have the original's personality.
    Well, to be fair, neither do the Bonds.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited April 2019 Posts: 4,120
    Here's a controversial opinion: If I had the opportunity to have a say in writing, producing or directing a 007 movie, I would adapt one of the novels. If I was starting with a new actor, I would start with Forever and a Day. For John Gardner's run my picks would be Icebreaker and Nobody Lives Forever. Then, film Raymond Benson's Union Trilogy back to back to back. Finish it off with Devil May Care or Solo. This is all my opinion, as I don't work well with original screenplays. I wouldn't use Colonel Sun as it's best material has been used quite a bit over the years.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 3,985
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Here's a controversial opinion: If I had the opportunity to have a say in writing, producing or directing a 007 movie, I would adapt one of the novels. If I was starting with a new actor, I would start with Forever and a Day. For John Gardner's run my picks would be Icebreaker and Nobody Lives Forever. Then, film Raymond Benson's Union Trilogy back to back to back. Finish it off with Devil May Care or Solo. This is all my opinion, as I don't work well with original screenplays. I wouldn't use Colonel Sun as it's best material has been used quite a bit over the years.

    I thought Devil May Care was awful but i'd like to see what the filmmakers did with the villains 'Monkey paw' !!!!
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,120
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Here's a controversial opinion: If I had the opportunity to have a say in writing, producing or directing a 007 movie, I would adapt one of the novels. If I was starting with a new actor, I would start with Forever and a Day. For John Gardner's run my picks would be Icebreaker and Nobody Lives Forever. Then, film Raymond Benson's Union Trilogy back to back to back. Finish it off with Devil May Care or Solo. This is all my opinion, as I don't work well with original screenplays. I wouldn't use Colonel Sun as it's best material has been used quite a bit over the years.

    I thought Devil May Care was awful but i'd like to see what the filmmakers did with the villains 'Monkey paw' !!!!

    The reason that I would use Devil May Care is that we get more Felix Leiter and Rene Mathis. Two of the best characters from recent movies that need more screentime.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 14,840
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Not sure if this is controversial, but Cec Linder is by far my least liked Felix. Actually I quite like pretty much all of them. Cec, however,is too much of an anti-Jack Lord which makes him a bit of an old, useless bore to have around.
    Completely agree. He's one of the factors - albeit a minor one - that prevents GF from being a top-notch Bond film for me. The scene of Linder in that goofy hat in the beginning reminds me of the one of Ted Knight in the pro shop in Caddyshack wearing a similar hat. Knight and Linder look very much alike, which doesn't help.

    Terry gets a lot of flack, but the guy isn't in TLD that long to make that much of an impression. I at least get the feeling he would be in the thick of the action with Bond and is a contemporary if necessary. Then again, the Felix character rarely is even in on the action with Bond, save for LTK and NSNA. He's too busy coordinating things or supporting Bond.

    The more I think about it the more I find Lord's Leiter somewhat overrated. Somebody commented he just seems like a G-man and that's a great description. He looks cool but is just a lot of talk and pretty colorless. If Jack Lord hadn't become Steve McGarrett of Hawaii 5-0 fame would anybody even remember him or his Leiter outside of Bond fans?

    I never thought McGarrett himself was such great character to begin with.

    My controversial opinion : overall the Craig era had the best looking Bond girls of the last 40 years.

    I'd agree with that if not for some of Moore's lovelies. Craig got the lovely French ones, however. Eva, Bérénice and Lea... I'm jealous.

    That is why I said overall. Moore had a few lovely women, but less so in his later Bond films. There were a few women who drag the beauty level down imo. Same thing with the Brosnan era.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,297
    Ludovico wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Not sure if this is controversial, but Cec Linder is by far my least liked Felix. Actually I quite like pretty much all of them. Cec, however,is too much of an anti-Jack Lord which makes him a bit of an old, useless bore to have around.
    Completely agree. He's one of the factors - albeit a minor one - that prevents GF from being a top-notch Bond film for me. The scene of Linder in that goofy hat in the beginning reminds me of the one of Ted Knight in the pro shop in Caddyshack wearing a similar hat. Knight and Linder look very much alike, which doesn't help.

    Terry gets a lot of flack, but the guy isn't in TLD that long to make that much of an impression. I at least get the feeling he would be in the thick of the action with Bond and is a contemporary if necessary. Then again, the Felix character rarely is even in on the action with Bond, save for LTK and NSNA. He's too busy coordinating things or supporting Bond.

    The more I think about it the more I find Lord's Leiter somewhat overrated. Somebody commented he just seems like a G-man and that's a great description. He looks cool but is just a lot of talk and pretty colorless. If Jack Lord hadn't become Steve McGarrett of Hawaii 5-0 fame would anybody even remember him or his Leiter outside of Bond fans?

    I never thought McGarrett himself was such great character to begin with.

    My controversial opinion : overall the Craig era had the best looking Bond girls of the last 40 years.

    I'd agree with that if not for some of Moore's lovelies. Craig got the lovely French ones, however. Eva, Bérénice and Lea... I'm jealous.

    That is why I said overall. Moore had a few lovely women, but less so in his later Bond films. There were a few women who drag the beauty level down imo. Same thing with the Brosnan era.

    Can't think of any!
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 14,840
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Not sure if this is controversial, but Cec Linder is by far my least liked Felix. Actually I quite like pretty much all of them. Cec, however,is too much of an anti-Jack Lord which makes him a bit of an old, useless bore to have around.
    Completely agree. He's one of the factors - albeit a minor one - that prevents GF from being a top-notch Bond film for me. The scene of Linder in that goofy hat in the beginning reminds me of the one of Ted Knight in the pro shop in Caddyshack wearing a similar hat. Knight and Linder look very much alike, which doesn't help.

    Terry gets a lot of flack, but the guy isn't in TLD that long to make that much of an impression. I at least get the feeling he would be in the thick of the action with Bond and is a contemporary if necessary. Then again, the Felix character rarely is even in on the action with Bond, save for LTK and NSNA. He's too busy coordinating things or supporting Bond.

    The more I think about it the more I find Lord's Leiter somewhat overrated. Somebody commented he just seems like a G-man and that's a great description. He looks cool but is just a lot of talk and pretty colorless. If Jack Lord hadn't become Steve McGarrett of Hawaii 5-0 fame would anybody even remember him or his Leiter outside of Bond fans?

    I never thought McGarrett himself was such great character to begin with.

    My controversial opinion : overall the Craig era had the best looking Bond girls of the last 40 years.

    I'd agree with that if not for some of Moore's lovelies. Craig got the lovely French ones, however. Eva, Bérénice and Lea... I'm jealous.

    That is why I said overall. Moore had a few lovely women, but less so in his later Bond films. There were a few women who drag the beauty level down imo. Same thing with the Brosnan era.

    Can't think of any!

    Grace Jones? Magda in OP loked a tad too 80s as well. And it does not mean I think of ugly women. Just women less beautiful than the ones of his earlier tenure or early Connery. Or less exotic, less classy, less of what makes Bond girls unique.
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,500
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Not sure if this is controversial, but Cec Linder is by far my least liked Felix. Actually I quite like pretty much all of them. Cec, however,is too much of an anti-Jack Lord which makes him a bit of an old, useless bore to have around.
    Completely agree. He's one of the factors - albeit a minor one - that prevents GF from being a top-notch Bond film for me. The scene of Linder in that goofy hat in the beginning reminds me of the one of Ted Knight in the pro shop in Caddyshack wearing a similar hat. Knight and Linder look very much alike, which doesn't help.

    Terry gets a lot of flack, but the guy isn't in TLD that long to make that much of an impression. I at least get the feeling he would be in the thick of the action with Bond and is a contemporary if necessary. Then again, the Felix character rarely is even in on the action with Bond, save for LTK and NSNA. He's too busy coordinating things or supporting Bond.

    The more I think about it the more I find Lord's Leiter somewhat overrated. Somebody commented he just seems like a G-man and that's a great description. He looks cool but is just a lot of talk and pretty colorless. If Jack Lord hadn't become Steve McGarrett of Hawaii 5-0 fame would anybody even remember him or his Leiter outside of Bond fans?

    I never thought McGarrett himself was such great character to begin with.

    My controversial opinion : overall the Craig era had the best looking Bond girls of the last 40 years.

    I'd agree with that if not for some of Moore's lovelies. Craig got the lovely French ones, however. Eva, Bérénice and Lea... I'm jealous.

    That is why I said overall. Moore had a few lovely women, but less so in his later Bond films. There were a few women who drag the beauty level down imo. Same thing with the Brosnan era.

    Can't think of any!

    Grace Jones? Magda in OP loked a tad too 80s as well. And it does not mean I think of ugly women. Just women less beautiful than the ones of his earlier tenure or early Connery. Or less exotic, less classy, less of what makes Bond girls unique.


    Gloria Hendry, Corinne Dufour and Lois Chiles were not at the same standard either in my opinion.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
    Posts: 6,822
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Here's a controversial opinion: If I had the opportunity to have a say in writing, producing or directing a 007 movie, I would adapt one of the novels. If I was starting with a new actor, I would start with Forever and a Day. For John Gardner's run my picks would be Icebreaker and Nobody Lives Forever. Then, film Raymond Benson's Union Trilogy back to back to back. Finish it off with Devil May Care or Solo. This is all my opinion, as I don't work well with original screenplays. I wouldn't use Colonel Sun as it's best material has been used quite a bit over the years.

    I thought Devil May Care was awful but i'd like to see what the filmmakers did with the villains 'Monkey paw' !!!!

    Great title, terrible book though!
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,297
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Not sure if this is controversial, but Cec Linder is by far my least liked Felix. Actually I quite like pretty much all of them. Cec, however,is too much of an anti-Jack Lord which makes him a bit of an old, useless bore to have around.
    Completely agree. He's one of the factors - albeit a minor one - that prevents GF from being a top-notch Bond film for me. The scene of Linder in that goofy hat in the beginning reminds me of the one of Ted Knight in the pro shop in Caddyshack wearing a similar hat. Knight and Linder look very much alike, which doesn't help.

    Terry gets a lot of flack, but the guy isn't in TLD that long to make that much of an impression. I at least get the feeling he would be in the thick of the action with Bond and is a contemporary if necessary. Then again, the Felix character rarely is even in on the action with Bond, save for LTK and NSNA. He's too busy coordinating things or supporting Bond.

    The more I think about it the more I find Lord's Leiter somewhat overrated. Somebody commented he just seems like a G-man and that's a great description. He looks cool but is just a lot of talk and pretty colorless. If Jack Lord hadn't become Steve McGarrett of Hawaii 5-0 fame would anybody even remember him or his Leiter outside of Bond fans?

    I never thought McGarrett himself was such great character to begin with.

    My controversial opinion : overall the Craig era had the best looking Bond girls of the last 40 years.

    I'd agree with that if not for some of Moore's lovelies. Craig got the lovely French ones, however. Eva, Bérénice and Lea... I'm jealous.

    That is why I said overall. Moore had a few lovely women, but less so in his later Bond films. There were a few women who drag the beauty level down imo. Same thing with the Brosnan era.

    Can't think of any!

    Grace Jones? Magda in OP loked a tad too 80s as well. And it does not mean I think of ugly women. Just women less beautiful than the ones of his earlier tenure or early Connery. Or less exotic, less classy, less of what makes Bond girls unique.

    Forgot about her…
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 6,791
    Thought Magda looked marvellous to be honest ;)
  • FrankXavierFrankXavier
    Posts: 677
    Now who's talking smack about Lois Chiles????

    She's only one of the most beautiful Bond girls.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
    Posts: 6,822
    Birdleson wrote: »
    FrankXavier wrote: »
    Now who's talking smack about Lois Chiles????

    She's only one of the most beautiful Bond girls.

    It's all taste. I find her to be decent looking (relative to the pack). On the otherhand, Magda looks like ET in a wig, in my eyes.

    Harsh!
    As you say, it's all a matter of taste.
    I found Lois Chile's to be very plain looking , and a bit wooden!
  • mattjoesmattjoes
    Posts: 6,746
    FrankXavier wrote: »
    She's only one of the most beautiful Bond girls.

    I feel the same way.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    Roger Moore always said he did his stunts himself except the ones he left for his stuntmen, which were most of them but he made the effort to do his love scenes all himself without any stunt-people involved.
    In my humble opinion the fear in his eyes when he beds Grace Jones is not acted, otherwise he would be worthy for an Oscar for that scene alone. Only Dolf Lundgren would do Grace in those days.
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,500
    FrankXavier wrote: »
    Now who's talking smack about Lois Chiles????

    She's only one of the most beautiful Bond girls.

    She is not ugly by any means, but as far as Bond girl material prettines goes, she is one of the least striking to me. It doesn't help that she lacks charisma as well...
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 7,978
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    FrankXavier wrote: »
    Now who's talking smack about Lois Chiles????

    She's only one of the most beautiful Bond girls.

    It's all taste. I find her to be decent looking (relative to the pack). On the otherhand, Magda looks like ET in a wig, in my eyes.

    Harsh!
    As you say, it's all a matter of taste.
    I found Lois Chile's to be very plain looking , and a bit wooden!

    Understatement of the year-nominee right here. They could've built a gondola out of her!
  • mattjoesmattjoes
    Posts: 6,746
    @00Agent, has Ms. Chiles gotten the Bond Girl Fridays treatment? If not, she's overdue. I feel like contributing myself.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited April 2019 Posts: 5,185
    mattjoes wrote: »
    @00Agent, has Ms. Chiles gotten the Bond Girl Fridays treatment? If not, she's overdue. I feel like contributing myself.

    Not yet, not by me anyway. But please do @mattjoes !
    I love her, and wanted to do a post about her once but felt like i didn't had enough good material at the time.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 13,950
    For me, Lois certainly has above-average looks - one of the Bond girls I was indifferent to at first, but with every subsequent viewing of MR I find her more and more attractive. On the other hand, I am learning to appreciate everything more as I get older. As Holly, I find her attitude a real turn on.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited April 2019 Posts: 5,185
    QBranch wrote: »
    For me, Lois certainly has above-average looks - one of the Bond girls I was indifferent to at first, but with every subsequent viewing of MR I find her more and more attractive. On the other hand, I am learning to appreciate everything more as I get older. As Holly, I find her attitude a real turn on.

    I love me a girl with some attitude. She was a bit of a feminist actually, always proud that she was running around in a baggy jumpsuit in the finale instead of a bikini and how she loved that it pissed people off lol.
    We had girls like that as early as GF, with Pussy. Somehow that stuff always gets lost or deliberately ignored by all the subsequent Bond girls or sjw warriors who keep telling us that the franchise is just plain sexist and full of bimbos.
  • mattjoesmattjoes
    Posts: 6,746
    00Agent wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    @00Agent, has Ms. Chiles gotten the Bond Girl Fridays treatment? If not, she's overdue. I feel like contributing myself.

    Not yet, not by me anyway. But please do @mattjoes !
    I love her, and wanted to do a post about her once but felt like i didn't had enough good material at the time.
    I'm on the case. Tune in next Friday!

    QBranch wrote: »
    For me, Lois certainly has above-average looks - one of the Bond girls I was indifferent to at first, but with every subsequent viewing of MR I find her more and more attractive. On the other hand, I am learning to appreciate everything more as I get older. As Holly, I find her attitude a real turn on.
    She's charming in a down-to-earth way.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,423
    Birdleson wrote: »
    FrankXavier wrote: »
    Now who's talking smack about Lois Chiles????

    She's only one of the most beautiful Bond girls.

    It's all taste. I find her to be decent looking (relative to the pack). On the otherhand, Magda looks like ET in a wig, in my eyes.

    Haha. I will never get that image out of my head. Thanks @Birdleson
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 14,840
    jobo wrote: »
    FrankXavier wrote: »
    Now who's talking smack about Lois Chiles????

    She's only one of the most beautiful Bond girls.

    She is not ugly by any means, but as far as Bond girl material prettines goes, she is one of the least striking to me. It doesn't help that she lacks charisma as well...
    That's the thing : good looks is only one thing that makes a Bond girl great. She has to have a special kind of beauty. The latter Moore era was very much hit and miss imo, so was Brosnan's. For instance, Teri Hatcher was (us) a very attractive woman, but she has a girl next door (or milf next door) kind of beauty. She's not exactly tragic Bond girl material.
  • bigladiesmanbigladiesman
    edited May 2019 Posts: 1,009
    I tend to come when a new Bond movie is on, but I was wondering if this has been said here: Being an unofficial Bond, Sean should have pushed hard to use his real appearance at the time (balding head, facial hair) on NSNA. I think he would have looked more handsome, more badass and more fitting to the overall tone of the film: a 50-something Bond, close to retiring.

    There, I've said it.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 14,840
    I think Caterina Murino is the sexiest Bond girl of the Craig era. Not the most beautiful, but the sexiest.
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