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Maybe I'm not clear but I thought I did say that I accept Vesper made it on the spot due to the evidence given. I also do agree that it's away to dismiss Bond.
In any case how is it reading too much into it saying they're talking about their cover, NOT Vesper's own background?
She was definitely not aware of her alias at that point. Nothing indicates that she was definitely or even possibly talking of her own background.
Well it should be in the question thread but like an old teacher of literature told me years ago, everything is significant in fiction (thus can be debated and often will be). I'm very aware it's a pointless debate.
Wrong gender.
Nothing she says contradicts her rather simple and undetailed cover. Beside still nothing indicates that she used her own background to come up with that strict Catholic line.
That said it should be in the question thread. It proved to be controversial, but it's not exactly an opinion.
So she improvised that line on the spot but took it from her dark and troubled Catholic past? I don't buy it. She uses the line to rebuff Bond. Whether or not her family was Catholic is beside the point and pretty much irrelevant. In any case there's no evidence to conclude that Vesper is a Catholic, practicing, lapsed or other.
Did I ever say there was? You don't prove a negative and the burden of proof resides on the side making the positive claim.
You are assuming she has a Catholic background to bring up in the first place. I agree there's no hidden message to see there. Hence there's no evidence or reason to believe she is, or was a Catholic. Anyone with a vague knowledge of Catholicism or practicing Catholics could come up with that line.
QoS is better than SF and is much more original of a film.
I agree with this. I suppose it's possible that she did, but there's no reason to think so. Since Bond mentions some specific fictional details about his cover, like his profession ("professional gambler"), Vesper choose to improvise a specific, but fictional comment about her religious background. Nothing complicated about that. And note how the sarcastic tone of her voice is exactly the same as Bond's when reading the document. She's talking to him in the same terms he's talking to her.
As Clark points out, it would make sense to think the official cover was more elaborate than the single page read by Bond. In real life, covers must be much more elaborate than that. But the film seems to show Bond taking all the contents out of the envelope and throwing it, which implies in this film, the cover is just a single page. This matches what QBranch tells us. Suspension of disbelief, I guess.
I'm not sure I agree but I do prefer it sometimes , depending of my mood. I would also say QOS has the better plot. While I love SF Silva's plan is very contrived.
SF is at the very bottom on my list. And QoS is very enjoyable despite being bettered by a lot of entries in the series.
I'd say maybe, maybe, maybe Vesper's name could indicate a Catholic background. Although I know there's a specific reason for it mentioned in the novel, vesper does have a Catholic ring to it. But that would be building a lot from a single name.
From what I read, fake identities in the secret service go from mere fake Ids to completely fabricated lives, depending of the mission. In real life, I would think they'd be briefed in the office and more thoroughly. And they'd probably give hell to Bond for blowing it so casually. Although there's a very good meta reason for this : audiences may not be happy with a Bond movie where Bond assumes an alias for half the film.
Mind if my horse sits this one out? It's just dead.
I usually go:
Spectre
Quantum of Solace
Casino Royale
Skyfall
Spectre isn't without issues (some major), same with Quantum, but...I feel like giving them credit for trying.