Daniel Craig's Fisticuffs

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  • Posts: 4,762
    Creasy47 wrote:
    @00Beast, is that when Fisher makes it halfway up the steps, and Bond is just standing there, watching him? If so, I love it. I, too, wish it wasn't deleted, but it makes it much grittier when Bond says "Two." and instantly cuts to the fighting. I wish I could somehow have it both ways, but at least on my Collector's Edition blu-ray, both scenes are there, so I could technically choose how I want to start the movie.

    Yeah, that's the one! I love that shot, it's great. I wish my Casino Royale DVD had those deleted scenes included. For now I'll have to resort to Youtube!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @00Beast, I was actually surprised at how semi-rare the deleted scenes seem to be, in terms of many on the forums voicing that they don't have them on their DVD/blu-ray. Thankfully, my grandmother was cool enough (for once) to get me the Collector's Edition blu-ray as a Christmas gift. I still want to see the scene with Bond and Vesper in the water, though; it isn't even on mine.
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    @00Beast, I was actually surprised at how semi-rare the deleted scenes seem to be, in terms of many on the forums voicing that they don't have them on their DVD/blu-ray. Thankfully, my grandmother was cool enough (for once) to get me the Collector's Edition blu-ray as a Christmas gift. I still want to see the scene with Bond and Vesper in the water, though; it isn't even on mine.

    My brother has a Casino Royale poster in his room, and on it there is a still shot from that deleted scene of Bond and Vesper in the water. I always wondered if that was a deleted scene or just a publicity thing. I've watched the CR deleted scenes on Youtube, and you're right, it isn't included.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited May 2012 Posts: 40,670
    @00Beast, that's still a pretty cool poster to have. Also, I believe it may be the CR teaser trailer, but at the very end, it shows either Bond or Le Chiffre ripping a poker card in half. It isn't in the film or any deleted scene I've watched.
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    @00Beast, that's still a pretty cool poster to have. Also, I believe it may be the CR teaser trailer, but at the very end, it shows either Bond or Le Chiffre ripping a poker card in half. It isn't in the film or any deleted scene I've watched.

    Really? Cool! I need to watch the Bond trailers more often to find those scenes that are always never in the finished film, but show up in the trailers. Kind of like finding an undiscovered treasure!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @00Beast, indeed. I wonder if we will get anything in the SF teaser(s)/trailer(s) that won't be in the film. Will be real fun to go back after a few viewings of the finished film and see if I can spot anything.

    Just a real shame I will have to steer clear from the boards after it is released overseas, to avoid spoilers.
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    Craig brings an intensity and brutal physicallity to his fights. (He is Dalton and Lazenby rolled into one)
    The fight with Obanno, Slate...I can't wait to see him duke it out with Jarvier Bardem. (provided that Babs and Mikey does not deny us this) .
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    Germanlady wrote:
    It was good, but I liked the trailer version better, where he just rams his knife into the guy.

    That's his near-finishing move in the film, though. Are you saying you would have just preferred it if Bond only slammed the knife down into his throat, instead of the rest of the preceding fight?

    They were scissors, not a knife.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, my mistake. Can't believe I forgot.
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, my mistake. Can't believe I forgot.

    It happens. I thought it was a knife too. All i payed attention was to the fight.
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, my mistake. Can't believe I forgot.

    No worries. I had to look at the scene frame by frame to see the scissors. The downside of fast editing, and the fight itself was already hella quick.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I love how Craig thrusts himself into all of his action scenes with such enthusiasm. That's the one thing I will definitely give Craig over Brosnan - the stunt doubles are definitely harder to spot. For example, the running up the crane scene in the CR Madagascar chase sequence. I'm sure he was on wires, but still, that looked bloody hard work.

    But anyway, yeah, I echo what everyone else has been saying pretty much. The Obanno and Slate fights were pretty good (although the editing in the second didn't really do it for me) and I also love the scene in the hotel elevator in Quantum where he disables the MI6 bodyguards. The fight with Greene was quite good too, but too brief to leave any memorable impact.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, my mistake. Can't believe I forgot.

    No worries. I had to look at the scene frame by frame to see the scissors. The downside of fast editing, and the fight itself was already hella quick.

    The fight is very vicious and quick, so it was hard to tell what he even picks up. I always thought it was scissors, but initially, I thought it was a shard of glass from the door Bond sends Slate through.

    Even when Bond is first attacked by Slate, I had to watch some random making-of video on Youtube to notice Bond stops a hit by him with his elbow, then grabs him and they go through the door.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Here's evidence of the scissors in the fight:

    http://screenmusings.org/QuantumOfSolace/images/QoS_0322.jpg

    Like I said, really, really, hard to spot in real time. Thank you screencaps!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Thank you, screen caps, indeed.
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    Here's evidence of the scissors in the fight:

    http://screenmusings.org/QuantumOfSolace/images/QoS_0322.jpg

    Like I said, really, really, hard to spot in real time. Thank you screencaps!

    I knew it looked a bit strange to be a knife, but I didn't expect scissors. I thought maybe a small stiletto blade or something, like Rosa Klebb's spike in her shoe.
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    I was reading about this (scene) earlier actually and didn't realize up to now that Craig actually used some scissors in order to despatch the Edmund Slate character, as there was lot of broken glass and windows from the tussle from what I can remember, I thought a shard of broken glass would of been responsible, I was genuinely surprised at scissors etc
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    I'm bumping this as I really want to discuss Bond's fighting style for Bond 24 and look at other movies we can draw inspiration from seeing as, some people including myself thought the CQC in SF wasn't as satisfying as they were in CR and QoS.
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    doubleoego wrote:
    I'm bumping this as I really want to discuss Bond's fighting style for Bond 24 and look at other movies we can draw inspiration from seeing as, some people including myself thought the CQC in SF wasn't as satisfying as they were in CR and QoS.


    Cool !
    Nice find doubleoego.

  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    I didn't want to get attacked for starting a new thread so just bumped this one as it's more than applicable for such discussion. @skyfail, I strongly suggest checking out Hanna and this Korean film called, the man from nowhere. Great CQC that could have really elevated some of the action in SF and I hope can be utilised in Bond 24.
  • Posts: 4,762
    Watched Quantum of Solace last night, and wow, Daniel's fisticuffs are in prime time for the 2008 Bond release, let me say so! CR had some good hand-to-hand combat scenes, like those with Obanno and Gettler, but QoS easily "one-upped" CR in that department. I mean you've got the fights with Mitchell, Slate (the best probably), and Greene, not to mention other smaller encounters with minor thugs, etc.
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    doubleoego wrote:
    I didn't want to get attacked for starting a new thread so just bumped this one as it's more than applicable for such discussion. @skyfail, I strongly suggest checking out Hanna and this Korean film called, the man from nowhere. Great CQC that could have really elevated some of the action in SF and I hope can be utilised in Bond 24.

    You just made my day @doubleoego ! :)
    I purchased "Pride and Prejudice" for my sister yesterday and while she was watching it , I thought to myself ,Is the director of this a serious candidate for Bond ?!

    I mean , it felt very out of the realm of Bond. But now you tell me that Hanna directed by Wright has good action and I know you do know your action . I couldn't have been more happy .

    I'll purchase Hanna tomorrow and I'll give it a watch.

    But is it really on the level of QoS or Cr ?
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    00Beast wrote:
    Watched Quantum of Solace last night, and wow, Daniel's fisticuffs are in prime time for the 2008 Bond release, let me say so! CR had some good hand-to-hand combat scenes, like those with Obanno and Gettler, but QoS easily "one-upped" CR in that department. I mean you've got the fights with Mitchell, Slate (the best probably), and Greene, not to mention other smaller encounters with minor thugs, etc.

    EPIC- The only word that springs into mind to describe the Greene Bond fight . :)

    Its just pure chaotic mayhem with the building on fire and the sprinklers running.
    With an axe wielding maniac at the centre of it all, trying to butcher a bear fisted Bond :D

    if that doesn't get one's adrenaline pumping , nothing will ! :)
  • Posts: 498
    For Bond 24 .

    If they do decide again to take a directory who is new to the field of action like Mendes.
    I hope he will at the very least take notes from the fisticuffs of CR and QoS. With a good second unit I feel it is very much possible to attain that level if not trump it.

    Take Forster he had no experience in the field of action , but he learnt and he beat Campbell someone who does have that experience. I think its very much possible. Just that we need someone who is willing to do it.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited March 2013 Posts: 11,139
    Skyfail wrote:
    doubleoego wrote:
    I didn't want to get attacked for starting a new thread so just bumped this one as it's more than applicable for such discussion. @skyfail, I strongly suggest checking out Hanna and this Korean film called, the man from nowhere. Great CQC that could have really elevated some of the action in SF and I hope can be utilised in Bond 24.

    You just made my day @doubleoego ! :)
    I purchased "Pride and Prejudice" for my sister yesterday and while she was watching it , I thought to myself ,Is the director of this a serious candidate for Bond ?!

    I mean , it felt very out of the realm of Bond. But now you tell me that Hanna directed by Wright has good action and I know you do know your action . I couldn't have been more happy .

    I'll purchase Hanna tomorrow and I'll give it a watch.

    But is it really on the level of QoS or Cr ?

    FYI, I think Hanna as an overall movie is quite average but it does have some good fight scenes that I feel would be executed much better with a more experienced team and budget behind it. That said, the action in Hanna is a bit more clinical than in CR and QoS. With the latter 2 movies, the fights are mostly accompanied with a brawling approach, whereas the fights in Hanna are more in line with the Bond Vs Slate fight except that it's shot and edited in a way where you can have better clarity as to what's going on.

    This is 1 clip from the movie as an example:




    Also, below is an awesome clip from the Korean movie, the man from nowhere. If we got an action set piece like this in a Bond film, I'll gladly buy and wear a dress and skip along the longest stretch of road in London.


  • Posts: 498
    Bravo!
    The Hanna clip gave me the much needed confidence in Joe Wright. It isn't exactly what you expect as in the Bond/Slate manner . But that's perfectly understandable since it wasn't aiming to do that.
    I agree with a more experienced team and a higher budget, they can accomplish even oust the QoS fights.

    The second one was extremely brutal
    doubleoego wrote:

    Also, below is an awesome clip from the Korean movie, the man from nowhere. If we got an action set piece like this in a Bond film, I'll gladly buy and wear a dress and skip along the longest stretch of road in London.


    Haha :))

    It was very violent ! and enjoyable too . Though I think we are far away of getting a fight on that calibre in a Bond movie.
  • edited March 2013 Posts: 498
    @doubleoego
    One thing though,

    Lets go over the top .
    Since its inception Bond has been the in the top tier of action movies. But Brosnan had comes as life support to the series and towards the end they found themselves competing with Bourne which was on a calibre of its own.

    In an attempt to reclaim the throne .They chose Daniel Craig as Bond and brought violent Bourne like fisticuffs to the series. Evidently it has worked very well.

    But Bourne is no longer in the game, after Matt Damon left the series, the hype of Bourne has died down and they no longer find themselves competing with action of such high standards,

    That could be one of the reason we are left with such poor fight scenes in Skyfall ?

    Thoughts ?
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Not too sure but I think it would be pretty sad for the film makers to half arse the action just because they may feel they have no "worthy" competition. The latest MI movie had some great action and I do think there are enough films being made that can give Bobd a run for his money when it comes to hand to hand combat. The focus and approach to such action should be to zero in on a credible and entertaining physical exchange that really compliments the intensity of how these people engage with the physical side of things in this line of spy work. I don't want to see cookie cutter, mash and veg punches. I want Bond to engage in brutal beatdowns.
  • Posts: 5,634
    The Craig fight scenes in Skyfall were largely disappointing. Fights with CGI komodo dragons and Jellyfish ? I think I spent more time smirking than being entertained. Maybe it was a bit of the two. If you look at his previous battles, there was some truly great sequences, such as the Steven Obanno and accomplice fight, and Edmund Slate for example, but can only hope they get back to something like that for the next release
  • Posts: 498
    doubleoego wrote:
    Not too sure but I think it would be pretty sad for the film makers to half arse the action just because they may feel they have no "worthy" competition.

    Yeah, its very sad indeed but look around you, can you think of a single action movie of this time which gets the kind of acclaim and recognition that Bourne got in its time. Oddly enough the only chance I feel for Bond to up its game is if Bourne returns or any action movie which makes that kind of impact. That seems hardly unlikely.

    You see even now Bourne Ultimatum has a higher ranking on sites such as rotten tomatoes and Imdb than Skyfall. My opinion is the kind of fame that Bourne got in 2007 for Ultimatum , made the producers want to up they're game for QoS

    Check this out , a fabulous action scene. Its blended perfectly with the story of the girl getting hunted by an assassin. I couldn't get the whole scene though.



    Freakishly Brutal and amazing wasn't it ? :D
    I believe this served as the inspiration for the Sienna Rooftops in QoS .
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