The theories of Bond films! Who is the tourist who from TSWLM, MR, FYEO?

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  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    It was a result of the Dial-A-Henchman service available in the 20th Century. As used by the Soviet Union. Also Karl Stromberg. Hugo Drax. SPECTRE. Others. In all cases the attempt to use cheaper options resulted in massive operational failure.

    Not least of the D-A-H service shortcomings was its choice to employ the Simonsbob sextuplets. Fairly competent, but not up to the demands of the work they were assigned.

    TSWLM. KGB Thug #1. (Not a Simonsbob)
    Survived, but never heard from again.

    TSWLM. KGB Thug #2. (Simonsbob 2)
    Active before and after the events of TSWLM. On both sides of The Curtain.
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    Honorable mentions.

    GF. Capungo. (Simonsbob 5, and the only non-identical member of the sextuplets hired)
    Deceased.
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    TB. Colonel Jacques Bouvar - SPECTRE #6. (Simonsbob 3)
    Deceased.
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    MR. Ambulance Attendant. (Simonsbob 1)
    Deceased.
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    FYEO. Henchman Lotus Explosion Victim. (Simonsbob 4)
    Deceased.
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  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Good stuff.

    On to a more modern film in the series. SP and Bond's flat.

    Bond's flat has been seen a few times in the series, once in DN and again in LALD. On those occasions the flat was tasteful, well designed and generally looked like a place Bond would hang his hat.

    SP the flat looks like Bond couldn't care what his place looked like. Understanding that Connery and Moore's Bond is not Craigs Bond I still find it jarring to see Bond in a flat that looks like he hasn't yet moved in with sparse furniture and very little charm.

    What's your theory on why Bond's flat looks like a sparse and cold living space?
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    He's literally just moved into this new flat, and items taken out of storage.
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    Didn’t they sell some of his stuff while they thought he was dead in Skyfall? Or at least moved it to storage? If so there is your answer.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 25 Posts: 18,225
    Doesn't he specifically say that he hasn't just moved in? I don't think he cares much; he's barely ever there.
    The funny thing is that when we see his house in NTTD, it's all quite tastefully decorated with lots of designer furniture, pictures on the walls etc. Maybe when he actually spends time somewhere he cares more.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Yes @mtm he does allude to the fact he's lived there a while. Moneypenny I believe asks if he just moved in.

    I also find it funny that NTTD the house in Jamaica is lovely and well set up and tastefully decorated. I don't see Bond has someone who doesn't give a shit. To me it didn't fit the character that his flat would be sparse with no sense of fashion.
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
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    It's not about personal taste, it's just meant to suggest that Bond had spent most of his time since SF tracking down Sciarra.
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    The home in Jamaica was an Air B n'B.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    thedove wrote: »
    Yes @mtm he does allude to the fact he's lived there a while. Moneypenny I believe asks if he just moved in.

    I also find it funny that NTTD the house in Jamaica is lovely and well set up and tastefully decorated. I don't see Bond has someone who doesn't give a shit. To me it didn't fit the character that his flat would be sparse with no sense of fashion.

    I took his reaction to Moneypenny as the joke. She knew he just returned, and must've known all his stuff was gone. So asking the question was answering it, and Bond isn't the type to state the obvious.
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    You should have seen our house a year after we moved in. We still have unpacked boxes. No but strong, Bond is seldom there, he's constantly on missions and he's had to refurbish everything after his "death".
    On a side note, that's my favorite incarnation of his flat.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 26 Posts: 18,225
    Ludovico wrote: »
    You should have seen our house a year after we moved in. We still have unpacked boxes. No but strong, Bond is seldom there, he's constantly on missions and he's had to refurbish everything after his "death".
    On a side note, that's my favorite incarnation of his flat.

    Yeah his chintzy tastes in the other two versions disappoints me a bit. Although I love the beach house.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    Bond having a liveable flat would be something I would like to see return in B26
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Good stuff! I know see that there are many explanations for the sparse apartment. I still don't think a character like Bond who has some fashion sensibility would live in such a place, but you have all provided me with some theories!

    On to our next one. Lets jump to QOS and one plot point that is left dangling. Guy Haines. A key figure in the British Government who was outed by Bond during the opera. Bond even killed his bodyguard. He was never heard from again. Not referred to in SF or SP. But it is a big deal that a government official would be in Quantum, which in turn would mean SPECTRE.

    What's your theory on Guy Haines and how he was dealt with after the events of QOS?

    The producers dodged a bit of a bullet as an ending was planned where Mr. White died and Haines was also dealt with. Changed at the last minute this allowed producers to bring back Mr. White for SP. But they never did anything with Mr. Haines.

    What happened to him? Was he ever caught and brought to justice?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    It's a good point, Haines was oddly memorable in that film despite maybe not even saying anything(?). It might have been good to bring him back for Spectre to perhaps tie in the Government conspiracy angle a bit more, plus Paul Ritter was a brilliant actor.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Regarding Bond's flat in London versus Jamaica, it makes sense he wouldn't dedicate time and effort to reestablish what was removed and shown to be short-lived. Also there's a conscious difference between the state of pre-retirement and dedicating to retirement at a different location. I know there is for me.


    • Quantum member: But when they find out that they've been duped?
    • Haines (accessing phone): I'm working on that.

    Guy Haines. Not shown to be dealt with on screen in SF, SP, or even NTTD. Likely he disappeared from public service though continuing to influence government contacts, while working for the bad guys.

    Was he offed at the Spectre party in Cuba? That would be fitting.

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  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    This next one is a doozy to explain. Lets see if anyone is up for the challenge?

    In MR Bond and Goodhead discover that Drax and the other Moonrakers are heading to space. They are shocked to see a space station when they get up to space. The space station had docking stations for all the shuttles and is large enough to have multiple floors and space for the crew members.

    What is your theory on how this got built and put into orbit without the authorities knowing? I am guessing this would have taken multiple launches to build and oribit? How was Drax able to do all this?



    Holly says "A whole city in space."

    Bond replies "And no one knows it's here."

    But how did it get out to space without anyone knowing?

    What is your theory on how Drax built, launched and hid the station from the world?
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
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    thedove wrote: »
    This next one is a doozy to explain. Lets see if anyone is up for the challenge?

    In MR Bond and Goodhead discover that Drax and the other Moonrakers are heading to space. They are shocked to see a space station when they get up to space. The space station had docking stations for all the shuttles and is large enough to have multiple floors and space for the crew members.

    What is your theory on how this got built and put into orbit without the authorities knowing? I am guessing this would have taken multiple launches to build and oribit? How was Drax able to do all this?



    Holly says "A whole city in space."

    Bond replies "And no one knows it's here."

    But how did it get out to space without anyone knowing?

    What is your theory on how Drax built, launched and hid the station from the world?

    Considering his enormous influence between different governments, he probably launched it gradually, engineering the finished product in space over months.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    The British and Russians were very busy cleaning up the nuclear fallout after the events of TSWLM.

    Seizing an opportunity, Drax next distracted the French and US governments by creating a customs nightmare of moving the chateau piece by piece to California. No one was even thinking of looking toward the skies.

    Anytime someone got too close, Drax sent Corinne DuFour in a helicopter to "explain" it to them.
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
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    Folks,

    Drax’s space station may be invisible due to some jamming “thingy”, but those shuttle launches could not be. Those solid rocket boosters and external tanks have to come down somewhere and they would have been easy to spot. And once spotted, orbital mathematics would have allowed everyone from governmental agencies to amateur astronomers all around the world to infer the exact orbit that Drax’s station was in and its position in that orbit.

    Plus, how does Drax get the Shuttle orbiters back for re-use? The actual shuttle runway at KSC was about 4,500 meters long and 90 meters wide. Such a structure would have (and still does BTW) stood out like a sore thumb – and again all the world would have seen it due to spy sats.

    I’ve posted about the eye-rolling engineering implausibility of Moonraker on a couple of occasions (see the links below)

    https://www.mi6community.com/discussion/3016/attempting-re-entry-moonraker-appreciation-thread/p18

    https://www.mi6community.com/discussion/comment/1390716#Comment_1390716

    That said, I don’t *hate* Moonraker. In fact, I find it to be the perfect Bond film for a "rainy Sunday afternoon." John Barry’s score, Ken Adam’s set designs (while nowhere near practical) are impressive …. and of course, there is Manuela! :x

    Note: One could level the same criticisms at the villain's lair in many spy films. How do these guys build all of this without anyone asking questions? Where did all the construction workers come from and what happened to them now that the job is completed? What about the heavy construction machinery and materials? Where is all of that coming from without anyone noticing? In a world, where I have to ask permission from the management of my apartment building to allow me to wall-bracket my TV, I can only smile at the silliness of it.

    PS. My response here is - again - why no one invites me to see a movie with them! :))
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
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    thedove wrote: »
    Good stuff! I know see that there are many explanations for the sparse apartment. I still don't think a character like Bond who has some fashion sensibility would live in such a place, but you have all provided me with some theories!

    On to our next one. Lets jump to QOS and one plot point that is left dangling. Guy Haines. A key figure in the British Government who was outed by Bond during the opera. Bond even killed his bodyguard. He was never heard from again. Not referred to in SF or SP. But it is a big deal that a government official would be in Quantum, which in turn would mean SPECTRE.

    What's your theory on Guy Haines and how he was dealt with after the events of QOS?

    The producers dodged a bit of a bullet as an ending was planned where Mr. White died and Haines was also dealt with. Changed at the last minute this allowed producers to bring back Mr. White for SP. But they never did anything with Mr. Haines.

    What happened to him? Was he ever caught and brought to justice?

    He's running 'reform', making plans for nigel
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,277
    thedove wrote: »
    Good stuff! I know see that there are many explanations for the sparse apartment. I still don't think a character like Bond who has some fashion sensibility would live in such a place, but you have all provided me with some theories!

    On to our next one. Lets jump to QOS and one plot point that is left dangling. Guy Haines. A key figure in the British Government who was outed by Bond during the opera. Bond even killed his bodyguard. He was never heard from again. Not referred to in SF or SP. But it is a big deal that a government official would be in Quantum, which in turn would mean SPECTRE.

    What's your theory on Guy Haines and how he was dealt with after the events of QOS?

    The producers dodged a bit of a bullet as an ending was planned where Mr. White died and Haines was also dealt with. Changed at the last minute this allowed producers to bring back Mr. White for SP. But they never did anything with Mr. Haines.

    What happened to him? Was he ever caught and brought to justice?

    He's running 'reform', making plans for nigel

    Maybe he IS Nigel, after a DNA replacement 🤔.
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    mtm wrote: »
    Doesn't he specifically say that he hasn't just moved in? I don't think he cares much; he's barely ever there.
    The funny thing is that when we see his house in NTTD, it's all quite tastefully decorated with lots of designer furniture, pictures on the walls etc. Maybe when he actually spends time somewhere he cares more.

    It’s actually Q’s flat in NTTD not Bonds

  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    mtm wrote: »
    Doesn't he specifically say that he hasn't just moved in? I don't think he cares much; he's barely ever there.
    The funny thing is that when we see his house in NTTD, it's all quite tastefully decorated with lots of designer furniture, pictures on the walls etc. Maybe when he actually spends time somewhere he cares more.

    It’s actually Q’s flat in NTTD not Bonds

    I think @mtm was referring to Bonds house in Jamaica in NTTD @Scaramanga1974
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
    Posts: 480
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    thedove wrote: »
    Good stuff! I know see that there are many explanations for the sparse apartment. I still don't think a character like Bond who has some fashion sensibility would live in such a place, but you have all provided me with some theories!

    On to our next one. Lets jump to QOS and one plot point that is left dangling. Guy Haines. A key figure in the British Government who was outed by Bond during the opera. Bond even killed his bodyguard. He was never heard from again. Not referred to in SF or SP. But it is a big deal that a government official would be in Quantum, which in turn would mean SPECTRE.

    What's your theory on Guy Haines and how he was dealt with after the events of QOS?

    The producers dodged a bit of a bullet as an ending was planned where Mr. White died and Haines was also dealt with. Changed at the last minute this allowed producers to bring back Mr. White for SP. But they never did anything with Mr. Haines.

    What happened to him? Was he ever caught and brought to justice?

    He's running 'reform', making plans for nigel

    Maybe he IS Nigel, after a DNA replacement 🤔.

    Better. Yes.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Since some of Drax' equipment such as the laser pistols and radar jammer used parts seen in Star Wars, you could probably make the argument that he concealed his operation using technology from a galaxy far far away...
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    Dwayne wrote: »
    Folks,

    Drax’s space station may be invisible due to some jamming “thingy”, but those shuttle launches could not be. Those solid rocket boosters and external tanks have to come down somewhere and they would have been easy to spot. And once spotted, orbital mathematics would have allowed everyone from governmental agencies to amateur astronomers all around the world to infer the exact orbit that Drax’s station was in and its position in that orbit.

    Plus, how does Drax get the Shuttle orbiters back for re-use? The actual shuttle runway at KSC was about 4,500 meters long and 90 meters wide. Such a structure would have (and still does BTW) stood out like a sore thumb – and again all the world would have seen it due to spy sats.

    I’ve posted about the eye-rolling engineering implausibility of Moonraker on a couple of occasions (see the links below)

    https://www.mi6community.com/discussion/3016/attempting-re-entry-moonraker-appreciation-thread/p18

    https://www.mi6community.com/discussion/comment/1390716#Comment_1390716

    That said, I don’t *hate* Moonraker. In fact, I find it to be the perfect Bond film for a "rainy Sunday afternoon." John Barry’s score, Ken Adam’s set designs (while nowhere near practical) are impressive …. and of course, there is Manuela! :x

    Note: One could level the same criticisms at the villain's lair in many spy films. How do these guys build all of this without anyone asking questions? Where did all the construction workers come from and what happened to them now that the job is completed? What about the heavy construction machinery and materials? Where is all of that coming from without anyone noticing? In a world, where I have to ask permission from the management of my apartment building to allow me to wall-bracket my TV, I can only smile at the silliness of it.

    PS. My response here is - again - why no one invites me to see a movie with them! :))

    This. That was one of my biggest beef with MR. How can you hide something that big ? Impossible.
    Since some of Drax' equipment such as the laser pistols and radar jammer used parts seen in Star Wars, you could probably make the argument that he concealed his operation using technology from a galaxy far far away...

    Well, most of the weapons in the original trilogy are derived from Earth weapons circa WW II, so maybe it was an exchange program.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Thanks @Dwayne for that brilliant post. Yes we must park our minds and brains for MR. You wrote things I hadn't even considered. I was laughing and also finding it insightful.

    Now I am thinking just how did SPECTRE get that volcano hollowed out and a lair constructed? Who transported the piranha fish? I suppose Osato would have lent his men and technology but that would still be noticeable.
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
    Posts: 480
    Dwayne wrote: »
    Folks,

    Drax’s space station may be invisible due to some jamming “thingy”, but those shuttle launches could not be. Those solid rocket boosters and external tanks have to come down somewhere and they would have been easy to spot. And once spotted, orbital mathematics would have allowed everyone from governmental agencies to amateur astronomers all around the world to infer the exact orbit that Drax’s station was in and its position in that orbit.

    Plus, how does Drax get the Shuttle orbiters back for re-use? The actual shuttle runway at KSC was about 4,500 meters long and 90 meters wide. Such a structure would have (and still does BTW) stood out like a sore thumb – and again all the world would have seen it due to spy sats.

    I’ve posted about the eye-rolling engineering implausibility of Moonraker on a couple of occasions (see the links below)

    https://www.mi6community.com/discussion/3016/attempting-re-entry-moonraker-appreciation-thread/p18

    https://www.mi6community.com/discussion/comment/1390716#Comment_1390716

    That said, I don’t *hate* Moonraker. In fact, I find it to be the perfect Bond film for a "rainy Sunday afternoon." John Barry’s score, Ken Adam’s set designs (while nowhere near practical) are impressive …. and of course, there is Manuela! :x

    Note: One could level the same criticisms at the villain's lair in many spy films. How do these guys build all of this without anyone asking questions? Where did all the construction workers come from and what happened to them now that the job is completed? What about the heavy construction machinery and materials? Where is all of that coming from without anyone noticing? In a world, where I have to ask permission from the management of my apartment building to allow me to wall-bracket my TV, I can only smile at the silliness of it.

    PS. My response here is - again - why no one invites me to see a movie with them! :))

    Because Drax has massive governmental influence, they'd probably know his space station is up there but think it's something else.

    A giant laser for laundering money or something. 1979 was the first miserly term of thatcherite shite, so it's possible he told her it was supporting apartheid and she should shut her craw.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Love some of the theories here. MR is really a leave your brain in neutral as it doesn't really have much logic to it. To think this movie was inspired by Star Wars. WOW!

    Okay lets move forward a few decades. QOS again. A terrific dog fight in the air is followed up by a free fall for Bond and Camille.

    They fall and seemingly are almost about to be smushed when Bond pulls the chute that only Camille is wearing but Bond is holding and they both live? No broken bones, no concussions, nothing.



    I remember on my first viewing saying "How?". That question has remained over the years.

    What is your theory on how Bond and Camille survive the free fall without a scratch?
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    They fell down à natural chimney, which added just enough distance to break their fall. Yes, quite lucky, that.
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