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In TB it was kind of slimy of him pushing himself on Patricia, but in GF Pussy could have stopped him any time with another simple Judo move- she was playing with him.
Mabey it is good Bond don't have sex with Nomi in NTTD, but mabey it wil work better with a between Bond girl. Rosie carver was close. Eve was a co-worker and shaving scene was moost sexy, but again possible of screen have done more.
Daniel Craig/P&W proof self spot with naked Bond look a like in QOS (as comment on Bond monkey behaviour in CR at parkour chase) and when Bond half naked open door for Mathis is done for humor.
More problem with stairs fight in CR (inspecialy with first view in cinema), the death body's at start in SF be good alternate.
Sexy Intelligence Bond girls in my opnion be Melina, Kara, Triple X, Camile and mabey also Fields and Paloma whyle it more because of Gemma/Ana. Daniel Craig Bond girl taste for Vesper and Madeleine i don't see it.
I don't think it comes across like that: he literally forces himself down on her as she fights back and tries to writhe away from him.
Is forcing himself onto Patricia in TB any different though?
Okay, maybe you just aren't fluent in martial arts. From the position she was in she could have easily rocked his socks & continued the fight. "I'm immune", remember? He just passed her test is all.
This is not an okay to act like Bond with ordinary women! He was involved with a professional thief and a trained martial artist. Two pros playing in the hay...
I wonder how many boys who grew up watching Bond films thought it was a good idea to just kiss a girl they liked, and if they were pushed away, do it again because that always works for 007. ;-)
Both scenes are very unpleasant.
Somehow I doubt the filmmakers were ‘fluent in martial arts’ either. What they were depicting clearly isn’t a woman playing along playfully. And if you encounter a woman squirming as you grip her, she’s not playing along either.
Being a Bond fan doesn't entail blindly defending everything in the series. Some of the scenes in the early films are definitely very problematic, and we should acknowledge that.
Acknowledge sure. Put today's values on them and either censor or edit them or worse stop showing them would be wrong. In some cases they can spark a conversation and stand as a testament to how far we have come.
Sadly Bond movies weren't the only ones to show a man dominating a female and her succumbing to it. I am of an age where the nudge nudge wink wink was no didn't always mean no.
No, they don't kill people because he does (people always say that but it's very silly: audience members aren't idiots).
I don't think you've quite understood what I said.
https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/crime/sheffield-man-named-james-bond-triggers-armed-response-after-carrying-bb-gun-into-busy-office-building-4110554
@CrabKey
Maybe I am, indeed, assuming too much influence from the Bonds on real life. Nevertheless, I have to confess that I have witnessed some rather embarrassing attempts at recreating the "Bond goes for the tongue until she likes it scene" within my circle of friends when we were a lot younger. And while a few isolated, personal experiences prove nothing, they have made me wonder about exactly how far some of this can go. Still, I am not disagreeing with you. This is most likely not worthy of closer examination. It was merely a thought... 😉
I said that's how it does work. I imagine that's where your confusion lies.
And I said that how Dimi described it is how it does work.
Don't ever change.
Bond without sex is like Star Wars without lightsabers.
Opps, too much alcohol. :P
Returning to the film, DarthDimi makes a good point that the scene might have led younger male viewers to imitate it. True, though there was a good chance they'd have already absorbed the message from plenty of other films and the surrounding culture. And fans who couldn't tell the films were fantasy were quickly disabused by reality of the notion that they could be Bond, or even Sean Connery. I've read several remarks from older Bond fans about how they discovered the hard way that attracting women turned out to be far more difficult than in the movies. Such is the danger of fantasy set in the "real" world.
Richard Maibaum wrote somewhere that Fiona's remarks in TB--"James Bond, who only has to make love to a women and she stars to hear heavenly choirs singing. She repents, then immediately returns to the side of right and virtue"--were a direct response to criticism that Pussy's "conversion" in GF happened too easily. So one could argue that GF's screenwriter himself acknowledged that the barn scene didn't work. It played the fantasy as a violent joke. I think the scene would worked better if we already had subtle hints of Pussy being attracted to Bond and if the kiss had come about as the natural result of Bond and Pussy romping in the hay and having increasingly erotic bodily contact. After all, if the character is the ultimate male fantasy then he wouldn't have needed to force a kiss. That's what makes the barn scene in GF and Patricia scenes in TB especially jarring--they're unneccesary.
Wow, nice post!