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The James Bond Debate Thread - 336 Craig looks positively younger in SP than he does in SF.

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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Actually, I meant for CR67 to be taken as competition, which it was at the time. ;-)
  • GetafixGetafix
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    Oh right. Well, perhaps. I think the difference in tone though between an uber serious CR67 and the slightly campy YOLT would still have been so great however, that the EON series would have continued regardless. I suspect EON's film would still have been more popular any way - they had Sean at that point. Perhaps if they'd cast Roger in Casino, that might have changed things!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Wow, calm down there, sir. You're pulling a twisted inception on me here. ;-) Roger Moore in CR67... Imagine that. Truly, what a thought. In hindsight, yes, that would be an interesting conflict: the battle of the Bonds, with both of the actors in their prime... It's messing with my head, but I like the idea, @Getafix. :-)
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited May 2012 Posts: 11,425
    I actually prefer the slightly older Rog. He looks a bit too slimey in his early days! I actually think Sean would have whipped a '67 vintage Moore's a***! Although it would have been fun to watch.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    Absolutely. If those involved with the production, played it straight, who knows what impact it might have had.
  • bondbat007bondbat007
    edited May 2012 Posts: 1,407
    If it had Connery, then yes. But two seriously Bond films in one year and one without Connery? I think YOLT would still come out on top. It's not like 1983 when you had two established popular Bonds. It would of been Connery vs somebody else who never played the part. So disagree
  • VirageVirage
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    Heck yes! A good CR67 may have been the iceberg to Eon's Titanic.
  • MrEonMrEon
    edited May 2012 Posts: 278
    Fortunately for Eon, the people involved in making CR67 where a mixed bag, lead by Charles K Feldman who was not at all in control of the movie!! Unlike Eon and Cubby/Harry who ran the whole Bond show tightly and in keeping with what they had created with all the key players around them!!!
    How many Directors did CR67 have, 4 was it...Crazy, and that along with the cast who on paper where great actors etc, just misplaced and in a floating orgy of a film!? But it exists and cant be ignored, not even by true Bond fans. Its worth it alone for the song "Look Of Love", best (Non Bond) song there's been..... :-B

    Eon where not concerned with CR67 being a hit or competition, because insiders at the time were telling them its a comedy more than a serious action adventure! And that certainly turned out to be the case.
  • VirageVirage
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    MrEon wrote:
    How many Directors did CR67 have, 4 was it..
    Six:

    Ken Hughes
    John Huston
    Joseph McGrath
    Robert Parrish
    Val Guest
    Richard Talmadge (uncredited)
  • MrEonMrEon
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    Virage wrote:
    MrEon wrote:
    How many Directors did CR67 have, 4 was it..
    Six:

    Ken Hughes
    John Huston
    Joseph McGrath
    Robert Parrish
    Val Guest
    Richard Talmadge (uncredited)

    ....And that says it all really...! :-B

    Thanks for the info "Virage"!
  • barryt007barryt007
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    No ...Bond fever and Connery were at their peak world wide,and YOLT was heading for Japan so the craze was even more so.
    CR'67 shouldnt even be mentioned alongside Bond ,no matter how good it apparantly might have been.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    Maybe. But the films back then that were big and OTT made alot of money and people loved them, so maybe not.
  • JBFan626JBFan626
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 102</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>A serious, hard-edged CR67 might have damaged the EON series more than the spoof.</b></font>

    Personally, I would have loved a Bond face-off in 1967. If we could get one more serious Bond film, EON or not, I would love that. @bondbat007 brings up a good point, that in 1967 introducing an unestablished Bond wouldn't go over well. But this certainly would not damage EON. People would simply favor Connery and see that he was the real deal.

    Agree with thesis.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    Agree, but the world back then was a different place! And by then you knew what you were getting with Bond. But with the ongoing production of the film being a disaster? The opportunity had gone.
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 102</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>A serious, hard-edged CR67 might have damaged the EON series more than the spoof.</b></font>

    Agree. Interesting that Frank Sinatra was offered the role of Bond in it. Since Columbia made both CR67 and the Matt Helm series, would Dean Martin have made a cameo in it as the swingin' 60s superspy/photographer?

  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    That could well be right, above all else CR 67 is something I generally fail to recognize, I know it's only a silly spoof thing and not to be taken seriously but it's as far detached from Bond for me as you can imagine, NSNA 83 is also unofficial but a hundred times more enjoyable. I like CR the way it is, just harmless nonsense and if they had tried to go serious with it there may have been some implications for the series, I don't know, and we can never say for sure, as it never took that direction, but I was thinking, maybe damage is too strong a word, but it's not something I would have ever wanted to have seen, Thesis seems correct
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited May 2012 Posts: 5,958
    I don't think CR '67 was what hurt the series; what hurt it were the films (Matt Helm, The Ipcress File) and TV shows (The Man from U.N.C.L.E., I Spy) that had already flooded the marketplace before 1967. In a way, the CR spoof was the logical endpoint of '60s spy mania. There was nowhere for the spy concept left to go except toward the deeply weird, which also gave us the amazing The Prisoner.

    Disagree.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    @echo, the thesis wasn't that CR67 as we got it hurt the series, rather that a different, more toned-down and toucher CR might have. ;-)
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Oops...I kind of doubt that as well. It remained to be seen in 1967 if the public would accept a basically serious Bond other than Connery. Lazenby, whatever his acting limitations, did make it palatable for the next actor to take over successfully from Connery.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 103</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>John Williams could have composed a powerful Bond score back in the 70s and 80s.</b></font>
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 103</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>John Williams could have composed a powerful Bond score back in the 70s and 80s.</b></font>

    Absolutely agree. A John Williams Bond score would've been terrific.

  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,459
    Agree, Williams was a talented composer.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited May 2012 Posts: 13,350
    It's a pity that he must have been in such high demand at the time, Cubby couldn't get hold of him when Barry wasn't available as he would have done a fantastic job, if only for one film.
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
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    He would done a lot better job with TSWLM. Otherwise, I'm quite content with John Barry.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Agree.

    I wonder if his asking price after Star Wars would have been too high for Eon.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
    Posts: 5,745
    echo wrote:
    Agree.

    I wonder if his asking price after Star Wars would have been too high for Eon.

    'Everything or Nothing' They better live by that motto.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    4EverBonded wrote:
    Agree, Williams was a talented composer.

    He's still working!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    echo wrote:
    4EverBonded wrote:
    Agree, Williams was a talented composer.

    He's still working!

    But I doubt he could still invest the energy he had 30 years ago. ;-) He's still an excellent composer though.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited May 2012 Posts: 12,459
    DarthDimi wrote:
    echo wrote:
    4EverBonded wrote:
    Agree, Williams was a talented composer.

    He's still working!

    But I doubt he could still invest the energy he had 30 years ago. ;-) He's still an excellent composer though.

    Yes, I should have said "is" though. Sorry, Mr. Williams! X_X
  • 00130013
    Posts: 1,817
    Absolutely! He's one of the greatest music composers of the 20th Century (not only of film music). However I don't want to see a Barry score replaced... so as long as he scores TSWLM, FYEO, LTK, I'm ok with it!
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