Cary Joji Fukunaga - Appreciation Thread

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  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Folks, just STOP with the Martin Campbell talk. Seriously. He is not directing another Bond film.
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    TripAces wrote: »
    Folks, just STOP with the Martin Campbell talk. Seriously. He is not directing another Bond film.

    Why is this so upsetting to you?
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    At least Martin Campbell isn’t a creep.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    If that's true, what's the point of him calling Connery's Bond a rapist?
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    Calling Bond a rapist is the exact red flag Fukunaga is a narcissistic pervert and a manipulator. What these people do is pick on stuff and twist it, bend it, presenting for something other than what it is, and I think due to the urgency of finding a new director, he used some of that stuff to get the Bond job.

    If you watch closely the first four Connery Bonds, his not a rapist at any time, and in fact, from the get go in Dr. No, he encounters Sylvia Trench who is what you might call the rapist, as she breaks into his house, put one of his shirts on, and force him into sex.

    That's it's first sexual encounter in the series, and a woman instigate it.

    Now, in TB, remember he beds Fiona Volpe, and sometime later, she capture him and gives him a good earful when he tries to convince her he did for Queen and country (which you know is wrong, he really enjoyed it). She also breaks into his room to get him.

    In YOLT, he is raped by Helga Brandt after having been tied up to a chair. Some rapist!

    Now, remains Goldfinger and the infamous barn scene. One can't say he rapes Pussy, because a) They put Bond opposite the manliest woman in the world then, she just had spent two seasons of The Avengers bashing men into oblivion, she's Bond equal from the get go b) From the moment she appears, she and Bond have interplay where she clearly says one thing "I'm immune, not attracted" while her body language and interest in him says another which is a game SHE instigate and that Bond hops happily in c) by the time they get to the barn, they have a fight and she throws him on the floor before Bond "force" himself onto her which is just an extension of the SM relationships she clearly enjoy. It might be frowned upon but it's very Flemingian, and again, Bond never at any point has the upper hand, he just gets into the play game until what he wants happens.

    Back to Fukunaga, his take on the series (not having seen OHMSS etc.) might have seem refreshing doubled with his talks, but as with all narcissistic perverts, I'm sure after a point his game his exposed to people around him, and they rather work with someone else on the next project.

    Playing it safe would be bringing back Campbell indeed.
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    Fugunaka seems like a real creep but I don’t know why fans get so offended over criticism of the old films. We can admit the GF barn scene has aged badly. It’s not the end of the world.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    Campbell's 79 this year, though. If they don't even have a script yet then, realistically, he could be over 80 before they start shooting. Seems a big ask, tbf.


    Clint Eastwood is 92 and is still directing

    Exactly. That's it. Campbell must have at least crossed Barbara's mind for Bond 26, she knows what GE & CR did for the franchise.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Stamper wrote: »
    Now, remains Goldfinger and the infamous barn scene. One can't say he rapes Pussy, because a) They put Bond opposite the manliest woman in the world then, she just had spent two seasons of The Avengers bashing men into oblivion, she's Bond equal from the get go

    That she’s a strong woman is not a reason to force oneself upon her.
    Stamper wrote: »
    b) From the moment she appears, she and Bond have interplay where she clearly says one thing "I'm immune, not attracted" while her body language and interest in him says another which is a game SHE instigate and that Bond hops happily in

    If they say no, it means no. And when he’s forcing his kisses on her, her body language clearly says that she doesn’t want it, in that she’s actually struggling.
    Stamper wrote: »
    c) by the time they get to the barn, they have a fight and she throws him on the floor before Bond "force" himself onto her which is just an extension of the SM relationships she clearly enjoy. It might be frowned upon but it's very Flemingian, and again, Bond never at any point has the upper hand, he just gets into the play game until what he wants happens.

    ‘Being Flemingian’ isn’t a defence against the observation that it’s very creepy though.
    I’ve no idea how you’ve decided she likes SM. I love Bond films, but this bit doesn’t date well and I don’t defend it.
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    I still want Gareth Evans to direct, I reckon could deliver everything fans want from Campbell’s return, but better. They’d probably be better off with PWB coming back to write it though, his dialogue can be a bit cliche.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Clint might be 92, but he isn't directing anything on the scale of Bond, is he? I imagine directing a Bond is quite draining even for a younger man, having to oversee this massive machine, with multiple units working at the same time all over the world.

    Like @thelivingroyale above, Gareth Evens is my choice. I see a Gareth Evans directed Bond pulling away from the melodrama that became to fixated on in the Craig era (a little drama is fine, just reign it in), and putting more emphasis on water cooler action sequences, that are done for real which would be talked about for years. When was the last time we had that? The parkour sequence in CR?
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    My issue with Evans is that his films are made up of heavily choreographed fights. I rate him highly as a director but during the last two films of the Craig era we started to get a lot of this - Bond becoming oddly superhuman, taking down four guards at a time without any effort, throwing trays and taking out opponents, taking out a whole base of henchmen etc. The parkour chase has shades of these moments (Bond catching the gun while on top of the crane, quick drawing/blowing up the embassy) but the whole point of that sequence is that Bond is slower than his opponent and he takes a few tumbles. There's a more grounded approach to that scene that I don't think Evans would give us. If anything what we would get from him might be more akin to how Bond fights in NTTD and SP. Even a less drama orientated film from him is debatable as he won't, in all likelihood, be the only one writing it.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    I get the appeal for longstanding fans and I do like the symmetry of Campbell ushering in a trilogy of Bond debuts. But surely one thing EON will want from NewBond is the ability to attract a younger audience - people who see the new guy as their Bond and who want to follow him through a series of films spanning several years. Campbell may well be up to it, I dunno, but could they really launch a new era with the tacit premise of 'this is not your dad's James Bond' if the movie's directed by an Octogenarian? Have to say, I'm doubtful.
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    SM doesn't mean always someone tied up etc. It's a game of domination vs submission, and in the Pussy Galore / 007 relationship, she clearly pushes him on the edge into submission until she realizes he has "guts" then she let him get his reward. She is in control all the time.
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    As much as I'd love this world to experience as many Martin Campbell 007 films as possible, it won't be him.

    Denis is tied up on Dune. Nolan's tied up on Oppenheimer (although they could theoretically wait for him).

    I suspect the B26 director will end up being a new 'name' on the rise, who can bring something unique that aligns with (presumably) the fairly significant refresh of the franchise they'll be aiming to achieve.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    AgentM72 wrote: »
    As much as I'd love this world to experience as many Martin Campbell 007 films as possible, it won't be him.

    Denis is tied up on Dune. Nolan's tied up on Oppenheimer (although they could theoretically wait for him).

    I suspect the B26 director will end up being a new 'name' on the rise, who can bring something unique that aligns with (presumably) the fairly significant refresh of the franchise they'll be aiming to achieve.

    Possibly Edgar Wright, he's free, never heard any new projects from him this time.
    Well, his last one was the Last Night In Soho, but a new one? Haven't heard of any.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I'm not actually all that convinced by Edgar Wright; his films generally only reach the level of 'fine' for me. I don't think he's made a properly good film where everything works since Shaun.
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    I'm not even sure if Bond needs a celebrity 'auteur' director. Even Mendes and Fukanaga are a bit more chameleonic in their work and their films are certainly not as immediately distinctive to their name as Nolan's or Wright's are.

    It's the same problem with Tarantino directing a Bond film - he wouldn't strive to make a good Bond film but a great Tarantino film. It'd have shades of brilliance but overall it'd probably end up being a mess. I suspect it would have been the situation had Boyle gone ahead with his proposed Bond 25.

    Now, this doesn't mean we should go for a John Glen type (I've talked about this on another thread but I don't think all of his directorial decisions were effective and the standard has improved since his tenure) but someone who can balance creativity/a willingness to do something new with a craftsman-like approach to how it should be done. Nolan does not fit this category and he infamously has a very sloppy, untechnical approach to things like sound design in his films (Tenet being the most obvious culprit). He'd probably have the same problem that Boyle did and butt heads with the producers/others on the production over the creative vision of the film.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Whether or not Campbell should direct a third film aside, his age should not be an issue; he is incredibly physically fit and mentally sharp.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Perhaps they will also look at showrunners and TV directors who are breaking new ground with shows such as Succession; they're efficient and their series have deep layers, artistry, tone, tension and suspense, great character work.

    Team them up with a great second unit to keep the over all tone consistent and we could have tighter budget Bond films, made with workan-like efficiency, without losing action, story and character...
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    peter wrote: »
    Perhaps they will also look at showrunners and TV directors who are breaking new ground with shows such as Succession; they're efficient and their series have deep layers, artistry, tone, tension and suspense, great character work.

    Team them up with a great second unit to keep the over all tone consistent and we could have tighter budget Bond films, made with workan-like efficiency, without losing action, story and character...

    This is exactly the sort of thing I'd be interested in seeing. There's plenty of talent out there and I'd love to be surprised by the next directorial hiring.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Folks, just STOP with the Martin Campbell talk. Seriously. He is not directing another Bond film.

    Why is this so upsetting to you?

    It isn't. It's humorous.
    At least Martin Campbell isn’t a creep.

    He's also not a very good movie director.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    peter wrote: »
    Perhaps they will also look at showrunners and TV directors who are breaking new ground with shows such as Succession; they're efficient and their series have deep layers, artistry, tone, tension and suspense, great character work.

    I guess that pretty much is Fukunaga's origin too.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    TripAces wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Folks, just STOP with the Martin Campbell talk. Seriously. He is not directing another Bond film.

    Why is this so upsetting to you?

    It isn't. It's humorous.
    At least Martin Campbell isn’t a creep.

    He's also not a very good movie director.

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  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    peter wrote: »
    Perhaps they will also look at showrunners and TV directors who are breaking new ground with shows such as Succession; they're efficient and their series have deep layers, artistry, tone, tension and suspense, great character work.

    Team them up with a great second unit to keep the over all tone consistent and we could have tighter budget Bond films, made with workan-like efficiency, without losing action, story and character...

    Wouldn't mind seeing Mohamed Diab take a crack. He most recently worked with some of the NTTD stunt team on Moon Knight.
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    peter wrote: »
    Perhaps they will also look at showrunners and TV directors who are breaking new ground with shows such as Succession; they're efficient and their series have deep layers, artistry, tone, tension and suspense, great character work.

    Team them up with a great second unit to keep the over all tone consistent and we could have tighter budget Bond films, made with workan-like efficiency, without losing action, story and character...

    Jesse Armstrong writing one could be very, very good. And I can remember a Bond nod in Succession, and a couple in Peep Show, so maybe he’s a fan.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    I still think Yann Demange might still have a shot. He hasn’t been busy lately it seems.

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1312919/

    Speaking of creepy fetishes with Bond, Purvis and Wade are both that with Bond leaving MI6. If only they would leave EON that way.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    How is that a creepy fetish?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Speaking of Bond nods, the perfection that is Mr. Inbetween and one of the few minute sequences involving a discussion of the Bond actors has me eager to see Scott Ryan attached to a Bond film in any capacity.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited May 2022 Posts: 4,554
    peter wrote: »
    Perhaps they will also look at showrunners and TV directors who are breaking new ground with shows such as Succession; they're efficient and their series have deep layers, artistry, tone, tension and suspense, great character work.

    Team them up with a great second unit to keep the over all tone consistent and we could have tighter budget Bond films, made with workan-like efficiency, without losing action, story and character...

    Jesse Armstrong writing one could be very, very good. And I can remember a Bond nod in Succession, and a couple in Peep Show, so maybe he’s a fan.

    I'd love to see Alex Garland have a crack at writing/directing. But isn't there a separate thread for this sort of discussion? ;)
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